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a search for evon hirst, harvey owen, wilf henderson and hugo morris and they were believed to be travelling up from the shrewsbury area —— jevon travelling up from the shrewsbury area ——jevon hirst, harvey owen, wilf henderson and hugo morris. it wilf henderson and hugo morris. it is a very close—knit community, one of the welsh speaking heartland is here, we have seen a response and reaction coming in from the local community. many appeals on facebook and people helping with those searches. in the distance, you can see the police cordon. it is worth noting some of the events when we look back to the early morning and last night, that is when the concern was raised by north wales police about the whereabouts ofjevon hirst, harvey owen, wilf henderson and hugo morris and we were later alerted around lunchtime following further searches that north wales police had found a ford fiesta, that they had been travelling in, and throughout the afternoon police have been coming and going and carrying on with those operations. we understand that the four boys who are from the shrewsbury area had come here over the weekend to enjoy camping, this is a popular thing to do in this part of the country and as north wales police referred to a tragic outcome from what was meant to be a very happy weekend for these four young individuals. when we talk about the community reaction and how people are feeling about this tragic incident, it is worth looking at a statement which has come from the boys former schools in the shrewsbury area and they have described them as being very kind, known by the school community and that thoughts and prayers are with them. shrewsbury college released a statement in the last half an hour to say that the thoughts of the couege to say that the thoughts of the college with the family and friends of the teenagers affected here. when i talk about the location, it is worth saying that in the past few days we have experienced some harsh weather, especially where their phones were pinged yesterday. we have had significant rainfall in the past few days and that has left grave concerns with everyone. north wales police — grave concerns with everyone. north wales police have _ grave concerns with everyone. north wales police have said _ grave concerns with everyone. north wales police have said banned - grave concerns with everyone. north wales police have said banned bodies have been recovered from a car which appears to left the road —— four bodies. this is after a search for jevon hirst, harvey owen, wilf henderson and hugo morris believed to be from the shrewsbury area. you are watching bbc news. the covid inquiry has been taking place. it has just finished inquiry has been taking place. it hasjust finished for inquiry has been taking place. it has just finished for the day. we have heard from professor chris whitty. this afternoon, he said there was a failure to understand about the exponential growth of the virus, that was in response to a question from hugo keith who was questioning the plans of the government to slow down the spread of the transmission of the virus. chris whitty said there was a recognition of the significant threat by ministers but added that before the pandemic many people did not understand the idea of exponential growth. the chief medical officer went on to say he was doing his best to get the government to understand what exponential growth was and how that affected the transmission of the virus. the discussion also touched on outdoor mass gatherings and sporting events which chris whitty said were not initially seen as significant factors in transmitting the virus and you may remember in march 2020 the cheltenham festival was allowed to take place. during questioning this afternoon, chris whitty said the messaging was not as helpful as it could have been looking back on the incident with hindsight. he said the public, seeing mass gatherings, signal to them that the government cannot be that worried and it cannot have been that worried and it cannot have been that good despite the limited impact. and during extensive questioning, he will be giving more evidence at a later date. he said that although the uk had no existing pandemic strategy to deal with covid, he said a plan may not have helped and that possibly even hindered tackling the virus. if there had been a plan and i'm going to cause upset to some of my planning colleagues, but i will do it anyway, a plan that was laid out, this is how the playbook should run, it would almost certainly have been the wrong plan and could have even slowed us down because we have spent ages arguing as to whether this was the right plan, though sometimes it is easier to start with a new plan but what we needed was the building blocks. in my view we had some of the building blocks, intellectually and practically, but we did not have all of them and they were constructed in many cases in quite a rush, really, in february and early march. , ~ , rush, really, in february and early march. , . , ., , rush, really, in february and early march. , . , ., march. chris whitty was also asked about the comparison _ march. chris whitty was also asked about the comparison between - march. chris whitty was also asked about the comparison between the| about the comparison between the government reaction to working with mis government reaction to working with mi5 about potential terror attacks versus the uk health security agency dealing with the health situation of the scale of the pandemic. three departments _ the scale of the pandemic. three departments operating _ the scale of the pandemic. three departments operating across i departments operating across government where government needs to do something and number ten obviously, treasury and cabinet office, and my view is this should have led to them saying, this is no longer your problem, health, this is our problem, this is a huge problem for the system. this will come into the centre because the sensor can then assess this and this is not to say there were not excellent people in the cabinet office and so on already on this, and it was not that there was no interest in this from individuals within cabinet office and so on, but it had not in my view been seized in the way that a similar kind of level of existential threat would have been from another direction. there are a variety of ways that this could be done and is dangerous of me to start doing the job of a cabinet secretary because i'm clearly not, but what i do think we need to do is think through how do we get this very quickly into the centre so that it is able to take the necessary steps.— centre so that it is able to take the necessary steps. hugo keith, the lead counsel— the necessary steps. hugo keith, the lead counsel for _ the necessary steps. hugo keith, the lead counsel for the _ the necessary steps. hugo keith, the lead counsel for the inquiry, - the necessary steps. hugo keith, the lead counsel for the inquiry, asked i lead counsel for the inquiry, asked chris whitty about the burden placed on him and sir patrick vallance to relate vast amounts of information to the government in what he called site meetings. in a to the government in what he called site meetings-— site meetings. in a fast moving pandemic. _ site meetings. in a fast moving pandemic. the _ site meetings. in a fast moving pandemic, the principal- site meetings. in a fast moving pandemic, the principal aim - site meetings. in a fast moving pandemic, the principal aim is| site meetings. in a fast moving i pandemic, the principal aim is to site meetings. in a fast moving - pandemic, the principal aim is to be accurate and fast, and i think that the big advantage we had, and i would like to pay tribute to sir patrick because i think it was extraordinary, having both of us men if one of us had inadvertently relayed information that was misunderstood, and this did happen, there was another person to say, however, i would like to clarify the following points... so that mechanism of having two people who are relatively wide—ranging scientists able to check each other�*s recollection and onward relay, i think that provided some degree of innocence error prevention in the transmission of the information —— some degree of error prevention. there might be better ways you can do it and it would be more convenient to a subsequent inquiry but that was not the principal aim at the time. that was professor sir _ principal aim at the time. that was professor sir chris _ principal aim at the time. that was professor sir chris whitty - principal aim at the time. that was professor sir chris whitty and - principal aim at the time. that was professor sir chris whitty and they | professor sir chris whitty and they will be continuing coverage of the covid inquiry tomorrow and you can read the comments passed on the website today. king charles is hosting his first state visit since his coronation. the president and first lady of south korea have begun a three day trip to the uk — with trade and investment expected to be a key focus. north korea has also said it has launched a spy satellite and south korea has confirmed that. we will follow those developments. our correspondent is outside buckingham palace. bring us up to speed as to what has happened today. it palace. bring us up to speed as to what has happened today.- palace. bring us up to speed as to what has happened today. it has been the red carpet — what has happened today. it has been the red carpet royal _ what has happened today. it has been the red carpet royal roll-out - what has happened today. it has been the red carpet royal roll-out for - the red carpet royal roll—out for the red carpet royal roll—out for the president of south korea and the first lady, and it began this morning just up the road from here at buckingham palace with the official ceremonial welcome from the king and queen. and rishi sunak the prime minister was there as well and was was david cameron in his new role as foreign secretary. he was actually prime minister the last time there was a state visit by a south korean president, ten years ago. there was then a carriage procession to buckingham palace which the prince and princess of wales took part in as well as the king and queen and they had a private lunch inside buckingham palace and we were then told they were shown some items from the royal collection that related to career. more of a poignant afternoon —— korea. the south korean president laid a wreath at the korean war memorial which marks the 70th anniversary of the end of the korean war and they went on to westminster abbey where they laid another wreath at the tomb of the unknown warrior. very much a poignant afternoon for the couple. they then made their way to westminster and they are addressing members of both houses of parliament at westminster but as you mentioned at the start, the main event is here at buckingham palace, later this evening, and there will be a state banquet in honour of the president and first lady. the king and queen will be there and around 170 guests who have been invited for the event which will be white tie and tiara. we do not have the menu yet. a lot of people look out for what the menu will be at a state banquet. we will bring you that when we get it but we have been sold there is a i9th—century dinner service that is being used and that the tables have been laid with military precision, so much so that they are 46 centimetres apart, the plates. hate they are 46 centimetres apart, the lates. ~ ., ., ., they are 46 centimetres apart, the lates.~ ., ., ., , ,, they are 46 centimetres apart, the lates.~ ., ., .,, ,, , plates. we now have a press up followin: plates. we now have a press up following the — plates. we now have a press up following the announcement - plates. we now have a press upl following the announcement that banned bodies have been recovered for the men who were missing. —— four bodies. for the men who were missing. -- four bodies-— four bodies. they travelled with lans to four bodies. they travelled with plans to camp _ four bodies. they travelled with plans to camp in _ four bodies. they travelled with plans to camp in the _ four bodies. they travelled with plans to camp in the area - four bodies. they travelled with plans to camp in the area on . four bodies. they travelled with - plans to camp in the area on sunday. a large search was undertaken over night and that continued into this morning. shortly afterten night and that continued into this morning. shortly after ten this morning. shortly after ten this morning a member of the public contacted us reporting a vehicle having left the road. police officers identified a ford fiesta vehicle upside down, partially submerged in water. tragically, the bodies of four young men were recovered from within the vehicle. the families of the missing men have been informed. our thoughts are with them at this desperate time. while them at this desperate time. while the search is concluded, there is an ongoing inquiry to formally identify those in the vehicle and to understand what has led to this tragic incident. i would like to take the opportunity to publicly thank members of the emergency services, volunteers from the search agencies and members of the public who have supported us with the search. finally, iwould who have supported us with the search. finally, i would ask that the families are afforded privacy at this desperate time. thank you. that was a short — this desperate time. thank you. that was a short statement from north wales police. on the news that four bodies have been recovered from a car which appears to have left the road in north wales, following a search for the missing teenagers jevon hirst, harvey owen, wilf henderson and hugo morris. the superintendent of north wales police said it appears to have been a tragic accident and thoughts are with the family and friends of the four young men at a difficult time, adding it has been an extensive search involving search agencies and volunteers, but sadly not the outcome anyone wanted. we ask the family be afforded the privacy and respect in the investigation is ongoing, the statement says. —— and the investigation is ongoing. a damning report has strongly criticised lancashire police for the way it handled the disappearance of nicola bulley. she went missing while walking her dog. the review said it was avoidable and unnecessary for the police to release sensitive information about her health struggles. her body was found in the river in february several weeks after she vanished. our north of england correspondent has this report. for three weeks nicola bulley�*s picture was everywhere. the 45—year—old mother of two who vanished on a lancashire river bank, and her phone was found on this bench, still connected to a work conference call. her dog was off the lead nearby. police quickly declared she had somehow fallen into the water. they were right but it took three weeks for the river to give up her body. a report today criticised some of the police decision making during the time she was unaccounted for. {liam decision making during the time she was unaccounted for.— was unaccounted for. our thoughts first and foremost _ was unaccounted for. our thoughts first and foremost remain - was unaccounted for. our thoughts first and foremost remain with - first and foremost remain with nicola bulley�*s family and friends at this difficult time. in at this difficult time. in particular a decision to release sensitive personal information about her health. the sensitive personal information about her health. ., , ., her health. the release of her ersonal her health. the release of her personal information - her health. the release of her personal information was - her health. the release of her - personal information was unnecessary and avoidable, and there were opportunities to stop that happening throughout the investigation. it would _ throughout the investigation. it would have been much better had she been declared as a high risk missing person— been declared as a high risk missing person from the outset and indeed there _ person from the outset and indeed there was— person from the outset and indeed there was an early press conference where _ there was an early press conference where it— there was an early press conference where it some misleading information was given— where it some misleading information was given that said there were no issues _ was given that said there were no issues of— was given that said there were no issues of vulnerability around her which _ issues of vulnerability around her which actually probably contributed to a number of the conspiracy theories — to a number of the conspiracy theories about something awful happened if there were no vulnerabilities which led to her being — vulnerabilities which led to her being high—risk. the vulnerabilities which led to her being high-risk.— vulnerabilities which led to her being high-risk. vulnerabilities which led to her beinuuhih-risk. , , . ., being high-risk. the public was told about her struggles _ being high-risk. the public was told about her struggles with _ being high-risk. the public was told about her struggles with alcohol - being high-risk. the public was told | about her struggles with alcohol and the menopause. today's review said this was avoidable and unnecessary. lancashire police has responded to the criticisms.— the criticisms. obviously, there is learnina the criticisms. obviously, there is learning that _ the criticisms. obviously, there is learning that has _ the criticisms. obviously, there is learning that has been _ the criticisms. obviously, there is learning that has been identified. learning that has been identified within the review and you would expect that from a review of this nature so we are keen to understand and we fully accept the recommendations in the report and we will implement the changes that need to be made for lancashire constabulary.— to be made for lancashire constabula . ., , , ., , constabulary. the report does praise lancashire police _ constabulary. the report does praise lancashire police for— constabulary. the report does praise lancashire police for much _ constabulary. the report does praise lancashire police for much of- constabulary. the report does praise lancashire police for much of its - lancashire police for much of its investigative work, and experts correctly predicted that nearly to the exact day when they believed her body would be fun, but the intervening three weeks saw what it described as a global social media frenzy, as people voiced alternative theories about what may have happened to her. the role of independent underwater search expert peter folding was also criticised. i peter folding was also criticised. i wish we could have at least found at to rule out if nicola bulley was in the river. , , , . , ., , the river. his public statements caused consternation _ the river. his public statements caused consternation at - the river. his public statements i caused consternation at lancashire police who believed he should not be talking to the press and he said he signed no agreement not to talk publicly. ultimately the whole sorry publicly. ultimately the whole sorry public saga would have had a lot lower profile if lancashire police had given the bigger picture shortly after nicola bulley disappeared. danny savage, bbc news, preston. earlier i spoke to zoe billingham who previously served at the constabulary.— who previously served at the constabula . , , constabulary. this report is quite riaht and i constabulary. this report is quite right and i remember— constabulary. this report is quite right and i remember the - constabulary. this report is quite right and i remember the news i constabulary. this report is quite i right and i remember the news that the police released this really personal information about someone who had been missing for a number of weeks, stopped us in our tracks, and it caused a lot of women to question the deeply personal information relating to someone's mental health and the fact they were going through the menopause, what on earth that could have to do with being able to find her and we were hoping she would be found. rightly the college of policing has found that it was unnecessary and avoidable to have release that information, but in certain circumstances like this should not be repeated in this kind of deeply personal information that will not help the police bring an individual home should be kept private. it individual home should be kept rivate. ., ~ , individual home should be kept rivate. . ,, , ., individual home should be kept rivate. w , ., . ., individual home should be kept rivate. w , . . ., private. it makes a clear message, so talk about _ private. it makes a clear message, so talk about how _ private. it makes a clear message, so talk about how the _ private. it makes a clear message, so talk about how the findings - private. it makes a clear message, so talk about how the findings can | so talk about how the findings can affect police methods going forward? the review is conducted by the couege the review is conducted by the college of policing which has a responsibility for setting standards across the whole of policing and lease leaders say they welcome the information —— police leaders. it is common sense, after all, why on earth would it be necessary for the police to issue this kind of information and because national policing is embracing the review and saying that it stands by the findings, i would expect to see 43 forces in england and wales being certain that they do not make the mistakes that lancashire police made as revealed by the report today. the re ort as revealed by the report today. the report found it was not total mistakes and there were areas where they undertook their work well. and they undertook their work well. and they mentioned the need for transparency, but protecting the information and the individual as well. it information and the individual as well. , . , information and the individual as well. ' . well. it is always difficult. the senior investigating _ well. it is always difficult. the senior investigating officer, i well. it is always difficult. the | senior investigating officer, the investigation team have commended in this report for the fine investigative work they undertook and it is really important that we stressed this. there were clearly pieces of information that were making their way slowly into less mainstream media around the wrong ability relating to nicola bulley which was not relevant to the investigation. that the police communications outfit should have done a betterjob. in terms of handling the media. what this case shows is that there is some real value in the media, the mainstream media, responsible media, actually having access to police during investigations, and there was worldwide interest in these terribly tragic case, was there? but they should be the ability for police communications teams to speak completely off the record where there are issues which are as sensitive as this so the media understands there is a bit more to this than meets the eye, without it having to go into the public domain, and all of the upset that would cause for the person if they were found alive but also for the family who are going through unimaginable stresses at that moment in time. picking up on the thought about the family, the report might impact policing going forwards, and how important are the reviews to affected families?— important are the reviews to affected families? . , ., affected families? really important. i noticed earlier _ affected families? really important. i noticed earlier today _ affected families? really important. i noticed earlier today the _ affected families? really important. i noticed earlier today the family - i noticed earlier today the family said it does not want to comment and it wants to continue to remember and grieve for nicola and i understand that and it is not for me to speak for the family but what it will mean for the family but what it will mean for future for the family but what it will mean forfuture families for the family but what it will mean for future families who find themselves in a tragically similar situation, the circumstances in which their loved one has gone missing and the irrelevant circumstances that do not need to go into the public domain will be treated so much more carefully and sensitively by the police and that is so important. it is important for one reason, because if you are relative goes missing, you do not want to be hesitant about contacting the police because there might be something in their private life that you don't want to go into the public domain, you don't report to police because you are worried that history may repeat itself and today i think we can say with absolute certainty this review should stop this happening again. zoe billingham s-ueakin happening again. zoe billingham speaking to _ happening again. zoe billingham speaking to me _ happening again. zoe billingham speaking to me a _ happening again. zoe billingham speaking to me a short - happening again. zoe billingham speaking to me a short while - happening again. zoe billingham. speaking to me a short while ago. the controversial tiktok prankster mizzy has been sentenced after a string of pranks. he was found guilty of two counts of breaching a court order prohibiting him from showing videos of people without their consent and he was found not guilty on a couple of other counts. thejudge told him, to put it bluntly, you're pranks are not funny. the tv series top gear will be rested for the foreseeable future. the show has been running since 1977 had been paused following a crash during filming in december last year. it left andrew or freddie flintoff with serious injuries. bbc studios said a health review of the show which did not cover the accident but looked at previous seasons found that while bbc studios had complied with the required bbc policies and best practice in making the show, there were important learnings which will need to be rigorously applied for future top top gear productions. now we have the weather forecast. good afternoon. a rather cloudy shot looking over oxfordshire earlier on this morning. and england and wales have a lot of cloud, but the thicker cloud still waits out in the wings. we are between weather systems, if you like, at the moment. so it's not altogether dry out there where we have that cloud across england and wales, there are some showers around, drizzly showers for some, but increasingly bright for northern and western parts of england and wales, along with northern ireland and much of scotland, although the wind is strengthening, the rains gathering towards the northwest later on and although we'll get to 10 to 12 further south and east, we have got a brisk wind with us through the rest of the day and it'll linger across southeastern areas and the channel into this evening, as will the showers. but then they fade and then under the clear skies, i think a chilly night, whilst we've got all that rain and strong winds gathering further north. so this time the north will have a much milder night, scotland, northern ireland compared with last night, could be frosty on some of the windscreens. so some grass frosts come tomorrow morning under this ridge of high pressure. equally, there could be a little bit of fog. once that clears, i think a brighter day on the whole, less windy as well. but further north, the winds really start to pick up pushing rain, particularly into western areas. but one or two spits and spots will carry further eastwards. but it's a milder day tomorrow on the whole, 13 and 14c. and that mild air will continue through tomorrow night. but so too will the rain — starting to move its way southwards on thursday, getting into england and wales during the day on thursday, allowing colder air to come into the north. so the cold snap we've been talking about starts to make its presence felt during the course of thursday. temperatures dipping away here. just about holding on, though, further south. in fact, through thursday night it might stay relatively mild in the south, but by friday, we're all in the arctic air. so as it's been so mild of late, i think a real shock to the system, the showers coming down the north sea coast and then to the northern isles falling as snow to low levels. by the end of the day, some hail and some rain, mostly for east anglia, but it's how it will feel. it'll be a bright, crisp, sunny day. but these are the highs, 4—5 in the north, perhaps double figures on the south coast. accentuating that chill, particularly for scotland and eastern england, where the winds are stronger by that strong wind as well, still gusting 50, 60 miles an hour. it starts crisp and sunny for the weekend. but how long that cold weather lasts? that's the question mark. live from london. this is bbc news. breaking news this hour, four bodies have been recovered from a car which appears you left a road in north wales. that according to north wales police following a search for the missing jevon missing teenagers harvey owen, wilf henderson,, hugo morris and for the northwest police said it appears to have been a tragic accident and our thoughts are with the family and friends of the four young friends at this very difficult time. this is been an extensive search involving a number of different agencies and volunteers and this is sadly not the outcome that any of us would've wanted. let's bring in our correspondent who joins us. liam, just tell us a bit more about what we've been hearing from the police. what we've been hearing from the olice. ., . ., , police. north wales confirming within the last _ police. north wales confirming within the last half _ police. north wales confirming within the last half hour- police. north wales confirming within the last half hour that i police. north wales confirming i within the last half hour that they have found four bodies in that vehicle, they have been searching for the past 24 hours. we will or coming into the full statement of north wales police in a moment. i think it's worth going over some of the key events and facts that have let us up to that point today. if we can look in the distance, you can very much see that this area is a hive of activity from north wales police. that cordon right of the shotin police. that cordon right of the shot in the villages, some

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