And made his way to The Court Room through back corridors. Trump was read his rights, before entering his not guily plea. The next hearing in the case is set for the morning of august 28th. According to the Magistrate Judge overseeing this today. Donald trump is facing four federal criminal charges in this case, including Conspiracy To Defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. We are seeing these images of the motorcade of the former president arriving here at Washington Reagan National airport. Receiver portals injure and was following him. We are not sure if the former president is going to deliver a statement. He did speak or read some System Orders greet some supporters so this is something we are waiting to see if he gets on the plane and delivers a statement. Journalists running up to the former president s plane hoping that he would speak to cameras and journals. This indictment, as we know is one of the third that the former president is facing a possible fourth in the State Of Georgia. We dont see him just yet having gotten out of the car, we expect them to do so shortly as he seesit expect them to do so shortly as he sees it is raining here in washington, dc. They are waiting for him to exit the car there. This is a short ride for the former president as we said from the court. Just blocks from the us capitol where as we know, that riot took place on january six, 2021 at the centre of this indictment. It is about efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. As we are waiting here for the former president to step out lets see if we can bring in our correspondent Carl Masten Standing Outside of the courthouse. We are still looking at these pictures so we will keep them up as youre talking to give us an idea of the last hour or so that you have witnessed. Yes, a historic day here in washington, dc and as you mentioned, former President Donald Trump arraigned today in Federal Court pleading not guilty to four criminal charges. Just pleading not guilty to four criminal charues,. , pleading not guilty to four criminal charues,. , pleading not guilty to four criminal charues,. , , w , charges. Just a umping very quickly because we charges. Just a umping very quickly because we do charges. Just a jumping very quickly because we do the charges. Just a jumping very quickly because we do the former charges. Just a jumping very quickly j because we do the former president stepping out. Lets listen. fie, because we do the former president stepping out. Lets listen. Stepping out. Lets listen. A very sad day for stepping out. Lets listen. A very sad day for america stepping out. Lets listen. A very sad day for america and stepping out. Lets listen. A very sad day for america and it stepping out. Lets listen. A very sad day for america and it was. Stepping out. Lets listen. A very i sad day for america and it was also very sad to driving through washington, dc and seeing the filth and decay and all of the broken buildings and walls and graffiti. This is not the place that i left. It is a very sad thing to see when you look at what is happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of the person that is leading five very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot so if you cant beat him you persecute or prosecuted. We cannot let this happen in america. Thank you very much. , ,. , much. The former president there as we ust much. The former president there as we just heard. Much. The former president there as we just heard, before much. The former president there as we just heard, before getting much. The former president there as we just heard, before getting onto i we just heard, before getting onto the plane back to newjersey saying there, echoing a message we heard from him all along that he has posted on his Social Network as well, biden, that this is political persecution. Carl, to bring you into both the former president can be back on his plane headed back to new jersey, that short statement, your initial reaction . fie, jersey, that short statement, your initial reaction . Jersey, that short statement, your initial reaction . A short statement and what we initial reaction . A short statement and what we have initial reaction . A short statement and what we have heard initial reaction . A short statement and what we have heard from initial reaction . A short statement and what we have heard from the l and what we have heard from the former president many times in recent days and recent months. He has been trying to paint these churches as well as the other churches as well as the other churches he is facing is politically motivated. He has been painting the special Counseljack Smith and the white house and President Biden as string to leverage the Usjustice Department but are using charges to affect the upcoming election. Of course donald trump is the front runner for the 2024 republican nomination still despite all of these legal cases he continues to hold a very strong lead over his nearest rival ants of the latest polling we have seen today puts him neck and neck with President Biden. I want to know if we can turn to what we saw today in this courtroom. A historic day, pleading not guilty to the four charges and our north america correspondent has been here reporting. That only happened today but also on various of the cases that he has been facing and edge share your thoughts. That he has been facing and edge share your thoughts. 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Donald trump has been very clear jack smith. Donald trump has been very clear on what he feel on the special very clear on what he feel on the Special Counsel called him a lunatic but of course its at the courtroom he was but of course its at the courtroom he was not but of course its at the courtroom he was not saying that. In miami thats he was not saying that. In miami thats not look at each of the stuff jack smith thats not look at each of the stuff jack smith said to have really looked jack smith said to have really looked at him whereas he never looked looked at him whereas he never looked back at him. In the courtroom they exchanged glances but did not say anything. This is huge as we huge say anything. This is huge as we huge very say anything. This is huge as we huge. Very rare. It is never happened huge. Very rare. It is never happened before for a former president to be accused of the charges president to be accused of the charges that he has and we heard that short charges that he has and we heard that short and brief statement that he believes that this is a political witch he believes that this is a political witch hunt. He believes that this is a political witch hunt he believes that this is a political witch hunt. ,. ,. , witch hunt. Going back to what took lace in witch hunt. Going back to what took place in the witch hunt. Going back to what took place in the courtroom witch hunt. Going back to what took place in the courtroom because witch hunt. Going back to what took place in the courtroom because it i place in the courtroom because it was a fairly brief arraignment only about 30 minutes or so which would be expecting. We heard the not guilty globally there were also special restrictions put in place on the former president. 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If this was the same case in miami, there are lots of the same case in miami, there are lots of people that the Special Counsel lots of people that the Special Counsel has relied upon, part of donald counsel has relied upon, part of Donald Trumps inner circle to help create Donald Trumps inner circle to help create this Donald Trumps inner circle to help create this in part indictment and relied create this in part indictment and relied on create this in part indictment and relied on their testimony and so he is been relied on their testimony and so he is been told relied on their testimony and so he is been told he cannot talk to them. So many is been told he cannot talk to them. So many charges, now more than 70 including this case as well, a lot of speculation now and a lot of discussion about how his legal team go about defending these charges and how they will go about, especially in this case, because of the high profile and many people calling this the most serious case against former president , how does it seem, his legal team will go about defending the former president in this case . I defending the former president in this case . ~ , defending the former president in this case . ~ ,. , this case . I think they will try a few things this case . I think they will try a few things first this case . I think they will try a few things first i this case . I think they will try a few things first i will this case . I think they will try a few things first i will try this case . I think they will try a few things first i will try to this case . I think they will try a j few things first i will try to slow it down few things first i will try to slow it down. The Special Prosecutor once a speedy it down. The Special Prosecutor once a speedy trial, the trims leader has said a speedy trial, the trims leader has said they want to take your time with then has said they want to take your time with them. They are using the special with them. They are using the Special Counsel of the collecting free speech they say they want truck to have free speech they say they want truck to have the free speech they say they want truck to have the right to say what he wants to have the right to say what he wants thought might Donald Trumps intent. Wants thought might Donald Trumps intent. He wants thought might Donald Trumps intent, he can say, well, i generally intent, he can say, well, i generally thought i lost the election, i thought it was stolen from election, i thought it was stolen from use election, i thought it was stolen from use of the Special Counsel has two proof from use of the Special Counsel has two proof intent and other thing that we two proof intent and other thing that we needs to proceed the attack on dc that we needs to proceed the attack on dc saying it is the wrong place at the trial on dc saying it is the wrong place at the trial because dc as we know is a very at the trial because dc as we know is a very left leaning city. You will see is a very left leaning city. You will see that he cannot get a fair trial here will see that he cannot get a fair trial here because the jury will be made trial here because the jury will be made up trial here because the jury will be made up of people who do not like then made up of people who do not like then the made up of people who do not like them. The opposite is true of course in southern them. The opposite is true of course in Southern Florida where is he has a trough in Southern Florida where is he has a trough or in Southern Florida where is he has a trough or classified documents and we know that florida is a very republican leaning state, a state that he republican leaning state, a state that he won twice. I republican leaning state, a state that he won twice. That he won twice. I want to ask you as well on the that he won twice. I want to ask you as well on the special that he won twice. I want to ask you as well on the Special Counsel that he won twice. I want to ask you as well on the Special Counseljack l as well on the special Counseljack Smith who is bringing this case against the former president , how difficult could it be for him to prove the allegations in this case and what strategies might they take of course the indictment was rather short only about 40 pages long. In short only about 40 pages long. In the indictment it is written on the first page. The indictment it is written on the first page, he had the right to question first page, he had the right to question the Election Results even the right question the Election Results even the right to call it a fraud, lots of president s have challenged results of president s have challenged results so his speech is protected in that results so his speech is protected in that respect. But not his actions in that respect. But not his actions. In the indictment he has laid out actions. In the indictment he has laid out that donald trump has told, by many laid out that donald trump has told, by many people including his aides, staffers. By many people including his aides, staffers, Vice President who in the indictment staffers, Vice President who in the indictment said he had a personal inference indictment said he had a personal inference to believe donald trump so he could inference to believe donald trump so he could stay on an office that he was told he could stay on an office that he was told by homeland security, everybody that he had lost the election everybody that he had lost the election. And he detailed in the indictment, scenarios, quotes, witnesses. Indictment, scenarios, quotes, witnesses, events if you read the indictment witnesses, events if you read the indictment it almost reads like a novel. Indictment it almost reads like a novel, there i say. So i think the special novel, there i say. So i think the Special Counsel will argue that it is an Special Counsel will argue that it is an exhaustive indictment and that it actually is an exhaustive indictment and that it actually goes into detail on why they think it actually goes into detail on why they think he showed intent. So they believe they think he showed intent. So they believe they have an airtight case to prove believe they have an airtight case to prove that. So believe they have an airtight case to prove that believe they have an airtight case to prove that. So much of what has been going to prove that. So much of what has been going on to prove that. So much of what has been going on with to prove that. So much of what has been going on with donald been going on with donald trump weekly is also tied up on what is going on politically. Still the front runner for publican nomination and has been camping so much on these legal cases. How does this case affect them, not to legally but also politically in his polling numbers and how he may go forward . Legally he is innocent until proven guilty. Legally he is innocent until proven guilty, politically the strengthens him and guilty, politically the strengthens him and actually has been seen with the previous indictments his reports among the previous indictments his reports among Republican Voters goes up, they believe in his narrative that he is they believe in his narrative that he is the they believe in his narrative that he is the victim of a political witchhunt, has a strong message which witchhunt, has a strong message which we witchhunt, has a strong message which we know resonates with a lot of americans which is the system is rigged of americans which is the system is rigged against me, you, only i could it. I rigged against me, you, only i could it ithink rigged against me, you, only i could it i think the rigged against me, you, only i could it. I think the big thing is, rigged against me, you, only i could it. Ithink the big thing is, we will have it. Ithink the big thing is, we will have to see as we get into the Eiection Will Have to see as we get into the election years, is with the rest of the american electorate thing but to swing the american electorate thing but to swing voters think, independent voters swing voters think, independent voters. Quickly, i rememberafter the first voters. Quickly, i rememberafter the first indictment i was in virginia the first indictment i was in virginia speaking to Trump Supporters and one man said to me, i love trent supporters and one man said to me, i love trent but supporters and one man said to me, i love trent but i dont think the american love trent but i dont think the American Public will vote for an indicted American Public will vote for an indicted president and that was after indicted president and that was after the indicted president and that was after the first indictment. Donald trump after the first indictment. Donald trump could be facing for total. Expecting trump could be facing for total. Expecting another potential indictment coming down in the State Of Georgia in the coming days or weeks. Thank you so much from here in washington, dc where we have seen the former president now pleading not guilty to those for the discharges against it. Back to you sumi somaskanda. Discharges against it. Back to you sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and treat sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and great to sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and great to get sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and great to get all sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and great to get all of sumi somaskanda. Thank you so much and great to get all of those and great to get all of those insights on the ground. Lets bring insights on the ground. Lets bring in our panel tonight. Joining me is bryan lanza, formerly director of communications for Donald Trumps white house transition team. Joining us now is bryan lanza. Joining us now is rodney davis, former republican congressman from the state of illinois. Joining us now is Sarah Krissoff shes a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of new york. Joining us now is david kelley, former us attorney for the Southern District of new york. Great to have all of you and david i want to start with the first of all to get your thoughts on the and what sort of conditions on the former president s release is if all of this is standard. Its president s release is if all of this is standard. Its standard in routine and this is standard. Its standard in routine and it this is standard. Its standard in routine and it is this is standard. Its standard in routine and it is a this is standard. Its standard in routine and it is a nonevent. Routine and it is a nonevent. 0bviousiy routine and it is a nonevent. 0bviousiy a routine and it is a nonevent. Obviously a big routine and it is a nonevent. Obviously a big event routine and it is a nonevent. Obviously a big event that i routine and it is a nonevent. 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Were just watching the plane here with the former president and his team sitting on the runways come about to take off, as we said, back to new jersey, to his off club there in bedminster. Bryan lanza, iwant jersey, to his off club there in bedminster. Bryan lanza, i want to bring you in now, because you are thusly worked on the former president s transition team. Do you have an idea from your contacts what his mindset is like right now . He is an . His mindset is like right now . He is angry obviously his mindset is like right now . He is angry. Obviously he his mindset is like right now . He is angry. Obviously he is his mindset is like right now . He is angry. Obviously he is disappointed it has angry. Obviously he is disappointed it has come angry. Obviously he is disappointed it has come to this. He is not surprised. They have felt this was going surprised. They have felt this was going to surprised. 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Obviously the president , it is hard to get inside his mind president , it is hard to get inside his mind at president , it is hard to get inside his mind at this particular moment, to be his mind at this particular moment, to be brought up on these charges, but the to be brought up on these charges, but the one to be brought up on these charges, but the one naturalistic we know the president but the one naturalistic we know the president in these situations is in his mind president in these situations is in his mind he president in these situations is in his mind he is already completing how to his mind he is already completing how to fight back, and so they have their strategy, they are going to go forward and well see where it ultimately lands, but he is certainly for angry and frustrated. Congers certainly for angry and frustrated. Congers min davis, i want to bring you in here and as well. You were at the Capitol On January you in here and as well. You were at the capitol onjanuary 6. Just you in here and as well. You were at the Capitol On January 6. Just tell us your thoughts on the the capitol onjanuary 6. Just tell us your thoughts on the arraignment today. Im us your thoughts on the arraignment toda. �. , , , us your thoughts on the arraignment toda. Today. Im not surprised, ust like the rest of today. Im not surprised, ust like the rest of your today. Im not surprised, just like the rest of your panelists. Today. Im not surprised, just like the rest of your panelists. We today. Im not surprised, just like i the rest of your panelists. We knew this was coming. Im not surprised jack smith showed up today. The entire world was watching. 0f jack smith showed up today. The entire world was watching. Of course jack smith is going to be in that courtroom. Donald trump is a fighter, and you saw that when he stopped to give an impromptu statement, talking about washington, dc and increased graffiti since he left. I have not seen that, but what he is doing is he is talking to his base, he is talking to his supporters, to try and draw a contrast between the way he is being treated by the Justice System and between however one else is perceived to have been treated by the Justice System was to people continue to talk about a two tiered system ofjustice. He will begin to lump all these cases together and he will be the best victim, politically speaking, that we will ever see in american political history, and unfortunately his numbers will likely go up amongst Republican Voters. Brute likely go up amongst Republican Voters. ~. Likely go up amongst Republican Voters. , , voters. We are ust seeing the president s voters. We are just seeing the president s lane voters. We are just seeing the president s lane again voters. We are just seeing the president s lane again there i voters. We are just seeing the l president s lane again there on voters. We are just seeing the president s lane again there on the runway, waiting to take off, and dave and i want to come back to you. We heard bryan lanza Say The Trump Team is now looking forward, looking towards this trial, looking to their own strategies of course, one of which is to delay them as we have been discussing, but if you look at the indictment itself, and what the prosecutions strategy is going to be here, jack smiths team here says there is proof that the former president knew he was lying and launched a criminal conspiracy. You think after having read the indictment of the evidence laid out supports that . I indictment of the evidence laid out supports that . Supports that . I think this is a masterpiece supports that . I think this is a masterpiece in supports that . I think this is a masterpiece in terms supports that . I think this is a masterpiece in terms of supports that . I think this is a masterpiece in terms of indictments. 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I would expect he has indictment, he put an awful lot. I would expect he has more. Indictment, he put an awful lot. I would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come to would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come to you would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come to you now, would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come to you now, i would expect he has more. Bryan, i want to come to you now, i found i want to come to you now, i found it interesting, a trump ally was big into nbc news, saying that it helps to have the former president facing more than one indictment, because if his one, all the focus is on the detail of that one case, if it is three, some of those details get lost in the wider narrative. Do you think that that is something the trump team is indeed thinking about . 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Everybody has a playbook, Everybody Knows what works a playbook, Everybody Knows what works in a playbook, Everybody Knows what works in the playbook, and muddying the waters works in the playbook, and muddying the waters does work and having this conversation is good for him, having the Hunter Conversation is good for him, having the Hunter Biden Conversation is good the Hunter Biden Conversation is good for the Hunter Biden Conversation is good for him, even having jack smith. Good for him, even having jack smith, who is not constitutional at a speech smith, who is not constitutional at a speech row, demanding a speedy trial. A speech row, demanding a speedy trial. Is a speech row, demanding a speedy trial, is functional for him. Have washington, dc targeting a guy for what his washington, dc targeting a guy for what his people claim is free speech. 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The Public Images of jackson has gone down dramatically since the jackson has gone down dramatically since the appointment, it is getting worse. Since the appointment, it is getting worse. We since the appointment, it is getting worse, we have seen this pattern happened. Worse, we have seen this pattern happened, that when you go after. You muddy happened, that when you go after. You muddy the waters and you drive up you muddy the waters and you drive up the you muddy the waters and you drive up the negatives of that particular person. Up the negatives of that particular person, which ultimately make it harder person, which ultimately make it harder for person, which ultimately make it harder for them to deliver their message. Harder for them to deliver their message. This playbook is textbook, it has message. This playbook is textbook, it has worked before. I would not be surprised it has worked before. I would not be surprised if it has worked before. I would not be surprised if works again. We it has worked before. I would not be surprised if works again. Surprised if works again. We are ust look surprised if works again. We are just look at surprised if works again. We are just look at the surprised if works again. We are just look at the former surprised if works again. We are i just look at the former president s plane here about to leave washington, dc, inching forward as it is about to take off in just a few moments, as he goes back to new jersey. Congressman davis, just your thoughts on what we heard from bryan lanza there . Do you agree . I lanza there . Do you agree . I complete the agree. Would demand from what i know, working with President Trump and his team around him, they are doing exactly what bryan did for him in 2016. This is about politics right now. This is a focus by the Trump Campaign and trump world to focus only on the upcoming president ial Nomination Process will sub this is just a bump in the road that will continue to allow the world to talk about no one other than donaldj trump, and they believe, and i think rightfully so at this point, in the republican Nomination Process, that it will only help him seal up the nomination, and i think we will have a true constitutional crisis in this country if he is on trial as the nominee for a Major Political party in this country in 2024. In this country in 2024. Really interesting in this country in 2024. Really interesting point in this country in 2024. Really interesting point there, in this country in 2024. Really interesting point there, and i interesting point there, and definitely something that we are going to be watching, talking about the political consequences. Again, here we are watching the former president s plane about to take off from right here in washington, dc. That is Reagan National airportjust about ten to 15 minutes away from the courthouse where earlier in the dating former president was arraigned on four terminal charges, related to january 6 riot and attempt to overturn the election. To our viewers at pbs, thank you so much. The former president s plane here, just on it looks like the runway itself, as it is about to take off, leave washington, dc, head off to newjersey, and i want to bring back in our correspondent carl nasman who has been at the courthouse all day following up and that is happen, and just to come back to you, interesting to hear from just to come back to you, interesting to hearfrom bryan lanza, one of our panelists, about the from a president being angry. What did we learn about how the former president was in court today . How he reacted to the arraignment . Yeah, i think a lot ofjournalists and Court Watchers were definitely had their eyes on former President Trump, to see how he might behave in court. The difficulty was of course was because this is a federal case in a Federal Court, there are no cameras allowed inside the courtroom and there was restricted access even to get into the courthouse itself. We actually saw images yesterday of reporters and journalists lining up trying to make sure that they could secure a spot inside the courthouse, and a person that did secure a spot was our own reporter. You were in it the courthouse, a very small room. What did you see, what did you make of the way donald trump reacted during this arraignment . He of the way donald trump reacted during this arraignment . Of the way donald trump reacted during this arraignment . He was very euiet. To during this arraignment . He was very quiet. To me during this arraignment . He was very quiet. To me he during this arraignment . He was very quiet. To me he seemed during this arraignment . He was very quiet. To me he seemed very during this arraignment . He was very quiet. To me he seemed very calm. 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He only spoke very briefly to give his name, his age, his Lawyer Briefly to give his name, his age, his lawyer entered a not guilty plea on his his lawyer entered a not guilty plea on his behalf, but he was very calm, there on his behalf, but he was very calm, there was on his behalf, but he was very calm, there was no on his behalf, but he was very calm, there was no visible sign of alarm or any there was no visible sign of alarm or any reaction at all to what the judge or any reaction at all to what the judge was saying around him. Can you describe for us judge was saying around him. Can you describe for us that judge was saying around him. Can you describe for us that moment judge was saying around him. Can you describe for us that moment when judge was saying around him. Can you describe for us that moment when he | describe for us that moment when he did plead not guilty . You describe for us that moment when he did plead not guilty . Did plead not guilty . 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He was not the Bombastic Trump we have seen in the past. Bombastic trump we have seen in the past. To Bombastic Trump we have seen in the past. To the Bombastic Trump we have seen in the past, to the point lawyers said not guilty. Past, to the point lawyers said not guilty. He past, to the point lawyers said not guilty, he sat right back down. Can ou guilty, he sat right back down. You describe guilty, he sat right back down. 1531 you describe for us what was the atmosphere like, what did the actual courthouse look like, paint a picture for us for those, of course, there are no cameras allowed inside, it is difficult to get a sense of it, sojust it is difficult to get a sense of it, so just describe for us the scene there . I it, so just describe for us the scene there . It, so just describe for us the scene there . , ,. , scene there . I have come to this court has scene there . I have come to this court has quite scene there . I have come to this court has quite a scene there . 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For one, security was very tight, even in the room the proceedings happening, us marshals blocked proceedings happening, us marshals blocked access to that hallway, you could blocked access to that hallway, you could good i can access to the roomful could good i can access to the roomful of very, very few people were roomful of very, very few people were in roomful of very, very few people were in the roomful of very, very few people were in the room, there were staff and attorneys of a few numbers a few members of the public. The rest of us few members of the public. The rest of us were few members of the public. The rest of us were innate Pew Overflow Rooms they set of us were innate Pew Overflow Rooms they set up. Of us were innate Pew Overflow Rooms they setup. 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We understand he was sitting in the front row of those three rows of benches. There was a lot of talk about the Interaction Betweenjack Smith and donald trump. Can you describe for us what kind of interaction if any they had . I us what kind of interaction if any the had . ~. Us what kind of interaction if any the had . ,. ,. , they had . I think that is of the most people they had . I think that is of the most people work were were watching. Certainlyjack smith were watching. Certainlyjack smith paid were watching. Certainlyjack smith paid a lot more attention to the former smith paid a lot more attention to the former president then tromped into jack the former president then tromped into jack we saw him occasionally glance into jack we saw him occasionally glance over to jack smiths direction, but very rarely, and jack smith direction, but very rarely, and jack smith very direction, but very rarely, and jack smith very laser focused on the former smith very laser focused on the former president and on the judge the entire former president and on the judge the entire proceeding. We former president and on the udge the entire proceedingfi former president and on the udge the entire proceeding. We also know that this hearing the entire proceeding. We also know that this hearing began the entire proceeding. We also know that this hearing began about the entire proceeding. We also know that this hearing began about 50 that this hearing began about 50 minutes late. Did you have any sense just from being in there why that was, why there was a delay . It just from being in there why that was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. Was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. I was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. I could was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. I could not was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. I could not really was, why there was a delay . It was hard to say. I could not really tell i hard to say. I could not really tell you what hard to say. I could not really tell you what the delay exactly was, but it really you what the delay exactly was, but it really did you what the delay exactly was, but it really did add to the air of the situation. It really did add to the air of the situation, and that was the one point situation, and that was the one point you situation, and that was the one point you could kind of see some emotion point you could kind of see some emotion in point you could kind of see some emotion in mr trumps face. He seemed emotion in mr trumps face. He seemed a emotion in mr trumps face. He seemed a little anxious, as everyone else in seemed a little anxious, as everyone else in the seemed a little anxious, as everyone else in the room was, at the time. And how else in the room was, at the time. And how about the moment that donald trump left after what was a fairly brief Arraignment Hearing . It trump left after what was a fairly brief Arraignment Hearing . It was very procedural. Brief Arraignment Hearing . It was very procedural. Very brief Arraignment Hearing . It was very procedural. Very little very procedural. Very little reaction very procedural. Very little reaction from the former president or him reaction from the former president or him as reaction from the former president or him as calmly walked out, briefly stopped or him as calmly walked out, briefly stopped to or him as calmly walked out, briefly stopped to speak to one of the then walked stopped to speak to one of the then walked out of the room in a back exit. ~ walked out of the room in a back exit. ,. , walked out of the room in a back exit. , i. , walked out of the room in a back exit. ,. ,. , exit. Thank you so much for today there were exit. Thank you so much for today there were no exit. Thank you so much for today there were no cameras exit. Thank you so much for today there were no cameras allowed, l exit. Thank you so much for today | there were no cameras allowed, in there were no cameras allowed, in the courtroom, some of those details, especially when it comes to the way that donald trump reacted and behaved in the courtroom to get any kind of sense of how he might react to this arraignment, but very calmly, as he pointed out, pleaded not guilty to those for charges. Quickly indeed, interesting to get that perspective quickly indeed, interesting to get that perspective from quickly indeed, interesting to get that perspective from inside quickly indeed, interesting to get that perspective from inside of. Quickly indeed, interesting to get. That perspective from inside of the courthouse that perspective from inside of the courthouse how that perspective from inside of the courthouse how things that perspective from inside of the courthouse how things proceeded. Courthouse how things proceeded today. Thank you. Lets take our viewers against the charges. Donald trump is facing four federal criminal charges in this case including Conspiracy To Defraud the united states, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. Lets bring our panel bike and we have been discussing everything that happened today the legal and of course political perspective and fallout of all of it. Sarah to come back to you because we are just listing those charges again that the former president is now facing in this federal indictment. What do you Thinkjack Smith is going to have to prove in court, particularly on this criminal conspiracy that is shaping these charges that he has lead to fourth . These charges that he has lead to fourth . ,. , these charges that he has lead to fourth . ,. , , fourth . Each one of these charges has a distinct fourth . Each one of these charges has a distinct set fourth . Each one of these charges has a distinct set of fourth . Each one of these charges has a distinct set of elements fourth . Each one of these charges has a distinct set of elements that the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt in order to convict. So while the factual underpinnings are similarfor the underpinnings are similar for the four charges, underpinnings are similarfor the four charges, the actual elements, the things the government must prove for each of those is a little bit different. Essentially, the conspiracy charges you really have to, the government will have to show there was an agreement between one or more