you love them, tell them. if you haven't already told them how vulnerable you sometimes feel, tell them. you never know what is coming around the corner. it was a very beautiful ceremony. we'll talk live to the prisons minister damian hinds. here for labour is their shadow health secretary wes streeting. last week the murderer of zara aleena had his sentence cut on appeal. today's king's speech introduced whole—life sentences for sexually motivated killings. we'll get the reaction of zara aleena's aunt. also tonight. we report from kfar afza — an israeli kibbutz where hamas killed families in their homes a month ago today. we speak to a member of prime minister benjamin netanyahu's party, as israel says its military response to the atrocities has reached the heart of gaza city. we area we are a couple of kilometres from the border with gaza and this is one of the communities worst hit on october the 7th. more than 100 people died here in this community. what was the vision? well the government put crime and justice front and centre of their offer to the country today — in the king's speech laying out their legislative agenda in the time left before a general election. you've probably heard the details by now — and we'll drill down on some of them with our guests from conservatives and labour in a moment. but in summary, the king announced whole life sentences for murders committed with sexual or sadistic motives, and plans to force criminals to attend their sentencing after high profile no—shows from lucy letby and the killers of olivia pratt—korbel and zara aleena. the legislation will also attempt to ease the pressure on prisons — establishing new powers for prisoners to be transferred abroad to serve their sentences and effectively scrapping jail terms of less than 12 months. rishi sunak said the plans would "change our country for the better". sir keir starmer said the government had reached a "new low" with "more sticking plasters" and "more divisions". here's nick. friends for a brief moment. prime minister and pretend you're putting on a show for the cameras. then more serious, calculating opportunities and pitfalls. as the monarch outlined his government prizmic plans that will shape the road the election. and in the 21 bills, three main themes stood out. firstly what the tories hope will be traps for labour on energy, a new annual round of north sea oil and gas licences which the labour party is committed to scrapping and on crime, tory red meat with tougher sentences for the most serious offenders. secondly some less political elements, and you great british railways body to take over rail franchising and changing the law on self driving cars. and finally rishi sunak showed he is prepared for a showdown with elements of his party as he legislates to ensure nobody currently aged 1a will be allowed to buy cigarettes. the prime minister insisted he was acting in the long—term interests of the nation. it builds on the strong foundation of an economy file on its way to recovery and rejects government and backs people and businesses to thrive, it strengthens society with measures to support health and education. . measures to support health and education-— measures to support health and education. . ,, ., ., , education. earlier keir starmer was dismissive- — education. earlier keir starmer was dismissive. what _ education. earlier keir starmer was dismissive. what this _ education. earlier keir starmer was dismissive. what this address - education. earlier keir starmer was l dismissive. what this address shows with ever greater _ dismissive. what this address shows with ever greater clarity _ dismissive. what this address shows with ever greater clarity is _ dismissive. what this address shows with ever greater clarity is that - with ever greater clarity is that the only— with ever greater clarity is that the only fight left in them is the fight _ the only fight left in them is the fight for— the only fight left in them is the fight for their own skin, a government that has given up my dragging — government that has given up my dragging britain down with them ever more steadily towards declined. after_ more steadily towards declined. after the — more steadily towards declined. after the contenders for the top job, time for others.— after the contenders for the top job, time for others. when we look at the cost — job, time for others. when we look at the cost of _ job, time for others. when we look at the cost of living _ job, time for others. when we look at the cost of living crisis _ job, time for others. when we look at the cost of living crisis in - job, time for others. when we look at the cost of living crisis in its - at the cost of living crisis in its total— at the cost of living crisis in its total and — at the cost of living crisis in its total and look— at the cost of living crisis in its total and look at _ at the cost of living crisis in its total and look at it _ at the 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pay energy bills because decades of— bills because decades of incompetence _ bills because decades of incompetence on - bills because decades ofj incompetence on energy bills because decades of- incompetence on energy policy bills because decades of— incompetence on energy policy from this place _ incompetence on energy policy from this place hie — incompetence on energy policy from this lace. ., ., ., incompetence on energy policy from this lace. ., . ., ., this place. no matter how long the prime minister _ this place. no matter how long the prime minister delays _ this place. no matter how long the prime minister delays it _ this place. no matter how long the prime minister delays it an - this place. no matter how long the| prime minister delays it an election is coming so the british people do not have to accept the miserable fate of his tired conservative government. today, this place was in its element. pomp, pageantry and high politics. a prime minister seeking to use a set piece occasion to reboot his premiership. but time is beginning to run out for future set piece events between now and the general election. but rishi sunak doesn't give up easily. he replaced liz truss after being beaten by her in the tory leadership contest last year. so we can expect a pretty intense road down the general election. a commentator on the conservative party sees a prime minister yet to achieve a breakthrough. i do party sees a prime minister yet to achieve a breakthrough.— achieve a breakthrough. i do not think the conference _ achieve a breakthrough. i do not think the conference speech - achieve a breakthrough. i do not think the conference speech did | achieve a breakthrough. i do not- think the conference speech did what number ten wanted it to do, there was a feeling perhaps that they would change some things in retrospect and that produced some impact. then you have the king's speech which i think is going to get the government something to focus on, something to say but actually is not going to in a meaningful way at the lightning bolt that changes their fortunes. the lightning bolt that changes theirfortunes. then the lightning bolt that changes their fortunes. then the autumn statement coming up the track and again i think this could be something of a disappointment to tory mps. no final decisions made in terms of what will be in that but i think it is more likely than not that personal tax cuts are pushed into the spring. that personal tax cuts are pushed into the spring-— that personal tax cuts are pushed into the spring. very thin and not a road map to _ into the spring. very thin and not a road map to anywhere, _ into the spring. very thin and not a road map to anywhere, but - into the spring. very thin and not a road map to anywhere, but very i into the spring. very thin and not a. road map to anywhere, but very odd that whenever opinion polls which is what people worry about is the cost of living _ what people worry about is the cost of living and public services and climate — of living and public services and climate and immigration, none of that was— climate and immigration, none of that was there, nothing that people really— that was there, nothing that people really care — that was there, nothing that people really care about was discussed. i find it— really care about was discussed. i find it surprising that a party in such— find it surprising that a party in such deep— find it surprising that a party in such deep trouble has not managed to make some _ such deep trouble has not managed to make some big steps in any direction, _ make some big steps in any direction, something that identifies them~ _ direction, something that identifies them. it— direction, something that identifies them. ., , direction, something that identifies them. ., direction, something that identifies them. . ., direction, something that identifies them. ., ., ., ., them. it was a lot of nothing. centuries _ them. it was a lot of nothing. centuries of _ them. it was a lot of nothing. centuries of tradition - them. it was a lot of nothing. centuries of tradition holding | them. it was a lot of nothing. - centuries of tradition holding firm but presaging a political battle to claim the future. before we speak to the prisons minister damian hinds we're going to speak to zara aleena's aunt farah naz. zara was attacked on her way home from a night out in ilford east london last summer. jordan mcsweeney stalked her before grabbing her and dragging her into a alleyway. the attack lasted nine minutes and he left the law graduate with 46 separate injuries. mcsweeney had been released from prison on licence nine days before the murder. he had his minumum sentence of 38 years reduced to 33 years lkast years reduced to 33 years last friday by the court of appeal. he by the way had refused to attend his sentencing in court. thank you for being with us this evening. under new plans announced by the government such killers will spend the rest of the life behind bars in future. what you think of that? i bars in future. what you think of that? i will wholeheartedly support that? i will wholeheartedly support that ou that? i will wholeheartedly support that you measure _ that? i will wholeheartedly support that you measure for _ that? i will wholeheartedly support that you measure for stringent - that you measure for stringent sentencing for sexually motivated murder. it is a serious crime and sadistic nature. and such criminals are unlikely to change in their lifetime. so it is a measure that protects society from them. we think it sends a powerful message to potential offenders and serves as a significant deterrent. but unfortunately it is regrettable that such measures were not in place in the case of zara where as you said ironically, the man who murdered her only a few days before received a reduction in his minimum sentence so thatis reduction in his minimum sentence so that is particularlyjarring for us. what impact does that have on you and your family? what impact does that have on you and yourfamily? the what impact does that have on you and your family?— what impact does that have on you and your family? the crime was not severe enough _ and your family? the crime was not severe enough for— and your family? the crime was not severe enough for life _ and your family? the crime was not severe enough for life to _ and your family? the crime was not severe enough for life to mean - and your family? the crime was not severe enough for life to mean life. j severe enough for life to mean life. and what we understand is when a murder is committed with such a level of intent and sadism that we are told that life means life. and we're not sure whether that is what is going to happen even though it is a minimum sentence with a life sentence. it is a minimum tariff thatis sentence. it is a minimum tariff that is reduced. and so we do understand that but given that an esteemed judge who was on the case for just esteemed judge who was on the case forjust under six months has been overruled by an appeal hearing that took place under two hours, it seems ludicrous that that appeal hearing could overturn the sentencing judge ruling as if it was incorrect. so it begs the question if they consider that the sentencing judge was incorrect we could equally ask perhaps the appeal process was incorrect. and certainly we had a lot of questions in that process. so thejudgment lot of questions in that process. so the judgment today is very important, i think the women all around. an important for our campaign. we are trying to make meaning out of zara's death to protect women. and so we are of course pleased at this measure and the other measure that offenders will be forced to attend their sentencing in the court room. and we think that is also very important as a deterrent. think that is also very important as a deterrent-— think that is also very important as a deterrent. ., ,, , ., , . ., a deterrent. thank you very much for bein: with a deterrent. thank you very much for being with us — a deterrent. thank you very much for being with us this _ a deterrent. thank you very much for being with us this evening, _ a deterrent. thank you very much for being with us this evening, we - being with us this evening, we appreciate your time. thank you. damian hinds, ministerfor prisons, parole and probation, joins me now. why has it taken your government 13 years to actually make sure some of the worst offenders spend the rest of their lives in jail? the worst offenders spend the rest of their lives injail? can the worst offenders spend the rest of their lives in jail?— of their lives in “ail? can i “ust face -a of their lives injail? can i “ust face pay tribute i of their lives injail? can i “ust face pay tribute to i of their lives injail? can i “ust face pay tribute to farah h of their lives in jail? can ijust face pay tribute to farah and l of their lives in jail? can i just i face pay tribute to farah and her story is as tragic as any story you could imagine, she has been incredibly brave and dignified and impactful in the way that she has taken that and try to make it make a difference for people in the future. and of course the case that she makes is extremely powerful and that is one the reasons why we forward this measure that in these worst cases, killings with sexual and sadistic conduct that life must mean life and a whole life order. it sadistic conduct that life must mean life and a whole life order.— life and a whole life order. it has taken 13 years. _ life and a whole life order. it has taken 13 years. and _ life and a whole life order. it has taken 13 years. and also - life and a whole life order. it has taken 13 years. and also as - life and a whole life order. it has taken 13 years. and also as she i taken 13 years. and also as she riuhtl taken 13 years. and also as she rightly says. — taken 13 years. and also as she rightly says. the _ taken 13 years. and also as she rightly says, the requirement l taken 13 years. and also as she i rightly says, the requirement that people must turn up in court to hear their sentencing. we have been over time making sentences for the worst offenders tougher and putting back the automatic release date back to two thirds from one half and average senses as you will know are longer than they were. there are more people in prison than at any time previously. people in prison than at any time previously-— people in prison than at any time previously. that is no consolation to herfamily- _ previously. that is no consolation to her family. i— previously. that is no consolation to her family. i am _ previously. that is no consolation to her family. i am just _ previously. that is no consolation to her family. i am just asking . previously. that is no consolationl to her family. i am just asking why to herfamily. i am just asking why it has taken 13 years? i do to her family. i am just asking why it has taken 13 years?— it has taken 13 years? i do not su: est it has taken 13 years? i do not suggest for — it has taken 13 years? i do not suggest for a _ it has taken 13 years? i do not suggest for a moment - it has taken 13 years? i do not suggest for a moment that i it has taken 13 years? i do not suggest for a moment that itl it has taken 13 years? i do not - suggest for a moment that it does. i am just asking why it has taken 13 years? i am just asking why it has taken 13 ears? , ., , am just asking why it has taken 13 ears? , . , ., ,~ years? i understand why ask the ruestion years? i understand why ask the question and _ years? i understand why ask the question and it _ years? i understand why ask the question and it is _ years? i understand why ask the question and it is a _ years? i understand why ask the question and it is a reasonable l question and it is a reasonable question and it is a reasonable question and it is a reasonable question and the answer is that we are doing this now and i think it is an important to put the two together, the whole life order is an there to hear the sentence ring in your ears as you then go into incarceration. and other measures that we have put in place and are putting in place to make sure the worst offenders and most dangerous people spend longer behind bars for the protection of the public. you not the question _ the protection of the public. you not the question but i will move on. time is pressing. let me ask you about something else in the sensing bill, the government will grasp the nettle and make a long—term decision that previous governments have ducked and legislate for a presumption that sentences of less than 12 months in prison should be suspended. the people sentenced to jail terms that are less than a year will not as a rule of thumb served time injail. according to domestic abuse campaigners that is a trail of victims and survivors of domestic abuse, stalking and because they say hundreds of churches will essentially walk free from court. how would that make victims feel? were not banning those sentences and send things decisions are made by judges and there will always be cases including those of domestic abuse were a short custodial sentence is the right thing to do. what we are legislating is a presumption against short sentences. how will that make victims feel? taste how will that make victims feel? we are all how will that make victims feel? - are all about public safety and for the worst offenders that means being incarcerated longer and in the worst cases for the rest of your life. we are talking _ cases for the rest of your life. we are talking about you legislating for a presumption that short sentences will be suspended and that means according to domestic abuse campaigners including your own domestic abuse commissioner that perpetrators will walk free? that domestic abuse commissioner that perpetrators will walk free?- perpetrators will walk free? that is not correct that _ perpetrators will walk free? that is not correct that it _ perpetrators will walk free? that is not correct that it will _ perpetrators will walk free? that is not correct that it will not - perpetrators will walk free? that is not correct that it will not be - not correct that it will not be impossible to imprison people in that category nor is it right to say that category nor is it right to say that people who should be going to prison will not be going to prison but there are some people for whom the best thing for public safety is to deal with them to suspense and think still means there is incarceration.— think still means there is incarceration. ., , ., ., incarceration. you still have not answered _ incarceration. you still have not answered the _ incarceration. you still have not answered the question, - incarceration. you still have not answered the question, i'm - incarceration. you still have not i answered the question, i'm asking how that will make victims feel? you've just said suspended sentence or community work or whatever is betterfor public or community work or whatever is better for public safety but not for the victim. ., , better for public safety but not for the victim. . , ., ., the victim. that is not what i said and ou the victim. that is not what i said and you did _ the victim. that is not what i said and you did not _ the victim. that is not what i said and you did not let _ the victim. that is not what i said and you did not let me _ the victim. that is not what i said and you did not let me finish, i i and you did not let me finish, i said some offenders it is better not to have been going through what can be a repeated cycle of coming in and out of prison on the short sentence were sometimes it does worse than no good but is counter—productive and you make people more hardened criminal and for those people the most important thing for public safety is to get them off drugs and into the habit of work, dealing with the other things around their criminality and stopping them associated with other people. and this is very important point, always tilt with the ultimate sanction of being incarcerated. i come back to the question, how will it make the victim feel? what will it make the victim feel? what i'm in the business _ will it make the victim feel? what i'm in the business of— will it make the victim feel? what i'm in the business of is _ will it make the victim feel? twist i'm in the business of is trying to stop reoffending, trying to stop crime and stop more people becoming victims and as i said, there will still be many times when the right thing to do is to imprison somebody but there will be at the times when, for the better protection of the public, the right thing to do is to have them on a suspended sentence which still means that the threat of going to prison if you break the suspended sentient order hang serve you but you can also have people on drug rehabilitation requirements and unpaid work requirements... rishi sunak said — unpaid work requirements... rishi sunak said in _ unpaid work requirements... rishi sunak said in february, no woman or girl should ever have to feel unsafe in her home or community. quite riuht. he in her home or community. quite right. he didn't _ in her home or community. quite right. he didn't mean _ in her home or community. quite right. he didn't mean it. - in her home or community. quite right. he didn't mean it. he - in her home or community. quite right. he didn't mean it. he did l in her home or community. quite i right. he didn't mean it. he did and if ou look right. he didn't mean it. he did and if you look at _ right. he didn't mean it. he did and if you look at this _ right. he didn't mean it. he did and if you look at this government's i if you look at this government's record on what we have done and are continuing to do on tackling the scourge of domestic abuse in all its forms, with addressing things like controlling and coercive behaviour, including economic domestic abuse in the statutory definition of domestic abuse, in what we are doing in quadrupling the amount of funding available... ., �* ., ., quadrupling the amount of funding available... ., ., , , available... you're going over stuff which is in — available... you're going over stuff which is in previous _ available... you're going over stuff which is in previous speeches. i available... you're going over stuff which is in previous speeches. let| which is in previous speeches. let me tell you what... which is in previous speeches. let me tell you what. . ._ me tell you what... domestic violence _ me tell you what... domestic violence by — me tell you what... domestic violence by this _ me tell you what... domestic violence by this is _ me tell you what... domestic violence by this is available i me tell you what... domestic| violence by this is available to people, all of this is very important and people should know that if you are the victim of these crimes, it's very important to come forward and there's more support available... i’m forward and there's more support available- - -_ forward and there's more support available... �* ., ., , available... i'm going to pause you because you're _ available... i'm going to pause you because you're really _ available... i'm going to pause you because you're really talking - available... i'm going to pause you because you're really talking the i because you're really talking the time out if you don't mind me saying so. your own domestic abuse commissioner, nicolejacobs so. your own domestic abuse commissioner, nicole jacobs says, so. your own domestic abuse commissioner, nicolejacobs says, "i am concerned about commitments to introduce a presumption against short sentences of 12 months. for too long the criminaljustice system has failed to recognise the severity of domestic abuse crimes and the danger perpetrators pose." that is your own domestic abuse commissioner. i your own domestic abuse commissioner. . , , ., .. , commissioner. i absolutely accept the oint commissioner. i absolutely accept the point about _ commissioner. i absolutely accept the point about government, i commissioner. i absolutely accept i the point about government, society, everybody has not historically taken the full range of domestic abuse sufficiently seriously. we are doing so now and in what we have done in legislation and the support networks and encouraging people to come forward and working with the voluntary sector, this is all a part of addressing the scourge of domestic abuse to which we should have no tolerance of a society. let me ask you _ have no tolerance of a society. let me ask you about the pro—palestinian march which is going ahead on saturday, the boss of the met, sir mark rowley, says within the law, he can't stop it. your home secretary, your prime minister did not want much to go ahead, the prime minister said it would be provocative and disrespectful. you make the laws so why not change them to stop future matches like this?— why not change them to stop future matches like this? what may happen in the law in — matches like this? what may happen in the law in future _ matches like this? what may happen in the law in future i'm _ matches like this? what may happen in the law in future i'm not _ matches like this? what may happen in the law in future i'm not dodging l in the law in future i'm not dodging that question, we will see... you could have _ that question, we will see... you could have introduced it today, it would have effected saturday but future matches.— would have effected saturday but future matches. what we are saying very clearly. — future matches. what we are saying very clearly. as _ future matches. what we are saying very clearly, as the _ future matches. what we are saying very clearly, as the prime _ future matches. what we are saying very clearly, as the prime minister i very clearly, as the prime minister has said, this weekend with armistice day and remembrance sunday, is a very solemn and important weekend in our national calendar, when people honour and remember those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to protect our freedoms. we have obviously heard the statement of the commission has made it has given assurances that remembrance weekend events will be protected. and i know government will stay in contact with the metropolitan police about the importance thing about the sanctity of those events... find importance thing about the sanctity of those events. . ._ of those events... and the home secretary and — of those events... and the home secretary and prime _ of those events... and the home secretary and prime and - of those events... and the home secretary and prime and stab i of those events... and the home | secretary and prime and stab said these words but unless you do something about it is just gesture politics. something about it is “ust gesture olitics. ,., . something about it is “ust gesture olitics. . ., �* politics. the police are... i'm askin: politics. the police are... i'm asking about _ politics. the police are... i'm asking about the _ politics. the police are... i'm asking about the and - politics. the police are... i'm asking about the and prime l politics. the police are... i'm - asking about the and prime minister. operationally independent, we don't live in a country where governments decide on these things on a day—to—day basis and that is correct. as to what may happen in law in future, i don't have an announcement to make on it today but what we can say because it is relevant right now is to echo that ask to people who may be thinking of going on in march this weekend, that this is a particularly solemn weekend. there were many other weekends in the year and i have been much is over the weekend is up to now, and the sanctity of the saturday and sunday and remembrance events is of paramount importance —— there have been marches. events is of paramount importance -- there have been marches.— there have been marches. thank you for bein: there have been marches. thank you for being with _ there have been marches. thank you for being with us. _ wes streeting, labour's shadow health secretary, is here. does labour support this proposal that offenders sentenced to less than a year in prisons will serve their sentence in the community? rather than taking a blanket approach, i think you have to look at different categories of offences and different cases... at different categories of offences and different cases. . ._ and different cases... specifically for offences _ and different cases... specifically for offences that _ and different cases... specifically for offences that are _ and different cases... specifically for offences that are 12 _ and different cases... specifically for offences that are 12 months i and different cases... specifically. for offences that are 12 months jail sentence or under. taste for offences that are 12 months “ail sentence or undeni sentence or under. we will look at the detail of— sentence or under. we will look at the detail of the _ sentence or under. we will look at the detail of the legislation - sentence or under. we will look at the detail of the legislation on i sentence or under. we will look at | the detail of the legislation on how the detail of the legislation on how the government plans to apply it you just raised the point where cases where victims, i would argue fairly serious crimes, will feel a degree of injustice. we willjudge the legislation where it comes forward but the most serious offenders in terms of monetary whole life sentence which the government put forward, we be making that argument that so we will work constructively in that case. put that so we will work constructively in that case-— in that case. put your instinct on these shorter _ in that case. put your instinct on these shorter ones, _ in that case. put your instinct on these shorter ones, this - in that case. put your instinct on i these shorter ones, this presumption it will be a sentence of less than 12 months should be serving the community, a suspended sentence, what is your instinct? part community, a suspended sentence, what is your instinct?— what is your instinct? part of the challenges _ what is your instinct? part of the challenges we — what is your instinct? part of the challenges we are _ what is your instinct? part of the challenges we are in _ what is your instinct? part of the challenges we are in this - what is your instinct? part of the | challenges we are in this position because we have an extraordinary scenario where the judges, the criminaljustice scenario where the judges, the criminal justice system, scenario where the judges, the criminaljustice system, are a warning that we don't have the prison places to put serious criminals behind bars. think whether it is prisons, schools, hospitals, after 13 years of conservative government we are in a position where the basics are crumbling. band where the basics are crumbling. and if ou want where the basics are crumbling. and if you want to _ where the basics are crumbling. and if you want to be the next government, will have to have answers to questions like this. moving on to something of that came up moving on to something of that came up in the speech today, the conservative saying they will award you a north sea oil and gas licenses every year, we know that they say if they win they will be no new licences but you will not cancel anything in my understanding that is all that between now and then print it you say that's by giving businesses the ability. however, that you will ignore mr sunak�*s 2035 ban on new petrol and diesel cars and bring back to 2030 so you're not bothered about stability therefore business? i bothered about stability therefore business? ~ bothered about stability therefore business? ,, , , , , bothered about stability therefore business? ,, , , ,, ., ., business? i think business have made the case they — business? i think business have made the case they want _ business? i think business have made the case they want that _ business? i think business have made the case they want that target, - business? i think business have made the case they want that target, they l the case they want that target, they were working towards it, progress was being made and the government, for entirely party political self—serving reasons for wanting to create bizarre dividing lines that put the conservatives notjust on the wrong side of the argument that there are also the public opinion... i thought there was a healthy consensus in the country about the need notjust raised towards zero but create jobs, cut bills. that consensus has been shattered that the conservative party has lost the plot, abandon the mainstream of politics and is having a row with itself about, i mean, politics and is having a row with itselfabout, i mean, i politics and is having a row with itself about, i mean, i don't know what from one week to the next point of for example, the head of the gmb, britain's biggest manufacturing union, said strangling the north of the oil industry would be bad for jobs and but for the environment. because the uk would still have to import gas of overseas with a higher carbon footprint. he says it's absolutely vital that big oil and gas companies are able to provide investment in the future. that gas companies are able to provide investment in the future.- investment in the future. that is wh we investment in the future. that is why we are _ investment in the future. that is why we are working _ investment in the future. that is why we are working with - investment in the future. that is why we are working with the i investment in the future. that is i why we are working with the a-list why we are working with the a—list —— energy industry to make sure what it is our plan, with a new nuclear or the renewable energy revolution we need in the country, will cut bills and create jobs, we need in the country, will cut bills and createjobs, well—paid jobs in areas that have suffered massive deindustrialisation and lots of good jobs in industry and also give britain its energy security back so not as exposed to the winds and headwinds of international markets or indeed reliant on foreign dictators. that is why that plan matters and in terms of the journey towards zero, it's got to be a just transition where workers are not left behind, families are not left out of pocket. and whether benefits are notjust enjoyed by a few at the top but right throughout the economy because that is where the economy has gone wrong, particularly in the last 13 years. that is the change that people are crying out for, the economy is in hard times now but even where we have seen anaemic growth under this government, it has been growth that has largely been concentrated in wealthier families and parts of the country. there are and parts of the country. there are a lot of people who have felt really left behind notjust in terms of their pockets but in terms of their public services and opportunities which is why so many parents now are saying, ifearthe which is why so many parents now are saying, i fear the opportunities for my kids will not be as good as for my kids will not be as good as for my generation and that is a travesty in terms of the natural evolution and progress we have made. in in terms of the natural evolution and progress we have made. in terms ofthe and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of — and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of living, _ and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of living, i _ and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of living, i liked _ and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of living, i liked us - and progress we have made. in terms of the cost of living, i liked us to i of the cost of living, i liked us to about a joseph rowntree foundation report from the week before last which suggested that 3.8 million people experienced destitution last year, pointing to the very threadbare social security system, the cuts in universal credit under the cuts in universal credit under the conservatives, and they say that's a big driver of what were seeing. if labour wins the next election it says it is pretty much going to stick to the tory spending plans. and he also said he would stick to their recent housing benefit, with their two child benefits cap. doesn't sound like you're going to be helping people were expecting destitution. firfitii’f were expecting destitution. firstly i'd sa in were expecting destitution. firstly i'd say in terms — were expecting destitution. firstly i'd say in terms of _ were expecting destitution. firstly i'd say in terms of our _ were expecting destitution. firstly i'd say in terms of our priorities i i'd say in terms of our priorities we have shown that whether it is the windfall tax the big oil and gas jobs, and the cost of living measures, we understand the pain people are feeling in their pockets and we would make their choices. secondly... flat and we would make their choices. secondly- - -_ secondly... not fair, sticking to the dorries. .. _ secondly... not fair, sticking to the dorries... hang _ secondly... not fair, sticking to the dorries... hang on, - secondly. .. not fair, sticking to the dorries... hang on, our- the dorries... hang on, our manifesto _ the dorries... hang on, our manifesto is _ the dorries... hang on, our manifesto is not _ the dorries... hang on, our manifesto is not published | the dorries... hang on, our. manifesto is not published yet the dorries... hang on, our- manifesto is not published yet but he was the fundamental thing, if we think the answer to tackling poverty and destitution in this country it is the benefits for some, were missing the point, it has to be good jobs and opportunities, education, skills, training and those high—qualityjobs adequate early in relation to energy we need to see that across the economy. those of the opportunities and if it had been a labour king's speech today, all of the things we would have had with the things we would have had with the biggest improvement in employment rights in a generation so that families can put it effectively because they're not stuck in zero—hours contracts. they're paid fair wages with living wage and those of the sort of policy that will make a real difference not sticking plasters but real differences to family finances. let me ask about calling for a ceasefire, obviously some of your supporters, some of your colleagues on the shadow front bench would like a ceasefire between —— ceasefire between israel and gaza and you have said is well has to carry out its operation within gaza within international law. from what you are seeing, is it carrying out the operation within international law? i'm deeply disturbed by the scale of civilian casualties, particularly the number of children and the stark warning from the un we are seeing today. acknowledged that for israel this is fiendishly difficult because you have hamas that embeds itself civilian population using buildings like schools and hospitals as bunkers to hide within. that is really difficult. is bunkers to hide within. that is really difficult.— really difficult. is it within international _ really difficult. is it within international law? - really difficult. is it within international law? i- really difficult. is it within | international law? i would really difficult. is it within i international law? i would urge israel, international law? i would urge israel. the _ international law? i would urge israel, the labour _ international law? i would urge israel, the labour party - international law? i would urge israel, the labour party would | international law? i would urge i israel, the labour party would urge israel, the labour party would urge israel to remain within international law... . ., ,~' international law... and asking if it is from what _ international law... and asking if it is from what you _ international law... and asking if it is from what you have - international law... and asking if it is from what you have seen. i l it is from what you have seen. i think to be honest, we will have to see as the facts emerged that the book hang on, the un says it's breaking international law, amnesty international says it is, the red cross says it is. and israel needs to act within international law... they are organisations saying it is breaking it. they are organisations saying it is breaking it— they are organisations saying it is breakin: it. ., , ., , breaking it. accusations need to be ro erl breaking it. accusations need to be properly investigated. _ breaking it. accusations need to be properly investigated. and - breaking it. accusations need to be properly investigated. and i - breaking it. accusations need to be properly investigated. and i think. properly investigated. and i think particularly when it comes to accusations for example of use of white phosphorus which is prohibited under international law, when it comes to specific targets, schools and hospitals, they are protected under international law point of the complication in international law comes in when hamas are using those buildings as facilities to launch attacks but in terms of the scale of civilian loss of life i understand why people are calling for an immediate ceasefire but we have to be realistic about this, when you have hamas that is threatening to carry out the same sort of attacks again and again, and an israeli government that says we have to take out hamas, we will not see a ceasefire soon enough to save lives. humanitarian causes could save lives in a way it did just the other night whenjordan did an air drop of aid income is well ceasefire, hamas ceasefire, overnight to get it in that the practical difference that can be made not a panacea but the immediate humanitarian response that the people of gaza desperately need. thank you very much for being with us. a month on from the hamas attack which killed 1,400 israelis, people across the country have gathered to honour those murdered on october 7th in their communities. israel says that 2a2 people are still held hostage by hamas, which is proscribed by as a terrorist organisation by the uk and other governments. the world health organisation said this evening said that the level of death and suffering in this conflict is "hard to fathom". the organisation said that on average, 160 children are being killed in gaza every day. israel says its military action is necessary to eliminate hamas. and the idf says that it has destroyed 100 hamas tunnel shafts in the last month. but amid renewed international calls for a ceasefire, the israeli prime minister suggested he would consider "tactical little pauses". he also said that israel would have "overall security responsibility" for the gaza strip after the fighting for "an indefinite period". joe inwood has been to kfar azar — a kibbutz where hamas killed more than 100 residents and took others hostage. here's his report — and a warning, it does include images some viewers may find upsetting. a month has passed since hamas tore through this rural community, but very little has changed in kfar aza. for now, it stands as a monument to a massacre that has shaken israeli society to its foundations. we're just a couple of kilometres away from the border with gaza. there's outgoing artillery all the time. and this is one of the kibbutzes, one of the communities that was worst hit on october the 7th. more than 100 people died here in this community. now, of course, the bodies have been taken away, but you can still see the remnants of their lives all around. the sign says peace now. this was a community where many had sympathy for the plight of the palestinians. but the events of last month seem to have fundamentally altered the way many israelis think, and their military is now committed to destroying hamas entirely. it's for the betterment of their civilians and ours. it's a hard price to pay. as we can hear. the one thing we're committed to doing is to destroy them. nothing is going to be possible if that doesn't happen, nothing. none of these steps, none of this anything else. and is the price that we're seeing, we're hearing, being paid by civilians, as you know, innocent civilians and gaza ns? is that a price that israel is willing to accept? i'm not willing to accept or take, or try tojustify the death of any civilian. i think it's horrific. i see a child, a parent. i see the tv as well from their side. i think it's horrific. i take a deep breath and i understand that the only way that this isn't going to happen again is by destroying hamas. it's a horrible, horrible situation to be in. i don't want to, no israeli wants to be here. those words will be difficult for dr eyad shakura to hear. he was working in nasser hospital when he learned his two children, his mother, his brothers, their wives and their children were killed in an air strike. translation: what did | these children do wrong? what crime did they commit to deserve tonnes of bombs on their heads, tonnes of explosives on their heads? they were in khan younis in the south of the gaza strip, where many had fled for safety. israel accuses hamas of using civilians as human shields, of firing rockets from densely populated areas, of inviting death on their own people. but there is growing international criticism of the way israel is fighting this war. nothing justifies the horror being endured by the civilians in gaza. people in gaza are dying in their thousands and those alive are suffering from trauma, disease, lack of food and water. the level of death and suffering is hard to fathom. but those criticisms are seemingly not deterring israel from its chosen path. tonight, prime minister benjamin netanyahu said there would be no ceasefire until the hostages were released. a month on, the families of those hostages gathered in central tel aviv. this is a country still in shock and mourning. some use art to process their trauma. it's not only the attack, it's the every day in here for a month and even before. i have three siblings that are serving the army. and those days, for me, it's, my heart is breaking every single day. and it's notjust the friends and it's notjust one specific event. it's every day, every hour, and it's every person in here, i can tell you have a story, everyone. it was an outburst of violence one month ago today that reignited this conflict and brought these families to this square. but it has unleashed pain on hundreds of thousands more in the weeks since, many of them suffering and dying in the dark. lord mark malloch brown is the former deputy secretary general of the united nations. in terms of the organisation you run at the moment, tell us about that. open society foundation is the largest funder of human democracy and human rights and we do not in occupied palestinian territories and in israel. �* , ., occupied palestinian territories and in israel. . ., ., occupied palestinian territories and in israel. ., ., ., in israel. and you are calling for a humanitarian _ in israel. and you are calling for a humanitarian ceasefire _ in israel. and you are calling for a humanitarian ceasefire and - in israel. and you are calling for a humanitarian ceasefire and it i in israel. and you are calling for a humanitarian ceasefire and it is i humanitarian ceasefire and it is clear from what the israeli prime minister said that at the moment until the hostages are released anyway there will be nothing more than a short pause for aid. it would alwa s be than a short pause for aid. it would always be a — than a short pause for aid. it would always be a matter _ than a short pause for aid. it would always be a matter of _ than a short pause for aid. it would always be a matter of not - than a short pause for aid. it would always be a matter of not if - than a short pause for aid. it would always be a matter of not if but i always be a matter of not if but when. i was deputy secretary general of the un when the israelis went into southern lebanon and were equally insistent that they be given time to eliminate hezbollah and yet again the british and american supported them in that demand. within months they were at the door of the un asking for un peacekeepers so they can exit. these are not problems that ultimately can be solved by military means alone. these are militant movements deeply embedded in the local communities, not necessarily having the support of those communities but very much intertwined and hard to dig out militarily. so ultimately this will end in the question is will it end soon with a lot of lives that otherwise could be lost saved or does israel and its allies need to learn the hard way that again one day they will need ceasefire, peacekeepers and some kind of political process. did peacekeepers and some kind of political process.— peacekeepers and some kind of political process. did you see the interview with _ political process. did you see the interview with the _ political process. did you see the interview with the hamas - political process. did you see the interview with the hamas official| interview with the hamas official last week who made it absolutely clear that they would hit israel again and again and again, a second, afourth time. again and again and again, a second, a fourth time-— a fourth time. whether it is done militarily or— a fourth time. whether it is done militarily or politically _ a fourth time. whether it is done militarily or politically hamas i militarily or politically hamas needs to be neutralised as a military force.— needs to be neutralised as a military force. needs to be neutralised as a milita force. ., ., ., ., military force. how do you do that? there have — military force. how do you do that? there have been _ military force. how do you do that? there have been several _ military force. how do you do that? there have been several other- military force. how do you do that? | there have been several other ways of doing that rather than just beating the last one to the ground. several times palestinian military leaderships have been taken out of the region, they have a horrible habit of coming back because of the absence of a final political two state solution. but you've got to use both the tools of diplomacy and military action but not compromise on basic points which is that israel must be guaranteed as security, it should not be subject to attacks like this. should not be sub'ect to attacks like this. �* should not be sub'ect to attacks like this. . ., , , ., should not be sub'ect to attacks like this. . .,, i. ,, ., , should not be sub'ect to attacks like this. . ,, ., , like this. and as you know they say the only way _ like this. and as you know they say the only way that _ like this. and as you know they say the only way that they _ like this. and as you know they say the only way that they can - like this. and as you know they say i the only way that they can guarantee security for the people is left hamas no longer exists. 3�*5 security for the people is left hamas no longer exists. 75 years of t in: to hamas no longer exists. 75 years of trying to military — hamas no longer exists. 75 years of trying to military eliminate - hamas no longer exists. 75 years of trying to military eliminate the i trying to military eliminate the enemies has not been hugely successful. the enemy grows back because the kind of yearning of the palestinians for some kind of political solution to the 75—year—old plight is not going to go away and so this was 9—11 to the power of goodness knows how many times, traumatic for every israeli and tragic for everyone around the world who grieves for those lives lost on october the 7th but do not give in to blind range, find a solution to this which employs not just a military approach but a diplomatic one as well. and which recognises the history of this conflict. you cannot solve itjust by military means. we have seen that tried and tried again.— tried and tried again. when you hear the israeli prime _ tried and tried again. when you hear the israeli prime minister— tried and tried again. when you hear the israeli prime minister saying i the israeli prime minister saying that israel will take overall responsibility for security in gaza for some time, what do you take that to mean? in for some time, what do you take that to mean? , . for some time, what do you take that to mean? . , ., , to mean? in the past in recent years that has meant _ to mean? in the past in recent years that has meant a _ to mean? in the past in recent years that has meant a security _ to mean? in the past in recent years that has meant a security perimeter| that has meant a security perimeter rather than an actual intervention into gaza which has proved too dangerous is a long—term deployment for israeli troops and we'll have to see whether again it means i will force border because remember, a lot of the responsibility for, are part of the responsibility for, are part of the responsibility for, are part of the responsibility for the 7th of october was the breakdown of israel's and security which did not live up to the expectations of its own military leaders are citizens. so part of what he means is making sure they are not caught again like that. whether or not it means actual deployment long—term of israeli troops inside gaza i think is much more questionable because even to prevail in this military face