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If thats real life, just carry on. Its getting us through this lockdown, i tell you. Although items on the agenda may include floral displays and litter picking, it seems meetings of Handforth Parish Council arent for the faint hearted. And apparently, theres a long history here of factionalism, infighting, and complaints about councillors. Councillor burkhill, weve been through this. Jackie weaver isnt on the council. Some councillors asked her to be there to provide supervisory support, but others didnt accept her role. What are you talking about . You dont know whati youre talking about at that meeting, im not absolutely sure who was in charge. I was very focused and i was there to support the three councillors that wanted to get on with the ordinary, often dull, business of a parish council. If this goes viral, its going to start a war of words. Some of the councillors maintain that the meeting itself was illegal, others that it was held fairly. Either way, they could sell tickets to the next one. Nothing if not lively in handforth judith moritz, bbc news, handforth. Thats it. Now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. Have a very good night. Hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. With me arejohn stevens, the deputy Political Editor of the daily mail, and author and journalist rachel shabi. So, tomorrows front pages, starting with. The daily mirrors front page says that Vaccine Passports could allow lockdown weary brits to go abroad on holiday this summer. The daily mail carries a headline about what it calls the shocking state of the uk army. According to the paper, all but one Infantry Batallion is short of soldiers. According to the daily telegraph, pubs will reopen in april, but only if they agree not to sell alcohol. The i says that the uks on track to vaccinate every adult in byjune and that confidence is growing in the british vaccine team. The Financial Times says that the chancellor is set to extend the time period needed to pay back bounce back loans to help stave off Business Failures. Meanwhile, the times has an exclusive claiming ministers are aiming to take back control over the nhs in the Biggest Health reform in over a decade. So, lets begin. We will start off with the front page of the time it ministers to seize control of the nhs. Rachel. The times is reporting that ministers plan to take more control over the nhs with basically giving themselves laws that will allow them to block or overrule medical buses. This is being described as the biggest reform in over a decade. And it looks like basically the government is using covid as the pretext to claw more control over the nhs but it has to be said that this is the nhs which is on its knees basically due to a decade of austerity and cuts, huge staff shortages, huge shortages and beds, things like Walk In Centres slashed while other benefits of the nhs have been fragmented, cut into pieces and outsourced. And during this pandemic, the bits that have worked well, notably vaccines, are the bits that the nhs does have control over. The bits that are struggling are the bits of the government outsourced, such as test and trace, where nhs labs were not used but private companies were instead. Things like Ppe Procurement and so on. So the idea of the government having more control over the nhs, i suggest, idea of the government having more control over the nhs, isuggest, is troubling. Control over the nhs, i suggest, is troublina. ,. ,. ,. ,. , control over the nhs, i suggest, is troublina. ,. ,. ,. ,. Troubling. You have to ask how far does that extent. Troubling. You have to ask how far does that extent. I troubling. You have to ask how far does that extent. I was troubling. You have to ask how far does that extent. I was talking does that extent. I was talking about england only hear equipment i think this is for england but you. Some of the ideas look pretty good at the some of the ideas look pretty good at the moment. Local councils are able to at the moment. Local councils are able to put at the moment. Local councils are able to put fluorides and tap water. But little able to put fluorides and tap water. But little incentive for them to do it because but little incentive for them to do it because they dont have to pay for dentistry, and so the idea is of the government took this power, they will be the government took this power, they will be able the government took this power, they will be able to do it for the whole country will be able to do it for the whole country and it would mean he would see less country and it would mean he would see less tooth decay. But as rachel says. See less tooth decay. But as rachel says. The see less tooth decay. But as rachel says, the question is why you would decide says, the question is why you would decide to says, the question is why you would decide to do says, the question is why you would decide to do this in the middle of a pandemic decide to do this in the middle of a pandemic. Health reform assuming that is pandemic. Health reform assuming that is quite tricky, some that has gone that is quite tricky, some that has gone majorly wrong in the past. And i gone majorly wrong in the past. And hust gone majorly wrong in the past. And iiust think gone majorly wrong in the past. And ijust think it might be quite difficult ijust think it might be quite difficult to do this right now and the question would be why they are not castrating other issues such as sociai not castrating other issues such as social care not castrating other issues such as social care that the Prime Minister when social care that the Prime Minister when he social care that the Prime Minister when he entered Downing Street said he had when he entered Downing Street said he had a when he entered Downing Street said he had a plan ready to go to reform sociat he had a plan ready to go to reform social care he had a plan ready to go to reform social care. But we have not heard anything social care. But we have not heard anything about it ever since. I anything about it ever since. Suppose anything about it ever since. I suppose weber does say the nhs chief said the changes to allow gps, hospitals and have cares who were together will improve patient care. I mean that would be helpful if that happened but the idea of reorganising different bits of the nhs and ending bits of Privatisation Doing Nhs and ending bits of privatisation doing Different Things right now ust doing Different Things right now just does not seem like its the right just does not seem like its the right time. Just does not seem like its the right time right time. And the paper also sa in right time. And the paper also saying theyre right time. And the paper also saying theyre hoping right time. And the paper also saying theyre hoping to right time. And the paper also saying theyre hoping to push | right time. And the paper also saying theyre hoping to push these reforms through by april. What he think of that timeline . I reforms through by april. What he think of that timeline . Think of that timeline . I think its nuts. I think of that timeline . I think its nuts ithink think of that timeline . I think its nuts. I think that think of that timeline . I think its nuts. I think that when think of that timeline . I think its nuts. I think that when you think of that timeline . I think its nuts. I think that when you look i think of that timeline . I think itsl nuts. I think that when you look at the nhs and all the strain and the stress it has been under and despite that doing an amazing job it has to be said, what does it need at the moment . It needs more pay for staff, it needs more staff actually. Its massively understaffed. It needs more nurseries for nurses. It needs more nurseries for nurses. It needs more hospital beds. It needs more facilities. It needs less privatisation and it needs Less Government intervention. So i think this seems to me not only absurd but extremely rushed and not very well thought out. Extremely rushed and not very well thought out thought out. Then there is the auestion thought out. Then there is the question of thought out. Then there is the question of accountability thought out. Then there is the question of accountability because of they are not going to be in charge, it is the finger of blame directly at the government then. Its already directly at the government. Who else are we to blame for the state of the hs, is it . Lets turn to the front page of the daily mirror. And a ray of sunlight, john. , ,. , john. This is the entity will not be able to still john. This is the entity will not be able to still go john. This is the entity will not be able to still go on john. This is the entity will not be able to still go on holiday john. This is the entity will not be able to still go on holiday this able to still go on holiday this summen able to still go on holiday this summer. Other countries are saying people summer. Other countries are saying people want to go there on holiday they will people want to go there on holiday they will have to show proof that they will have to show proof that they have they will have to show proof that they have had the vaccine, as of the british they have had the vaccine, as of the British Government said today that they are British Government said today that they are possibly looking at the idea of they are possibly looking at the idea of giving people some way that if they idea of giving people some way that if they go idea of giving people some way that if they go on holiday they can prove they have if they go on holiday they can prove they have had the vaccine. But the idea of they have had the vaccine. But the idea of going on holiday in the summer idea of going on holiday in the summer sounds great but i think at the moment, the idea of holidays is meant the moment, the idea of holidays is meant to the moment, the idea of holidays is meant to be that they are quite relaxing meant to be that they are quite relaxing. The idea Booking Unexpressive Holiday in the next few months unexpressive holiday in the next few months nervous not knowing whether you be months nervous not knowing whether you be able months nervous not knowing whether you be able to go or not or will be cancelled you be able to go or not or will be cancelled at the last minute does not sound cancelled at the last minute does not sound that relaxing to me. Would ou take not sound that relaxing to me. Would you take this not sound that relaxing to me. Would you take this offer not sound that relaxing to me. Would you take this offer up, not sound that relaxing to me. Would you take this offer up, rachel . Not sound that relaxing to me. Would you take this offer up, rachel . The i you take this offer up, rachel . The thing about you take this offer up, rachel . Tie thing about that is the you take this offer up, rachel . Ti9 thing about that is the other Ray Of Sunshine on this front page is that it seems like the oxford vaccine does handle the new variants of the virus comes of that is definitely another Ray Of Sunshine there. But the idea of Vaccine Passports is troubling because its the idea of Vaccine Passports is troubling because its setting up more divisions and especially generational divisions of this country because by the summer, most people under 50 still wont have had the passport. So its going to cause resentment i would imagine at a time when we really need to have a Feeling Of Community and unity. We dont need to having a concept of some people being allowed to go off on holiday while other people are still stuck indoors. I on holiday while other people are still stuck indoors. Still stuck indoors. I suppose the. Uestion still stuck indoors. I suppose the question is still stuck indoors. I suppose the question is then still stuck indoors. I suppose the question is then also still stuck indoors. I suppose the question is then also you still stuck indoors. I suppose the question is then also you will. Question is then also you will return back on a fly and what will be put in place to make sure you come back having not contracted the coronavirus. You can leave but what about coming back . I coronavirus. You can leave but what about coming back . About coming back . I think one of the problems about coming back . I think one of the problems that about coming back . I think one of the problems that could about coming back . I think one of the problems that could be about coming back . I think one of the problems that could be here l about coming back . I think one of| the problems that could be here is even the problems that could be here is even he the problems that could be here is even he may be protected yourself from having coronavirus and having a terrible from having coronavirus and having a terrible illness, ithink from having coronavirus and having a terrible illness, i think is possible with the vaccine that you are able possible with the vaccine that you are able to possible with the vaccine that you are able to pass it on still. So you could are able to pass it on still. So you could come are able to pass it on still. So you could come back into the country even could come back into the country even though youre protected and. Ive even though youre protected and give coronavirus to other people. Not sure give coronavirus to other people. Not sure exactly how lament protection is given, are we . Lets turn to the front page of the telegraph, and possibly open in april but not allowed to sell any booze, rachel. April but not allowed to sell any booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how us booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how pops respond booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how pups respond to booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how pups respond to that, booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how pups respond to that, never. Booze, rachel. Well, i dont know how pups respond to that, never mind people who like to go to pubs. The idea of an alcohol free pub seems to defeat the purpose of going to the pub somewhat. But i could beat wildly out of guilt or with the National Mood here, i dont know. And i also wonder where the pubs Profit Margins are so if you take away alcohol, what is it worth being open . Away alcohol, what is it worth being 0 en . , away alcohol, what is it worth being oen . , i away alcohol, what is it worth being open . I think away alcohol, what is it worth being open . John. I think this one is auoin to open . John. I think this one is going to happen open . John. I think this one is going to happen. People open . John. I think this one is going to happen. People in government today were saying Boris Johnson government today were saying Boris Johnson need to typify the rules and make johnson need to typify the rules and make it johnson need to typify the rules and make it easier for businesses to get rid of make it easier for businesses to get rid of those make it easier for businesses to get rid of those requirements that pubs have to rid of those requirements that pubs have to Service Financial mill to be able to have to Service Financial mill to be able to serve alcohol. And that sounds able to serve alcohol. And that sounds the exact Polar Opposite of this. Sounds the exact Polar Opposite of this i sounds the exact Polar Opposite of this ijust sounds the exact Polar Opposite of this. Ijust cannot imagine Boris Johnson this. Ijust cannot imagine Boris Johnson to this. Ijust cannot imagine Boris Johnson to say to pub owners who have johnson to say to pub owners who have been johnson to say to pub owners who have been struggling for the last few months that you can open up but you cannot few months that you can open up but you cannot serve booze. Ijust cannot you cannot serve booze. Ijust cannot see you cannot serve booze. Ijust cannot see that ever happening. What do Ou Cannot See that ever happening. What do you think cannot see that ever happening. What do you think about cannot see that ever happening. Twist do you think about all this cannot see that ever happening. Rmisgt do you think about all this talk now, rachel, about Easing Restrictions . Is this the right time . , , , restrictions . Is this the right time . , , � , restrictions . Is this the right time . , � , time . Probably not. Its probably not the time . Probably not. Its probably rrot the right time . Probably not. Its probably not the right time time . Probably not. Its probably not the right time to time . Probably not. Its probably not the right time to be time . Probably not. Its probably not the right time to be talking. Not the right time to be talking about easing. Of course is what we all long to hear and we want some kind of timeframe so we can at least imagine the light at the end of the tunnel and have a vague sort of diary date for it. But the reality is we just dont know, do we . We dont know what the Infection Rates are going to look like in a few weeks time or what Hospital Capacity is going to look like in a few weeks time and so i think the idea of making these predictions ahead of that information is a little bit foolhardy because you run the risk ofjust raising peoples hopes and then not meeting them again. And thats possibly even worse for morale. Again. And thats possibly even worse for morale. Take us to the front page worse for morale. Take us to the front page of worse for morale. Take us to the front page of the worse for morale. Take us to the front page of the financial worse for morale. Take us to the | front page of the Financial Times, john, and chancellor moves to stem Business Failures by extending loan terms. . Business failures by extending loan terms. ,. ,. , terms. These are small loans given to firms of terms. These are small loans given to firms of op terms. These are small loans given to firms of up to terms. These are small loans given to firms of up to £50,000 terms. These are small loans given to firms of up to £50,000 in terms. These are small loans given to firms of up to £50,000 in the i to firms of up to £50,000 in the pandemic to firms of up to £50,000 in the pandemic. And one of the worries that has pandemic. And one of the worries that has been highlighted is that firms that has been highlighted is that firms will not be able to repay them so the firms will not be able to repay them so the Repayment Terms of the moment, so the Repayment Terms of the moment, i begin to pay them back over six moment, i begin to pay them back over six years, and now theyre looking over six years, and now theyre looking at over six years, and now theyre looking at exiting that to ten years looking at exiting that to ten years. Thats because of worries that the years. Thats because of worries that the great hope is the vaccine and businesses are able to reopen and businesses are able to reopen and we and businesses are able to reopen and we are and businesses are able to reopen and we are able to go out there and splash and we are able to go out there and splash loads of money and get the economy splash loads of money and get the economy going again but at least the next couple of months looks like they will next couple of months looks like they will be slow for a return to business they will be slow for a return to business and a lot of businesses have business and a lot of businesses have been business and a lot of businesses have been struggling for the last few months. So this is something quite few months. So this is something quite helpful to make sure they can afford quite helpful to make sure they can afford those repayments. | quite helpful to make sure they can afford those repayments. I suppose ou have afford those repayments. I suppose you have to afford those repayments. I suppose you have to wonder afford those repayments. I suppose you have to wonder if afford those repayments. I suppose you have to wonder if the afford those repayments. I suppose you have to wonder if the business | you have to wonder if the business will even exist by the time you can then start paying back that loan. Having businesses will still be in operation . I having businesses will still be in o eration . ~ having businesses will still be in operation . Operation . I think thats a really aood operation . I think thats a really good question operation . I think thats a really good question and operation . I think thats a really good question and we operation . I think thats a really good question and we are operation . I think thats a really l good question and we are hearing lots of businesses simply not going to make it. But i think that definitely the government should be doing as much is possible to ensure as many as possible of those businesses do pull through and i think one of the problems consistently with the government in this last year and the chancellor has been the last minute haphazard nature of it. So he has always every time there is an extension on the furlough or always has to be pressured into doing it and does it at the last minute by which stage a lot of businesses just will have had to let staff go and go under because he has not extended things in time or made financial provisions in time. So it has been confusing and piling more anxiety on businesses would that is not necessary. Ido piling more anxiety on businesses would that is not necessary. Do you think that it would that is not necessary. Do you think that it is would that is not necessary. Do you think that it is really would that is not necessary. Do you think that it is really impersonatedl think that it is really impersonated that nobody has ever had to deal with Something Like this but realistically could they have done it differently . You say they did not put these measures in place in time, but who has . Im put these measures in place in time, but who has . But who has . Im so sick of hearing eole but who has . Im so sick of hearing people say but who has . Im so sick of hearing people say this but who has . Im so sick of hearing people say this is but who has . Im so sick of hearing people say this is unprecedented. L but who has . Im so sick of hearing l people say this is unprecedented. We know is unprecedented. But we have had it for a year now. And the government is making the same mistakes now that it did a year ago. It is learned nothing and also we can see other countries have coped better than the uk and that they are in a better situation in terms of getting a handle on the virus and they are in a better situation therefore economically as a result. So i think we need to stop giving this government the get out of it being unprecedented. We know. Theyve had a year to figure it out and they have not and we have over 100,000 deaths in the uk and the uk and ended on that. Take 100,000 deaths in the uk and the uk and ended on that. And ended on that. Take us to the front page and ended on that. Take us to the front page of and ended on that. Take us to the front page of your and ended on that. Take us to the front page of your paper. And ended on that. Take us to the front page of your paper. This and ended on that. Take us to the front page of your paper. This is l and ended on that. Take us to the front page of your paper. This is a leak which exposes the shocking state of the uk army. 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