Rainfall. But indications are that temperatures will be in the low to mid 20s for most parts of the uk. Thanks, helen. Now here, at the Tory Party Conference in manchester, the government appears to have lost control of the messaging on high speed rail to manchester. Were live from the conservative Party Conference here in manchester, where ministers keep repeating, when asked what the decision is on hs2, there are spades in the ground. Have you got any idea whats happening on hs2 . Have you got any idea whats happening on h52 . Have you got any idea whats happening on h52 . Happening on hst . Jeremy has ust discovered happening on h52 . Jeremy has ust discovered a happening on h52 . Jeremy has ust discovered a stonking i happening on h52 . Jeremy has ust discovered a stonking speech. H here for the government is treasury minister Gareth Davies. Also at conference today, the former pm liz truss, whose government this time a year ago was imploding, is urging her successor to cut the highest tax burden weve had for 70 years. Well talk to a tory mp who agrees with her. And, as tory members tell me theyre quietly optimistic about conservative chances at the next election, well chew things over with our panel justine greening, a former cabinet minister who signed off on hs2, robert colville, one of the authors of the tories 2019 manifesto, and aleeta adu of the guardian. The optics of the Governing Party holding its annual conference in the city where a high speed line is supposed to reach, but appears like it might not now, isnt great. Government ministers today have been keen to focus on the success they are having in bringing inflation down and, each time hs2 is mentioned, they say, weve got spades in the ground. Outside the Conference Hall, the conservative mayor of the West Midlands, andy street, gave An Impromptu Press c0 nfe re nce. He was quietly furious. His message . The pm should not give up on hs2 from birmingham to manchester but instead radically rehink how we build it and embrace, as he put it, the private sector. Nick, whats happening . It looks very much like we are going to be saying farewell to the second leg of hs2. That is the line from birmingham to manchester. It looks like we may well be seeing that as soon as wednesday, when rishi sunak will be delivering his main speech to conference in manchester. Before we look at that, lets look at what Downing Street has been saying for the night, they are saying what they can say all day since these reports first emerged, that these reports are incorrect, no final decisions have been taken on phase two of hs2. That message was echoed to me when i caught up earlier with mel stride, they work and pensions secretary, who is very close to rishi sunak. Oh, hello. Were in manchester. We are. Hs2� s second leg. Not going to happen, is it . Well, we havent made any announcements. Not going to comment on hs2. Ive just heard a brilliant speech by the chancellor of the exchequer on how were going to grow the economy. Im giving my speech in a minute about reform. In light of that, why are we reporting on that . I think that number ten statement is designed to say, this is not a done deal now because it hasnt had cabinet sign off but i think we can expect that. To give you a flavour, i caught up with a minister in a department who would know whats going on and they adopted a very House Of Cards voice and the minister said, nicholas, you might say it will all happen on wednesday. Talking to another source who had been pretty close to the decision making, they gave me a flavour of what the Prime Minister is likely to say, and they are saying they think it will be a positive message, an upbeat message about transport. The Prime Minister will say, look, we can reallocate resources to roads, we can reallocate them to buses and have an impact right now rather than waiting for years and decades down the line and not giving up on rail. It may well be we will hear favourable comments about the north and powerhouse rail, the rail line that is meant to be going from leeds to liverpool. It was around lunchtime when reports began circulating that the pm had made up his mindon hs2. And joe headed out into conference. Any idea whats happening on hs2 . Do you know if a decision has been made on the northern leg . Does anyone know . Party conferences was supported whose authority. Hello, mr cleverly. Have you heard the hs2 news . Is it right to scrap the northern leg . I news . Is it right to scrap the northern leg . News . Is it right to scrap the northern leg . Politicians northern leg . I havent. Politicians roectina northern leg . I havent. Politicians prejecting power northern leg . I havent. Politicians projecting power. Do northern leg . I havent. Politicians projecting power. Do you northern leg . I havent. Politicians projecting power. Do you have northern leg . I havent. Politicians projecting power. Do you have any| projecting power. Do you have any idea whats happening on hs2 . Projecting power. Do you have any idea whats happening on h52 . Jeremy has ust idea whats happening on h52 . Jeremy has just delivered idea whats happening on h52 . Jeremy hasjust delivered a idea whats happening on h52 . Jeremy hasjust delivered a stonking idea whats happening on hsz . Irrn hasjust delivered a stonking speech has just delivered a stonking speech that conference is very happy with. After reports the pm had been decisive in scrapping the northern leg, is cabinet minister didnt seem chauffeured up as a decision be made . , �. ,. ,. ,. , chauffeured up as a decision be made . ,. ,. ,. , made . Youll have to wait and see. Would be positive made . Youll have to wait and see. Would be positive if made . Youll have to wait and see. Would be positive if the made . Youll have to wait and see. Would be positive if the northern i would be positive if the northern leg was scrapped . Or would be positive if the northern leg was scrapped . Would be positive if the northern leg was scrapped . Or matters are bein leg was scrapped . Or matters are being discussed leg was scrapped . Or matters are being discussed by leg was scrapped . Or matters are being discussed by the leg was scrapped . Or matters are i being discussed by the government and ministers in the usual way and and ministers in the usual way and an announcement will be made at the right time. Plaque can uncertainty to dip Downing Street insisted no decision had been made. Decision had been made. Whats ha enin decision had been made. Whats happening to decision had been made. Whats happening to h52 . Decision had been made. Whats happening to h52 . And decision had been made. Whats happening to h52 . And the decision had been made. Whats happening to h52 . And the minister happening to hs2 . And the minister for hs2 didnt want to chat. When you stay in yourjob if the northern leg of hs2 is scrapped . Im you stay in yourjob if the northern leg of h52 is scrapped . You stay in yourjob if the northern leg of h52 is scrapped . Im happy in m Ob Leg Of H52 is scrapped . Im happy in m 0b and leg of h52 is scrapped . Im happy in my job and i leg of h52 is scrapped . Im happy in my job and i enjoy leg of h52 is scrapped . Im happy in my job and i enjoy most myjob and i enjoy most aspects, apart from this sort of thing. You cant confirm apart from this sort of thing. You cant confirm a apart from this sort of thing. You cant confirm a decision has been made . Its cant confirm a decision has been made . ,,. ,. , cant confirm a decision has been made . ,. ,. ,. , made . Its speculation, No Announcement made . Its speculation, No Announcement has made . Its speculation, No Announcement has been l made . Its speculation, No Announcement has been made so i cant comment. Announcement has been made so i cant comment cant comment. Across the centre, the man beating cant comment. Across the centre, the man beating the cant comment. Across the centre, the man beating the campaign cant comment. Across the centre, the man beating the campaign against this move was seething. Leading the campaign to stop what do you make of this . Im the campaign to stop what do you make of this . Make of this . Im really disappointed make of this . Im really disappointed for make of this . Im really disappointed for the make of this . Im really disappointed for the country and make of this . Im really disappointed for the country and for people and communities in the north of england. We look like we are going to lose hs2 to birmingham and also Northern Powerhouse rail, so that the line from liverpool and warrington across to leeds and the north east, so looking back to this Prime Minister does commitments, he said to me when i first met him when he was a backbencher that his mission in politics was to deliver that new line across the pennines and he would be the Prime Minister that destroys it, notjust for this generation but many generations to come, and puts back the cause of levelling up, of genuinely closing the north south divide for 100 years. The northsouth divide for 100 ears. �. ,. ,. , years. But there are many here who think rishi sunak years. But there are many here who think rishi sunak is years. But there are many here who think rishi sunak is on years. But there are many here who think rishi sunak is on the years. But there are many here who think rishi sunak is on the right think rishi sunak is on the right track. Is it officially scrapped . We dont track. Is it officially scrapped . Dont know. I think hsz is a white dont know. I think hs2 is a white elephant. I think that money could be better spent on other things than a project which was initially supposed to cut 32 billion and is now projected to cut 180 billion, and the people i represent in the north would suggest that could be spent on other priorities which would make a bigger difference to their lives. The would make a bigger difference to their lives. , would make a bigger difference to their lives. ,. ,. , their lives. The last few hours have seemed chaotic, their lives. The last few hours have seemed chaotic, confusing their lives. The last few hours have seemed chaotic, confusing as their lives. The last few hours have| seemed chaotic, confusing as much for ministers as everybody else. Some polls suggest hs2 isnt very popular, especially taking into account the overspend, but the rampant speculation about this decision, especially considering how it affects the city, has made the Conference Look anything but calm and controlled. If this is the end of the line for hs2s northern leg, the government is likely to spend the government is likely to spend the money saved on roads and bus networks and, even at the station that would have an effect, opinions are missed. What do you make of it . Where is the money . Im from newcastle. Its not coming up there, so. � , newcastle. Its not coming up there, so. � ,. , newcastle. Its not coming up there, so. , newcastle. Its not coming up there, so. Its appalling to dip where is the money so. Its appalling to dip where is the money going . So. Its appalling to dip where is the money going . We so. Its appalling to dip where is the money going . We pay so. Its appalling to dip where is the money going . We pay tax so. Its appalling to dip where is the money going . We pay tax in l the money going . We pay tax in this countrx the money going . We pay tax in this country. Rishi sunak isnt very transparent. Country. Rishi sunak isnt very transnarent country. Rishi sunak isnt very transparent. Country. Rishi sunak isnt very transarent. , ~ , transparent. You think it should be built. Definitely. Transparent. You think it should be built. Definitely. It transparent. You think it should be built. Definitely. It would transparent. You think it should be built. Definitely. It would bring built. Definitely. It would bring trade and tourism. Built. Definitely. It would bring trade and tourism. The built. Definitely. It would bring trade and tourism. The Uncertainty Led to impromptu trade and tourism. The Uncertainty Led to Impromptu Press Trade and tourism. The uncertainty. Led to impromptu Press Conferences by the conservative mayor of West Midlands and the labour mayor of greater manchester. It midlands and the labour mayor of greater manchester. Greater manchester. It makes me desair greater manchester. It makes me despair about greater manchester. It makes me despair about politics greater manchester. It makes me despair about politics in greater manchester. It makes me despair about politics in this despair about politics in this country for its dysfunctional. There is no proper way of doing things any more, things are tossed on social media when you would think, wouldnt you, that the leaders of a city region like this should be told whats going on. Its no way to run a country, no way to run a government. Long term decisions for a brighterfuture, honestly . Dont make me laugh. If they stand in front of that slogan after pulling the plug on a rail infrastructure, i think the north will say, you can just tear that up. Is think the north will say, you can just tear that up. Think the north will say, you can just tear that up. Is the holdup on rishi sunak just tear that up. Is the holdup on rishi sunak Decision Just tear that up. Is the holdup on Rishi Sunak Decision risks just tear that up. Is the holdup on Rishi Sunak Decision risks derailing j Rishi Sunak Decision risks derailing his first and possibly last conference as conservative leader. Weary west coast travellers may yet again experience a long delay followed by cancellation. Lets talk now to Gareth Davies, here on behalf of the government, hes the exchequer Secretary To The Treasury. Good evening. Its no way to treat the north of england, is it . The north of england, is it . Weve invested nearly the north of england, is it . Weve invested nearly £3 the north of england, is it . Weve invested nearly £3 billion the north of england, is it . Weve invested nearly £3 billion in the north of england, is it . Weve invested nearly £3 billion in the i invested nearly £3 billion in the Transport Network of the north of england. Its £33 billion of investment in the Transport Network of the north of england. And its notjust of the north of england. And its not just about transportation, levelling up, its about funding our towns and the City Of Manchester and other cities in the north of england which are powering at investing business investment. That is what is critical to powering up the north of england. Critical to powering up the north of encland. � ,. , critical to powering up the north of encland. � ,. ,. , i. England. Lets not waste your time or our viewers england. Lets not waste your time or our viewers on england. Lets not waste your time or our viewers on speculation. Or our viewers on speculation. Lets spoke about what we do know strip we know the costs are out of control, because the chancellor said so, those are his words. The government is in charge of hs2. Why havent you controlled the costs . Whenever you have a major infrastructure project, you are going to see significant cost outlay. We knew it was going to be expensive at the outset. Whats happened over the years is those costs have become significantly higher. Costs have become significantly hither. �. , costs have become significantly hither. � ,. , � higher. Im asking why you havent controlled them. Higher. Im asking why you havent controlled them. H52 higher. Im asking why you havent controlled them. H52 limited higher. Im asking why you havent controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge of controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge of h52 controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge of h52 and, controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge of h52 and, as controlled them. H52 limited have been in charge of h52 and, as you | been in charge of hs2 and, as you know, we had different administrations over the years. Of all conservative governments. I thick it is important that we stress that, when we are dealing with taxpayer money, its right we review how that money is being spent and whether projects still offer value for money. No decision has been taken. ,. , � ,. ,. , taken. You dont expect us to believe that taken. You dont expect us to believe that at taken. You dont expect us to believe that at this taken. You dont expect us to believe that at this point, taken. You dont expect us to believe that at this point, do | taken. You dont expect us to believe that at this point, do you . Im going on what you have, the clear statement from number ten which said they dont recognise the Media Speculation and a decision has not been taken. You Media Speculation and a decision has not been taken. Not been taken. You say its down to hs2 limited not been taken. You say its down to hsz limited but, not been taken. You say its down to h52 limited but, daytoday, not been taken. You say its down to h52 limited but, daytoday, the i hs2 limited but, day to day, the government interests, Taxpayer Interests are handled by officials interests are handled by officials in the department for transport, and every single month the Transport Secretary gets a monthly report from Hsz Secretary gets a monthly report from hs2 limited which includes the actual cost and the anticipated final cost compared to the baseline and the budget. So one of the conclusions must be that costs are out of control because you have let them get out of control. I out of control because you have let them get out of control. Them get out of control. I think there are them get out of control. I think there are different them get out of control. I think there are different factors them get out of control. I think there are different factors to i there are different factors to consider when you are looking at a major infrastructure project, not lead to supply chain costs, and we know inflation has been significantly higher over the last year, that is to contribute infected without a doubt. Speak to anybody in construction and you hear that, that material costs alone have a significant factor. We have also had labour factors. Significant factor. We have also had labourfactors. Its not as significant factor. We have also had labour factors. Its not as simple as youre suggesting. There are lots of factors. Its a major, Computer Project that needs reviewing on a continual basis. Plan, im not suggesting it simple. What im suggesting is rishi sunak, for example, was chancellor from suggesting is rishi sunak, for example, was Chancellorfrom Fabry 2020, three years ago for trip every month somebody in government looks at these costs. Youve allowed it to get the point at which you are about to scrap it, it would appear. Rishi sunak� s finca brits are all over this. Sunaks finca brits are all over this. ,. ,. , sunaks finca brits are all over this. ,. ,. , sunaks finca brits are all over this. ,. ,. ,. ,~ sunaks finca brits are all over this. ,. ,. ,. This. No decision has been taken. We dont recognise this. No decision has been taken. We dont recognise the this. No decision has been taken. We dont recognise the reports this. No decision has been taken. We dont recognise the reports in this. No decision has been taken. We dont recognise the reports in the dont recognise the reports in the media and we would just stress that levelling up the north of england is more than about transport, its more than about rail. People used buses that have different modes of transportation. I understand what you want to talk about hs2 tonight but here at the conference we have actually been talking about lots of other things, actually been talking about lots of otherthings, not least actually been talking about lots of other things, not least the number one challenge we have in the economy, bringing down inflation and making sure we can grow our economy and standing up for the interests of the british people. The british people. When andy street, a conservative the british people. When andy street, a conservative mayor i the british people. When andyl street, a conservative mayor of the british people. When andy street, a conservative mayor of West Midlands, described today as the poster boy of levelling up, says, if you tear the International Community you tear the International Community you are going to do something, you have to stick to your word, arent you worried . I have to stick to your word, arent you worried . You worried . I have tremendous resect you worried . I have tremendous reapect for you worried . I have tremendous reapect for andy you worried . I have tremendous respect for andy street, you worried . I have tremendous respect for andy street, who is l you worried . I have tremendous| respect for andy street, who is a fantastic mayor of the wet missions but, as your piece showed, there are differing views on this major infrastructure project. We heard ben hatcher offering a different view. We are ensuring that we assess these projects for value for money at every step and thats whats going on at the moment. You every step and thats whats going on at the moment. Every step and thats whats going on at the moment. You are increasing the minimum on at the moment. You are increasing the minimum wage on at the moment. You are increasing the minimum wage to on at the moment. You are increasing the minimum wage to £11 on at the moment. You are increasing the minimum wage to £11 and on at the moment. You are increasing l the minimum wage to £11 and changing the minimum wage to £11 and changing the way sanctions work on some of those in receipt of benefits to get them to find a job more quickly. The evidence suggests sanctions dont work and let me quote from the Dwp Report On Sanctions published this year to a sanction leads the average claim at exit less quickly into paye earnings and to earn less upon exiting the in other words, sanctions lead to people taking longer to get a job and, when they do, they earn less. This longer to get a job and, when they do, they earn less. Do, they earn less. This is a piece of work treasury do, they earn less. This is a piece of work treasury have do, they earn less. This is a piece of work treasury have ongoing. Do, they earn less. This is a piece l of work treasury have ongoing with the dwp. This is under review and we are looking at it closely. Do you accept sanctions dont achieve. I havent read that report. That is part of the review that is going on, but the main point is that we want to ensure we continue to have a very strong employment market. We have put Record Levels of unemployment, high levels of payroll, but there are elements to our employment market, jobs market, where there are things we need to tackle, long term sickness for one, and we want to ensure, when people can work, they do work and, when they do work, we want to support them with a pay rise to the increase the chancellor announced today in the National Living wage, we say we will wait for the recommendations of the peabody that we look at, but we will increase that to at least £11, which ensures that we send a message to the British Public that we value work and they should, too. I want to ask you something mark harper said. I want to ask you something mark harpersaid. He i want to ask you something mark harper said. He said, i want to ask you something mark harpersaid. He said, about 15 minute cities, he said what is sinister is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops. Which council is proposing that they will decide how often people can go to the shops . Im afraid i missed that speech i will have to look into why he said that. ~. Will have to look into why he said that. ,. ,. , will have to look into why he said that. ,. ,. , � that. We have searched and we cant cant find a that. We have searched and we cant cant find a council that. We have searched and we cant cant find a Council Proposing that. We have searched and we cant cant find a Council Proposing that. I cant find a Council Proposing that. After 13 years in power since 2010, what would you do with another five years . I what would you do with another five ears . ~. What would you do with another five ears . ~. ,. ,. ,. Years . I think we have set out today at the conference years . I think we have set out today at the conference that years . I think we have set out today at the conference that we years . I think we have set out today at the conference that we have years . I think we have set out today at the conference that we have been the government who has overseen an inheritance on the economy of no money left, we have had a situation where we have faced two major global shocks in a pandemic and an Energy Crisis and we have the British Public� s back. We have intervened in both of those problems. That publics back. We have intervened in both of those problems. Both of those problems. That is the ast . Both of those problems. That is the past . Based both of those problems. That is the past . Based on both of those problems. That is the past . Based on that, both of those problems. That is the past . Based on that, we both of those problems. That is the past . Based on that, we have both of those problems. That is the l past . Based on that, we have shown we can govern past . Based on that, we have shown we can govern. 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We have seen this year alone that the ifm, the obr and the Bank Of England have upgraded their Growth Estimates for the united kingdom, because of the interventions we have made. It is in Lane Art Interventions we have made. It is in large part why interventions we have made. It is in large part why we interventions we have made. It is in large part why we have interventions we have made. It is in large part why we have the interventions we have made. It is in large part why we have the highest| large part why we have the highest tax burden now for 70 years. I think our tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers would tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers would say tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers would say it tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers would say it was tax burden now for 70 years. I think your viewers would say it was rightl your viewers would say it was right that we stepped in to support businesses and families and businesses and families and businesses during the pandemic. But during the energy spike, we spend a0 billion last year, so governments there to protect people during really meaningful global shocks and we have had two of them in the last three years, all i have been new member of parliament. Going forward, we want, we do want to look to the future and that is why we have outlined once we have control of inflation we can start to grow our economy and looking at the technologies of future, we have an ai summit coming up, we have been clear we want the uk to be the Silicon Valley of this part of world and im confident that by investing in new technology and the working workforce of the future we can grow our economy into the future and maintain a strong employment track record. If maintain a strong employment track record. ,. , �. , maintain a strong employment track record. �. ,. ,. , record. If youre who wants lower taxes and record. If youre who wants lower taxes and net record. If youre who wants lower taxes and net migration, record. If youre who wants lower taxes and net migration, both. Record. If youre who wants lower taxes and net migration, both at| taxes and net migration, both at Record Levels, why would you vote conservative . Record levels, why would you vote conservative . � ,. , conservative . Because we have been clear we want conservative . Because we have been clear we want to conservative . Because we have been clear we want to bring conservative . Because we have been clear we want to bring down conservative . Because we have been clear we want to bring down taxes. I clear we want to bring down taxes. Everybody wants to bring down taxes. Im not sure they do. You everybody wants to bring down taxes. Im not sure they do. Im not sure they do. You have got to ut im not sure they do. You have got to put your im not sure they do. You have got to put your money im not sure they do. You have got to put your money where im not sure they do. You have got to put your money where your im not sure they do. You have got i to put your money where your mouth is. You saying you want to bring down taxes doesnt make it happen. Look at your record highest record tax burden. Look at your record highest record tax burden tax burden. Because we have intervened tax burden. Because we have intervened in tax burden. Because we have intervened in the tax burden. Because we have intervened in the pandemic. Tax burden. Because we have i intervened in the pandemic and tax burden. Because we have intervened in the pandemic and the Energy Crisis, but we have brought people out of paying any tax. You can earn £1,000 without paying tax. And we have the Lowest Corporation Tax and one of the most generous Allowances Systems in the ocd when we can we will bring taxes down, but we can we will bring taxes down, but we have to maintain that reputation of responsible finances. That differentiates the conservative prs the opposition. Tithing differentiates the conservative prs the opposition the opposition. Only a year ago a conservative the opposition. Only a year ago a conservative prime the opposition. Only a year ago a conservative Prime Minister the opposition. Only a year ago a conservative Prime Minister was| conservative Prime Minister was imploding after that mini budget, you dont think people have forgotten that . You dont think people have foraotten that . ,. , forgotten that . People are looking at what we are forgotten that . People are looking at what we are doing forgotten that . People are looking at what we are doing now forgotten that . People are looking at what we are doing now and forgotten that . People are looking at what we are doing now and in i forgotten that . People are looking. At what we are doing now and in the future and i have every confidence that people will recognise that we stepped in the most dark period of our country in years and we have plans for the future that can inspire many people. Plans for the future that can inspire many people. Thank you very much for being inspire many people. Thank you very much for being with inspire many people. Thank you very much for being with us. Well you had to move away from the main Conference Hall here to get to where the action of the day was taking place. There were queues to get into a packed fringe event by former Prime Minister liz truss earlier a little more than a year after her mini budget spooked the economic markets and led to her resignation. In her only public appearance at this conference, truss called for tax cuts, a new House Building programme and the return of fracking. Heres nick. In the shadow of a manchester icon, the conservatives gather. Calmer than last year when the liz Truss Leadership started to implode. A perfect cue in the eyes of some for the return to the limelight of the ex Prime Minister. Admirers, like mighty parliamentarians rallying for low taxes and deregulating the economy. Low taxes and deregulating the econom. ~ low taxes and deregulating the econom. ,, low taxes and deregulating the econom. ,, low taxes and deregulating the econom. , economy. When businesses are able to. For economy. When businesses are able to forthis economy. When businesses are able to. For this former economy. When businesses are able to. For this former prime to. For this former Prime Minister. To. For this former Prime Minister, not to. For this former Prime Minister, not going to. For this former prime | minister, not going quietly. To. For this former Prime Minister, not going quietly. Lets be prepared minister, not going quietly. Lets be prepared to minister, not going quietly. Lets be prepared to make minister, not going quietly. Let� s be prepared to make conservative arguments again, even if it is unpopular and difficult. I want everyone in this room to unleash their inner conservative. And finally, my friends, lets make britain grow again. Thank you. Applause adoration, but control. Liz truss, quite a turnout. Is this party going your way . Quite a turnout. Is this party going yourway . Is quite a turnout. Is this party going your way . Is it coming back your way . Sirjacob rees mogg. Quite a turn out. Way . Sirjacob rees mogg. Quite a turn out. ,. ,. , way . Sirjacob rees mogg. Quite a turn out. , , way . Sirjacob rees mogg. Quite a turn out do way . Sirjacob rees mogg. Quite a turn out. Do you l turn out. Very good, yes. Do you think the party turn out. Very good, yes. Do you think the party is turn out. Very good, yes. Do you think the party is coming turn out. Very good, yes. Do you think the party is coming back i turn out. Very good, yes. Do you think the party is coming back to | think the party is coming back to the liz truss way or maybe it never left the liz truss way . I the liz truss way or maybe it never left the liz truss way . Left the liz truss way . I think the conservative left the liz truss way . I think the conservative partys left the liz truss way . I think the conservative partys always left the liz truss way . I think the i conservative partys always believed in low taxation and regulation and thatis in low taxation and regulation and that is what the Prime Minister is doing as well. He is cutting green regulation and regulation on the motorist. So this what is you would expect at a conservative event. I5 expect at a conservative event. Is today about Helping Rishi Sunak Win the election . I today about Helping Rishi Sunak Win the election . The election . I want us to win the election. The election . I want us to win the election i the election . I want us to win the election. I dont the election . I want us to win the election. I dont want the election . I want us to win the election. I dont want to the election . I want us to win the election. I dont want to see the election . I want us to win the election. I dont want to see a i election. Idont want to see a labour election. I dont want to see a labour government. I want to see us coming labour government. I want to see us coming together to win the election. And i. Coming together to win the election. And i. You coming together to win the election. And i, you have heard me speak about taxation. And i, you have heard me speak about taxation, that will only go up under a labour taxation, that will only go up under a labour government. You can anticipate a labour government. You can anticipate my next point, or is it laying anticipate my next point, or is it laying for anticipate my next point, or is it laying for the next conservative leadership contest. I want us to win the election. The leadership contest. I want us to win the election the election. The queue is extraordinary, the election. The queue is extraordinary, because i the election. The queue is| extraordinary, because she the election. The queue is i extraordinary, because she is talking extraordinary, because she is talking the extraordinary, because she is talking the language extraordinary, because she is talking the language of extraordinary, because she is talking the language of tax i extraordinary, because she is i talking the language of tax cuts extraordinary, because she is talking the language of tax cuts and these talking the language of tax cuts and these are talking the language of tax cuts and these are the talking the language of tax cuts and these are the people talking the language of tax cuts and these are the people that talking the language of tax cuts and these are the people that voted i talking the language of tax cuts and these are the people that voted forl these are the people that voted for her to these are the people that voted for her to become these are the people that voted for her to become leader. These are the people that voted for her to become leader. And these are the people that voted for her to become leader. And withoutj her to become leader. And without them her to become leader. And without them being her to become leader. And without them being asked her to become leader. And without them being asked again, her to become leader. And without them being asked again, she her to become leader. And without them being asked again, she was i them being asked again, she was removed them being asked again, she was removed you them being asked again, she was removed. You can them being asked again, she was removed. You can can them being asked again, she was removed. You can can see them being asked again, she was removed. You can can see there i them being asked again, she was| removed. You can can see there is them being asked again, she was i removed. You can can see there is a sense removed. You can can see there is a sense of removed. You can can see there is a sense ofanger removed. You can can see there is a sense of anger here. Removed. You can can see there is a sense of anger here. But removed. You can can see there is a sense of anger here. Sense of anger here. But not universal sense of anger here. But not universal acclaim. Sense of anger here. But not universal acclaim. What i sense of anger here. But not universal acclaim. What do l sense of anger here. But not i universal acclaim. What do you think . It universal acclaim. What do you think . ,. ,. , universal acclaim. What do you think . ,. ,. , think . It is dreadful. I really do. Please get think . It is dreadful. I really do. Please get that. Think . It is dreadful. I really do. Please get that. So think . It is dreadful. I really do. Please get that. So many think . It is dreadful. I really do. I please get that. So many people. Spoke are proud politicians. They have been a failure for this country. Have been a failure for this count. � have been a failure for this country have been a failure for this count. � ~ , country. An unlikely pairing, the Man Liz Truss country. An unlikely pairing, the Man Liz Truss appointed country. An unlikely pairing, the Man Liz Truss appointed as i Man Liz Truss appointed as chancellor in the last throw of the dice to save her premiership. That didnt work. Jeremy hunt kept his job and is now in the sights of liz truss supporters. The chancellor refusing to cut taxes. But today, some liz truss language. T0 refusing to cut taxes. But today, some liz truss language. Refusing to cut taxes. But today, some liz truss language. To the mess mists he pessimists some liz truss language. To the mess mists he pessimists we some liz truss language. To the mess mists he pessimists we say some liz truss language. To the mess mists he pessimists we say dont i some liz truss language. To the mess mists he pessimists we say dont bet i mists he pessimists we say dont bet against britain, it has been tried before and it never works. It against britain, it has been tried before and it never works. It was a tale of two before and it never works. It was a tale of two conferences before and it never works. It was a tale of two conferences today, i before and it never works. It was a tale of two conferences today, a i tale of two conferences today, a polite but not rapturous reception for the chancellor on the main conference stage. But down there in the conference hotel, it was packed to the rafters for liz truss and we had the cautious chancellor echoing the approach of the boss and liz truss, she wants to take risks. We have seen that debate before and perhaps we will see it again as this Party Debates its future. The symbol of an industrial giant, the Manchester Bee casting an eye as ghosts of the past attempt to shape the future. Lets talk to conservative mp danny kruger who is on the right of the party and co chair of a group called the new conservatives, and supports liz trusss call for tax cuts. You are sympathetic to the call for tax cuts . � you are sympathetic to the call for tax cuts . , �. ,. , tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would to alon tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would go along with tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would go along with all tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would go along with all the tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would go along with all the proposals i tax cuts . Yes im not sure i would | go along with all the proposals she made, but her essential diagnosis is right, we need to stimulate the economy and get growth and take on the Productivity Challenge that has bedevilled our economy for over a decade. I was struck by what Gareth Davies said about the challenges the government is facing. But he was talking about beating inflation and then growing the economy. I think we need the start growing the economy. That is part of the the answer to the inflation challenge. Ii that is part of the the answer to the inflation challenge. That is part of the the answer to the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts, the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts. Youve the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts, youve got the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts, youve got to the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts, youve got to show the inflation challenge. If you want tax cuts, youve got to show how l the inflation challenge. If you want i tax cuts, youve got to show how you will pay for it. So otherwise you end up Wrecking Confidence in the uk economy as we saw a year ago. How would you pay for tax cuts . Irate economy as we saw a year ago. How would you pay for tax cuts . We have ve little would you pay for tax cuts . We have very little fiscal would you pay for tax cuts . We have very little fiscal room would you pay for tax cuts . We have very little fiscal room at would you pay for tax cuts . We have very little fiscal room at the very little fiscal room at the moment. I would like to see some courage in the Autumn Statement, the new conservatives are putting out a plan tomorrow which suggests, we are arguing for raising the threshold on vat to support small businesses, to help people to take on more workers and grow their businesses, we think there should be support for families and the self employed. These things can be funded through improvements in the way government works. This in the way government works. As similar Prime Minister as that . Youve had 13 years . Similar Prime Minister as that . Youve had 13 years . There have been efficiency savings, youve had 13 years . There have been efficiency savings, £3 youve had 13 years . There have been efficiency savings, £3 billion youve had 13 years . There have been efficiency savings, £3 billion was i efficiency savings, £3 billion was saved byjacob rees mogg. There is a huge waste in the Public Sector and we can improve the efficiency of the system, but we can improve the economy. System, but we can improve the econom. , system, but we can improve the economy system, but we can improve the economy. System, but we can improve the econom. ,. ,. ,. , economy. You should sarah ther than do, ouve economy. You should sarah ther than do. Youve had economy. You should sarah ther than do. Youve had 13 economy. You should sarah ther than do, youve had 13 economy. You should sarah ther than do, youve had 13 you economy. You should sarah ther than do, youve had 13 you should i economy. You should sarah ther than do, youve had 13 you should say l do, youve had 13 you should say rather than do. You have had 13 years. Rather than do. You have had 13 ears. ~. Rather than do. You have had 13 ears. , ,. ,. , rather than do. You have had 13 years. We are encouraging jeremy to make statements years. We are encouraging jeremy to make statements and years. We are encouraging jeremy to make statements and take years. We are encouraging jeremy to make statements and take steps i years. We are encouraging jeremy to | make statements and take steps that will generate growth and generate improvements in tax receipts. Lets improvements in tax receipts. Lets see if ou improvements in tax receipts. Lets see if you agree improvements in tax receipts. Lets see if you agree with improvements in tax receipts. Lets see if you agree with this, improvements in tax receipts. Lets see if you agree with this, the chief Secretary To The Treasury said today you can simultaneously stimulate and growth and bear down on inflation. Is he right . I stimulate and growth and bear down on inflation. Is he right . On inflation. Is he right . I would favour reforms on inflation. Is he right . I would favour reforms that on inflation. Is he right . I would favour reforms that boost. I on inflation. Is he right . I would| favour reforms that boost. Also through tax reform. So if we raise the threshold on vat, we get more people working, we increase the incomes that people are receiving and we create the, improve the capacity and get more people making and doing stuff and we can grow the economy by reducing taxation. That will affect inflation. There is not a huge difference between those of us calling for tax cutses and the government. We realise the reality of situation. We say we can go further and stimulate the productive capacity of the economy to grow incomes for people and go into the election with taxes on the way down. Are you saying to your constituents you would vote against the Autumn Statement if there was any kind of Tax Raising Stuff . Ida statement if there was any kind of taxraising stuff . Statement if there was any kind of taxraising stuff . No there might be some taxes might taxraising stuff . No there might be some taxes might need taxraising stuff . No there might be some taxes might need to taxraising stuff . No there might be some taxes might need to go taxraising stuff . No there might be some taxes might need to go up. I taxraising stuff . No there might be i some taxes might need to go up. What is our some taxes might need to go up. What is your pledge . Some taxes might need to go up. What is your pledge . 0ur some taxes might need to go up. What is your pledge . Our pledge some taxes might need to go up. What is your pledge . Our pledge is strip what is your assessment of day to . Its strip what is your assessment of day to . Its been strip what is your assessment of day to . Its been quite strip what is your assessment of day to . Its been quite embarrassing i strip what is your assessment of day to . Its been quite embarrassing forj to . Its been quite embarrassing for the Prime Minister to . Its been quite embarrassing for the Prime Minister so to . 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Many of them feel as though its the wrong time i feel as though its the wrong time for this feel as though its the wrong time for this to feel as though its the wrong time for this to come feel as though its the wrong time for this to come out. Feel as though its the wrong time for this to come out. Obviously. Feel as though its the wrong time j for this to come out. Obviously he didnt for this to come out. Obviously he didnt want for this to come out. Obviously he didnt want it for this to come out. Obviously he didnt want it to. For this to come out. Obviously he didnt want it to. You for this to come out. Obviously he didnt want it to. You have for this to come out. Obviously he didnt want it to. You have got didnt want it to. You have got london didnt want it to. You have Got London Mps didnt want it to. You have Got London Mps also didnt want it to. You have Got London Mps also annoyed i didnt want it to. You have Got London Mps also annoyed itsi london mps also annoyed its not going london mps also annoyed its not going all london mps also annoyed its not going all the london mps also annoyed its not going all the way london mps also annoyed its not going all the way down london mps also annoyed its not going all the way down northern. London mps also annoyed its not i going all the way down northern mps who feel going all the way down northern mps who feel they going all the way down northern mps who feel they have going all the way down northern mps who feel they have been going all the way down northern mps who feel they have been let going all the way down northern mps who feel they have been let down. I who feel they have been let down. Justine who feel they have been let down. Justine greening, who feel they have been let down. Justine greening, you who feel they have been let down. Justine greening, you signed who feel they have been let down. Justine greening, you signed off. Who feel they have been let down. | justine greening, you signed off on hsz, but justine greening, you signed off on hs2, but there were plenty of people around the country who absolutely are not fans of hs2 and think its a complete waste of money. Mas complete waste of money. Was disa. Reed complete waste of money. Was disagreed with complete waste of money. Was disagreed with that. Complete waste of money. Was disagreed with that. I think its crucial. Disagreed with that. I think its crucial. If disagreed with that. I think its crucial, if youre going to be able to have crucial, if youre going to be able To Have Britain connected up. We have To Have Britain connected up. We have a To Have Britain connected up. We have a motivational thats national and it have a motivational thats national and it makes sense to have a high speed and it makes sense to have a high speed run and it makes sense to have a High Speed Run System thats national. The worst Case Scenario to end up in is to not the worst Case Scenario to end up in is to not have the worst Case Scenario to end up in is to not have a National Railway system is to not have a National Railway system and then even to have that existing system and then even to have that existing leg that will be done not actually existing leg that will be done not actually get to its destination in london actually get to its destination in london strip actually get to its destination in london stri. ,. ,. , london strip where are you on this . Hs2 london strip where are you on this . H52 has london strip where are you on this . Hs2 has been london strip where are you on this . Hs2 has been a london strip where are you on this . H52 has been a disaster london strip where are you on this . H52 has been a disaster almost i london strip where are you on this . | h52 has been a disaster almost from hs2 has been a disaster almost from start to finish. It was approved for political reasons, all sorts of politicised decisions were made about it very expensive tunnelling under the leafy constituencies of tory voters. The government wasnt willing to have heathrow expansion. I was there and it wasnt political, it was i was there and it wasnt political, it was about the fact that the west coast it was about the fact that the West Coast Main Line was basically full. That remains the case. That remains the case. It was grotesquely that remains the case. It was grotesquely over that remains the case. It was grotesquely over spec that remains the case. It was grotesquely over spec and i that remains the case. It was i grotesquely over spec and there that remains the case. It was grotesquely over spec and there was a review in 2019 where the chairman was in favour, the deputy was against it, and the deputy resigned. We have spent so much money on this thing. You should have cut it off at any point in the last decade for the but youve got so far stop ending up with a train that runs from acton to birmingham
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