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Quantum supremacy. I cant explain what that means, but David Shipman definitely can. Here in the uk, a major Police Investigation is under way after 39 people were found dead in a refrigerated lorry. It was found on the side of a road in an Industrial Park in the county of essex. That is not far from that is not farfrom london. These pictures show the lorry being driven away under police escort. The victims bodies were still inside. Its been taken to a secure facility for a forensic investigation. Heres the police. Early indications suggest that one of these people was a teenager. The rest are believed to be adults. A Murder Investigation was launched and the lorry driver, a 25 year old man from Northern Ireland, was arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in police custody. At this stage, we have not identified where the victims are from or their identities, and we anticipate this could be a lengthy process. The lorry driver has been named as this man, mo robinson. Hes from from County Armagh in Northern Ireland. The lorry itself is registered by a company thats owned by an irish woman. And police say the tractor unit the front part of the truck also comes from Northern Ireland. It travelled across the channel from zeebrugge, in belgium, and entered the uk at the port of purfleet last night. Police were called about an hour later. Its not been confirmed that this is a case of people smuggling or that the victims were migrants, but all indications suggest this was the case. Well, this tragedy was discussed in parliament earlier. In this clip, youll hear local mp Jackie Doyle Price and then the Prime Minister. To put 39 people into a locked metal container shows a contempt for human life that is evil, and the best thing we can do in memory of those victims is to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice. I do share her strong desire now that the perpetrators of that crime, and indeed all those who engage in similar activities, because we know that this trade is going on, all such traders in human beings should be hunted down and brought to justice. The un tracks Migrant Deaths around the world. You can find the data online. It estimates more than 2,500 have died this year and the mediteranean is by far the most dangerous region. Many try and reach europe in small, overcrowded boats. There are many risks elsewhere as well. In 2016, a migrant camp in calais nicknamed thejungle was closed. And security was tightened at dover port. People smugglers started exploring new routes, some involving crossing the English Channel by small boat. 0thers involve stowing people away. Also taking alternative routes into the uk. Todays tragedy is the worst of its kind in the uk for many years. Since 2014, five migrants have been found dead in lorries or containers. 19 years ago, 58 chinese migrants were found dead in this lorry at the port of dover. Heres the local mp again. One of the points that i will keep reminding the government is that this is not something we can do by ourselves in this country. This is a trade that is organised by Major International crime gangs. There is a hell of a lot of money in it. Theyre very sophisticated in how they manage this, and theyre trading on peoples hope and incurring misery to them. We will only tackle it by working multilaterally, with other partners and agencies across europe and the world. We have to collectively tackle this because its a menace to humanity. Mark simpson in in essex. Bring us up to date on the investigation, please. 50 many investigation, please. So many questions, so many lives lost, 39 in total, including a teenager. What we do know is that this is very much tonight an international Police Investigation. The vehicle is no longer at the scene where it was discovered in the early hours of this morning, around 20 hours ago. Its been taken somewhere more private where police can fore nsically private where police can forensically examine the bodies and the vehicle they were found in. Essex Police Involved here in south east england. The police in wales are involved, police in Northern Ireland, in dublin, and also the police in mainland europe. Where exactly did these 39 people get on board the lorry, how did they die, when did they die . So many questions but, as yet, not many a nswe is. Questions but, as yet, not many answers. What more do we know about the driver . I mentioned he was 25. We have more information . The man arrested in the early hours of this morning was a 25 year old man from Northern Ireland called mo robinson, from the portadown district in cou nty from the portadown district in County Armagh in Northern Ireland. He was arrested on suspicion of murder. He is being questioned as we speak. As i understand it, detectives in england have up to 96 hours, four days, in which to question him, at which stage they have to decide whether to release him without charge or charge him with something. Thank you for the update. Later in the programme minutes, well go live to damien grammaticas in zeebrugge, where the lorry left from, to find out how belgium is helping in this international investigation. Lets turn to brexit. In theory, brexit is going to happen in eight days time something borisjohnson has said repeatedly hell ensure will happen in all circumstances. In practice, that now looks close to impossible. Thats because yesterday he paused the ratification process of his brexit deal with the eu after losing a vote on the three day timetable hed set for the process. Mps essentially said, we need more time. Already on saturday, hed requested a brexit extension, something hed said repeatedly hed never do. With the ratification process paused, the eu has turned to the request. Donald tusk is president of the european council. He told us earlier, in my phone call with Boris Johnson, i gave reasons why i am recommending the eu27 accept uk for an extension. The uk request is for 3 months. Its up to the eu what to grant. For all the talk of taking back control, right now the uk has no control over what happens. It has to wait. Heres the irish Prime Minister on what happens next. If there is consensus, we can do this by written procedure, without having to have another meeting of the european council. If there is not consensus, well have to convene a meeting of the european council, possibly next monday, maybe even on friday, to discuss whether or not to grant an extension to the uk, for how long and under what conditions. Irelands foreign minister added that an arrangement may be offered which allows the United Kingdom to leave the eu, if they can get a deal done well in advance of january. Whatever the eu goes for, it requires all 27 remaining eu Member States to agree. Than some of the others. Heres its europe minister. Translation the french position is that we cannot extend indefinitely and remain spectators of a process which is going nowhere, and that an extension or an extension request can only be supported if its justified and we understand the reason. We absolutely have to put an end to this uncertainty. This uncertainty is toxic, its frightening, its detrimental for our families and our businesses. This is katya adlers latest analysis on the bbc website. The headline is eu eyes brexit flex tension. It starts with a quote from an eu diplomat. The ball is not in our court. The ball is not in our courts are all stuck in the uks net. I think i understand that. Heres katya to translate. The feeling really is that they will grant an extension and probably its going to be the three month extension that the uk has asked for, so taking us up untiljanuary the 31st, butjust like previous brexit extensions this one is known in the eu as a flex tension, so its flexible. That means that you can come out of it early. In this case, if the brexit deal is finally ratified by parliament, and then also by the european parliament, then the extension can end, even if you are just a month into it, for example. We expect to hear a formal decision from eu leaders on friday. Back in the spring, we were discussing president macron being a little less enthused at a longer extension than some of his counterparts, and you said, yes, but hang on, this is primarily for french domestic consumption. We have the french being a little awkward again. How do you read their position this time . Well, i think president macron himself said that he is quite fine with being brexit bad cop. I think that another reason why eu leaders are not rushing to sort of give their opinion on an extension and deliver their verdict, if you like, is because they want a bit of time to make a point, which is to say to the uk, just dont expect that we are always going to give you some kind of rolling brexit extension it has to really be used for something. And the french europe minister, actually i think because president macron is currently in the indian ocean, or on an island in it, shes been very forthright about this, and saying that time alone is not going to solve the uks brexit dilemma and they have to tell us exactly what they are going to use this extension for. But, that said, weve had this discussion about conditions attached to an extension when theresa may asked for one, and legally thats very difficult for the eu to do, because imagine if eu leaders were to say, you can only have this extension if you have a general election. Well, that would be directly interfering in the domestic politics of what is still an eu member state, and they cant really be seen to be doing that, and legally its extremely questionable, so i think this is a time for noise, time for making a point, but i think, when the extension itself is granted, they will say, we expect you to do a, b or c, use it wisely and so on, but not actually put concrete conditions attached to it. Lets focus on the uk side of this equation. Boris johnson met this morning with opposition leaderjeremy corbyn. In the least Surprising Development of the day, we were told nothing was agreed. And the two met at Prime Ministers questions not long afterwards. It is a great shame that the house, as it were, willed the end, mr speaker, but not the means, but there is still time for the right honourable gentleman to do that and to explain to the people of this country how he proposes to honour his promise that he made repeatedly and deliver on the will of the people and get brexit done. He threw Northern Ireland undera bus, he ripped up protections for workers rights and environmental standards, lost every vote along the way and tried to prevent genuine democratic scrutiny and debate. We are looking at two likely possibilities. If the eu grants an extension, borisjohnson possibilities. If the eu grants an extension, Boris Johnson could possibilities. If the eu grants an extension, borisjohnson could try and get his dealfor a parliament with a bit more time for it, or he could seek a general election during that extension. Jessica parker is in westminster. Im wondering, given the numbers looked pretty good for the numbers looked pretty good for the Prime Minister on the first vote last night, why wouldnt he just ta ke last night, why wouldnt he just take a few more weeks to get this over the line . A general election risks it all. Downing street are saying, now lets the programme motion, as it is known, the timetabling motion has been rejected, they are concerned this thing could go on and on and, whilst the majority of mps backed the principle of a deal last night, once they get into the detail of it and amendments start coming forward, the whole thing could get lost along the way, and i suppose there might be a fear you could end up with something fairly unrecognisable compared to what the Prime Minister originally presented. Its no secret that Boris Johnson once a general election. He strikes twice before to get mps to back one, but they havent. He needs two thirds of mps, under the fixed term parliaments act, to secure that general election, and we will wait and see if he gives it another though. If the labour party is committed to stopping this form of brexit, a general election would seem to offer the best way of doing that. Why isnt itjust agreeing . The labour official position is it doesnt want a general election until no deal is off the table. What exactly that means, i think, is worthy of attention, because you could argue, even if the eu did offer a three month extension, you could still be looking at the possibility of no till at the end of january, the possibility of no deal at the end of a transition period, if you get to a stage where a deal is approved, but there is a view amongst quite a lot of labour mps that they dont want an election for a number of reasons, with some of them thinking the labour party might do badly, and some of them not relishing the idea of a december election. I dont think labour mps are necessarily alone on that. It isnt seen as a particularly good time of year. Voters dont necessarily want politicians on their doorstep at christmas, the weather might not be good and it is rather dark. They might seem strange reasons, but they seem to be actual consideration for mps looking ahead to when might be best for a nationwide poll. Heres a tweet from the liberal democrat mp sarah woolaston. Shes also tweeted a copy of the letter the Prime Minister sent her. It essentially says, yes, i am pulling out tomorrows commitments. How unusual is that . Not that unusualfor how unusual is that . Not that unusual for Boris Johnson. Dr sarah wollaston, a former conservative, now lived mmp, pointing out that its third time hes postponed his appointment with the liaison committee, this committee of senior mps who chair various select committees. She is pretty angry, as area number of committees. She is pretty angry, as are a number of labour mps, Yvette Cooper branding it disgraceful. In that letter, borisjohnson said he has to focus on delivering brexit, and hed rather appear five has to focus on delivering brexit, and hed rather appearfive or six months after hes become Prime Minister, which would be around december orjanuary, and some conservative mps coming to his defence, saying it is rubbish to say he is dodging scrutiny, but its fairto he is dodging scrutiny, but its fair to say that pulling out with just over 12 hours noticed, he was due at 10am tomorrow, that is probably quite unusual, and it certainly likely to attract the ire of Opposition Mps involved in that committees, who think its an important way scrutinising the Prime Minister. Always good to get you on. We appreciate your help. Much more on brexit on the bbc news app. We all know we have to tackle the amount of plastic in the environment but the question is how to break down such durable material. There is a scientific breakthrough. A deal to save British Steel from collapse is in doubt tonight, leaving 25,000 jobs at risk at the plant and in its supply chain. Heres our Consumer Affairs correspondent, colletta smith. There was good news over the summer, as Ataer Holdings were announced as the preferred bidder to buy the company. That meant that they had exclusive access to all the documents and financial paperwork of the company for them to have a good look through and decide whether they wanted to buy the company. But, in the meantime, the good news for the workers was that they kept their jobs and the furnace is behind me have kept burning through that period. But there were questions raised about whether the investment arm of the Turkish Armed forces should be allowed to buy such a Significant Company here in the uk. Today, the official receiver and the government have said that, from tomorrow, they are going to be open to talks with other companies who might be interested in buying the business here. This is 0utside source live from the bbc newsroom. 0ur lead story is. British police are trying to establish the identities of 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in south east england. Four people are missing and one person has died in flooding in north east spain. Heavy rain has hit much of southern europe, causing flash floods in northern italy and blocked roads in the south of france. The un has warned that 11 million North Koreans nearly half the population are undernourished. It says around 300,000 of the children affected faced an increased risk of death. Thats from bbc korean service. New Research Says Blood Pressure drugs that are taken every day are more effective when taken at night. A study of nearly 20,000 people in spain says switching to evening doses gives more protection against heart attacks and strokes. We know Single Use Plastics are a huge environmental problem. Thats in part because the bonds that give commonly used plastic its strength and durability are also the reason it takes so long to degrade. Well, a team of us scientists has come up with a new technique which breaks down those bonds. 0ne professor involved called it a eureka moment. Heres victoria gill. New Research Published today essentially turns plastic bags into motor oil. Its a study from North Western university in illinois in the us, and the scientists have taken a polythene bag in the lab, put it into a reactor and, with a clever catalytic process, theyve essentially chopped it up into smaller units, transforming it chemically into a liquid. Now, this is a really interesting approach, but whats particularly interesting about this is that its an example of a much bigger approach towards the chemical recycling of plastic. Plastic waste is building up in the environment, so many of us will have heard about that, and meanwhile about a Million Tonnes of new plastic are made every day. While recycling normally uses a mechanical approach, which means each of the different polymers or plastics have to be sorted into the different types, they are then melted down and formed into these little beads which can be melted and remoulded, this essentiallyjust breaks down the plastic into the same type of plastic, so it can be moulded into new objects. Chemical recycling, on the other hand, is quite different. It takes these plastics and, crucially, it can take may be a mixture of different polymers and plastics and transforms them chemically using a process like this one that the scientists here have used into Something Else. That could be an oil, a liquid or maybe a food stop that could be used to make a new plastic. This is something that industry are throwing a lot of money behind. There are a lot of companies in the us, asia and europe trying to figure out a way to use chemical processes to chemically transform plastic into something of much higher value. Facebook boss Mark Zuckerberg has been grilled by members of congress over plans to launch a Digital Currency called libra. He pledged to resolve their concerns about the new currency and accepted facebook faces a number of challenges. The idea behind libra is that sending money should be as easy and secure as sending a message. Libra will be a global payment system, fully backed by a reserve of cash and highly liquid assets. I believe that this is something that needs to get built, but i get that i am not the ideal messenger for this right now. We faced a lot of issues over the past few years, and i am sure there are a lot of people wish it were anyone but facebook who were helping to propose this. Dave lee has been following proceedings at capitol hill box 2 rant. Another mostly uncomfortable visit to washington for Mark Zuckerberg. The subject of discussion this time round was their ambition is to launch a Global Crypto currency called libre. Mark zuckerberg said, if they were held back from seeing that ambition through, somebody else would step in their place, and that could be a company in china. Mark zuckerberg pledge to only launch libra if could get libra if the company could get approvalfrom all approval from all the relevant regulators in the us. The company was criticised over its recent policy changes on political adverts and how theyve decided no longer to fa ct and how theyve decided no longer to fact check little advertising on the platform, and there is growing concern that new features which will be added to facebooks messenger app in the future could make it easier for criminals to share images of child abuse. There is a feeling here thatis child abuse. There is a feeling here that is growing that lawmakers think should be concentrating on solving its existing problems before taking ona its existing problems before taking on a huge new project like libra. Boeing says it expects this plane the 737 max will be back its been grounded worldwide after two deadly crashes. The airplane has been costly for boeing. In its most recent numbers released today net profit plunged by more than half to 1. 2 billion. What has bowen changed to make sure this plane is safe when it previously wasnt . They have made a lot of technical changes to the plane so it wouldnt suffer some of the same deadly consequences you seen the same deadly consequences you seenin the same deadly consequences you seen in the past. Why they are so confident that they think they will be able to get this plane up and running, one of the reasons is they have been working in close contact with american regulators, and so we heard from Dennis Mullen burke, head of bowen, who says, look, he believes its going to happen by the end of the year. That said, even if he does, they are not out of the woods yet, because european regulators are not going to take the word of the faa, american regulators, that they are going to wa nt to regulators, that they are going to want to do their own testing, so who knows how long it will be before we see these planes up and running outside the us. Zuma b this means a staggered reintroduction, presumably this means a staggered reintroduction . It would certainly appear that way, i would just add, in terms of what we have seen from their numbers today, if this goes on for much longer, in terms of the grounding of these planes, it could become a lot more costly for the company. Is really useful. Similar river seine in new york. In the second half of the programme, we will turn back to brexit, and well cap you up to date with what is happening in Northern Syria, too. Hello there. Weve had some severe thunderstorms reported across parts of north east spain. From north east spain and affecting southern france. Now, just near the border of spain and france, thats already picked up 202mm of rain in the last 2a hours. Now, that rain has been causing big problems across the north east of spain. We have had reports of flooding problems, there have been some damaging gusts of wind, and we will probably see similar scenes to these across southern france. Now, beyond that, as we look at the forecast into thursday, this area of thunderstorms is going to push eastwards. So sardinia and mainland italy, the main focus of the heavier downpours through thursday. Cooler air extends into southern france, and for spain and portugal, there will be some showers that will be nowhere near as heavy. Now, those storms have partly been kicked off by an upper area of low pressure. So this is the jet stream passing what looks like a giant octopus, a big ridge of High Pressure bringing fine weather to eastern europe. But down towards the south east of europe, its a different story, with troughing downstream of our thunderstorm activity, and we are starting to see an area of low pressure spin up. Now, this one could be quite nasty as well, affecting, perhaps, parts of egypt, maybe parts of the west bank, isreal, that kind of area could see some damaging gusts of wind as we look at the forecast over the next few days. A risk of some localised flash flooding as well. Meanwhile, in india, we continue to see a couple of areas of low pressure. This one in the bay of bengal, it will weaken with time, but it has been bringing heavy rain to eastern areas, and this one out in the arabian sea is forecast to strengthen. We are still expecting this initially to become a depression, then on into a cyclonic storm. Although there is some doubt about where exactly its heading, its probably going to be close enough to the west coast of india to bring torrential rain northwards, bringing a risk with it of some localised Flooding Issues. So you can see the winds beginning to accelerate, as that cyclonic storm really starts to strengthen and deepen. But, as i say, there is a bit of uncertainty in the exact track of that developing system. Meanwhile, we have got this typhoon out into the pacific ocean. Thats going to bend away from japan, but this area of cloud you can see here on the satellite picture, is a developing area of low pressure thats going to be bringing some heavy, thundery rain. So we could see some localised Flooding Issues here as a result of the torrential downpours. Spinning across towards the United States now, we have cold weather pushing southwards at the moment, bringing some snowfall to the mountains of colorado and new mexico. Could get 30 cm of snow here over the next 24 48 hours. Here in the uk, outbreaks of rain for a time across england and wales to come tomorrow, sunny spells and blustery showers for scotland and Northern Ireland. Thats your weather. Hello, im ros atkins, this is outside source. British police are trying to establish the identities of 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in southeast england. The 25 year old driver has been arrested. The brexit stalemate continues as the uk awaits a decision from the eu about yet another deadline extension. President trump says hes lifting all sanctions on turkey after they agreed to a ceasefire in Northern Syria. But he stands firm that us troops have no role there. Let someone else fight over this long blood stained sand. And google says that for the First Time Ever a computer has achieved quantum supremacy David Shukman will tell us all about it. Lets return to our top story and the investigation into the deaths of 39 people whose bodies were found inside a lorry in the english county of esses. Police say the truck left zeebrugge in belgium, and went across the channel to the uk. Damien grammaticas is in zeebrugge. The main investigation is in the uk but the Belgian Police have said that the federal prosecutors here have an open investigation, and they are also looking into what happened. They are not certain at the minute the exact sequence of events, and are looking into the fact that this trailer unit, in fact, the container on the back of the truck and the trailer it was on may have started here, because there is daily connections here to the uk, three orfour sailings a day across container, so thats 4000 continues back and forth, or trucks back and forth, and the thinking is that it may have originated here. Last night, in a sort of afternoon sailing, probably, it seems, that arrived in the uk, just around midnight. So thats what they are looking into. The prosecutors have also said that there is another route as well from the port of rotterdam a little bit further up the coast. One a day roughly from there, i think, so they are also considering that as an option. But the thinking is, at the minute, that it may well have been from here. And more broadly, do the people who work there acknowledge that people smuggling is an issue they are dealing with . Yes, absolutely. And it has been for a very very long time as well. Now, there are, at the minute, already joint uk and belgian operations. Uk police or Border Force Officers who are working here to ensure the links back and forth in communication back and forth, they have already helped to try to control the issue here, and all the way down the coast, i mean, its not that far down the coast from here where you get to the french ports, where we know that there has been a lot of publicity about the issues there with migrants trying to get across the channel tunnel and on fairies. But they also come up the coast here and try to go from ports here. And we know as long ago is nearly 20 years ago, there was, in fact, and even more serious incident when 58 people of chinese origin where on a container that went to the port of dover and suffocated in that container, so its been a problem for a very long time, that attempts have been made to control. President trump has announced that he will be lifting sanctions imposed on turkey after he received assurances that a ceasefire in Northern Syria would be made permanent. Here he is on it. This was an outcome created by us, the United States, and nobody else. No other nation. Very simple. We are willing to take blame, and we are also willing to take credit. This is something theyve been trying to do it for many, many decades. Bear in mind, turkey began its offensive against Kurdish Forces after President Trump effectively gave it the green light by telling president erdogan us troops were being pulled out. That led to a political backlash from inside his own party. Kurdish forces had helped a Us Led Coalition defeat the Islamic State Group Critics the us was abandonning its allies. President erdogan though sees them as terrorists. He claims they are one and the same as the kurdish pkk group which has carried out attacks in turkey. The deal yesterday was cut by the leaders of turkey and russia but President Trump is nevertheless saying he and he alone is responsible for it. Heres Chris Buckler in washington. President trump is really trying to spin this as being a huge success for america. Ultimately, you are right, that many people do blame President Trump for having that conversation with president erdogan, essentially moving troops, and allowing turkey to go ahead with this invasion of Northern Syria will stop and there are many, particularly within the Kurdish Forces command within the Kurdish People who have been displaced. Remember, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, as well as some people killed, who feel betrayed and abandoned by america. Their ally who fought alongside them against the Islamic State group. But President Trump is saying time and time again, that as far as hes concerned, the pain and suffering of that three day fight which happened after troops were moved away from the border and allowed turkey to go in, he says that was responsible for getting turkey and kurds to make a deal. He also made a point of saying all of this happened without the spelling of any american blood. But of course, there was kurdish blood spilt in all of this. And although there are many people extremely critical in washington, particularly even some members of his own Republican Party who has felt he has let his allies down, it is also worth saying that the Kurdish Forces have actually thanked President Trump today for their efforts, they have also suggested that hes going to keep a partnership going in some way with the kurdish lead sdf forces. But exactly what that means we cannot be sure, because it was very clear from that speech today that President Trump has no interest in the middle east. He wants to get troops out. Yesterday mps voted in support of borisjohnsons Withdrawal Agreement bill which would take the uk out of the european union. But mps rejected the governments three day timetable for getting the bill through parliament. This is what borisjohnson said at Prime Ministers questions today. They said that wed never get it through parliament. And they did their utmost, didnt they . They did their utmost to stop it going through parliament. And we got it through Parliament Last night, mr speaker. So thats borisjohnson, in the house of commons, saying the deal got through Parliament Last night. Except it didnt. Not at all. Nor has it passed parliament as the Prime Minister told Convservative Party members in a letter today. The bill got through whats called its seond reading a significant moment no doubt, as theresa mays deal never received a parliaementary majority. But there are still further stages it has to go through in parliament during which mps might choose to reject it outright or may amend it before it becomes law. You can look at this from faisal islam, bbcs economics editor picked up on Something Else the Prime Minister said earlier. This seems to be a discrepancy between what the Prime Ministers saying and what is actually in his deal. Bbcs andrew neil spoke to the Justice Minister about this earlier quoting the Prime Ministers words. If there are no checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, there will be some light touch measures to assure no illegal trade and endangered animal species and banned firearms, but thats not true, is it . Its going to cover all goods going from Northern Ireland, surrey, from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. I think he is making a distinction between administrative, what we used to call paperwork, a lot of it would be done digitally. Under sort of checks, the actual physical checks that of course wouldve been a real issue when it comes to making sure that there was that seamless niss within our ireland, and of course that issue about the border, east, west, i think theres a difference. But there will be checks. Well, there will be some administrative procedures, and i think. Which is also known as checks. Well, it could be. Otherwise. Borisjohnsons team briefed that he had no intention of prorouging parliament, and then he did. Mrjohnson said he would never ask for a brexit extension and then did on saturday, as the law required of him. He also promised brexit would happen on 31 october come what may. That looks unlikely now. They have been funding adverts telling people to get ready for that eventuality. Their strategy are to carried dress, and it looks unlikely that will happen. And these reasons and others going back to mr johnsons career, the issue of trust is central to the decisions mps are making about brexit, especially the decisions being taken by Opposition Mps. Its also relevant, because we are getting sides of what an Election Campaign might look like. For example, here is the conservative Party Twitter account saying Boris Johnsons conservative Party Twitter account saying borisjohnsons new brexit deal. It goes on to say. But there is no real way of getting around the fact that what the conservative party is saying about the deal there is simply untrue. I spoke to cindy from the spectator, cindy, some would argue that the political consequences of saying something thats either inaccurate or completely untrue are perhaps not as profound as once they were. Well, borisjohnson wants the voters to have a say on whether or not they think he is trustworthy. He is calling for a general election, you know, he is trying to dig into the country and voters, generally speaking, in the past, have always given their say in the polling booth anyway. So i dont know if he is trying to avoid judgement as such, i do think there is a point of the social media age that news and especially disinformation and fake news goes around so especially disinformation and fake news goes around so much faster. You have these things from number ten sources, whoever they may be, everything things outs, and journalists reporting them pretty quickly, and for it to become truth, when actually come i could just be a bit of political spending going on a small, but i mean, borisjohnson lies sometimes, but a lot of the times, hejust lies sometimes, but a lot of the times, he just twist the truth. With that clip of Robert Buckland you just show now. Its a euphemism, isnt it . Administrative, what did he say, administrative forms as procedures, yeah, exactly. If that is not checks i dont know what is. But that is not a strict ally as such either. So what theyre doing is twisting the truth in a way that is twisting the truth in a way that is harder to disprove. And trying not to lie outright. I wonder if there is Something Else going on there, in the case of donald trump, he says things that are very easily proven to be untrue, but theres also quite a lot of evidence to suggest his supporters dont mind and that they make a calculation they will support him anyway. Do you see equivalent political patterns here in the uk . Yes, everything in british politics now has to be seen through the lens of brexit. So you know, there are polls showing that borisjohnson is know, there are polls showing that Boris Johnson is not know, there are polls showing that borisjohnson is not as trustworthy as theresa may, but when you are asking the question of who you trust to deliver brexit, borisjohnson consistently comes out on top beyond other opposition leaders. So thats the sort of thing that voters are thinking about. Who will actually deliver this democratic mandate that we had a few years ago, and even though he may not be a trustworthy person, he is going to be the politician that delivers that. So i think that would be the gamble that number ten is making command i think so number ten is making command i think so far, there have been completely wrecked. I am interested in the point that you are making that with social media, sometimes high impact messages, even if they are in a grey area will travel a lot than one which is precisely accurate. Presumably, all of the Political Parties are aware of that and are trying to measure their tactics accordingly. Yes, ithink trying to measure their tactics accordingly. Yes, i think so. Trying to measure their tactics accordingly. Yes, ithink so. I mean, although, you look at the labour party and he sort of think my gosh, up yourgame labour party and he sort of think my gosh, up your game a little bit here. But you know, lets take saturdays vote for example, it was getting pretty clear that it wasnt going to go through because of this amendment which nullifies the meaningful vote, it makes it meaningless. Number ten sources where briefing from pretty early in the day, if this goes through, which will completely pull the Withdrawal Agreement, we will call a general election, those were all threats. They are not technically government policy. And they are not technically anything else, but they are report worthy, they are newsworthy things to report on. And can i ask you more broadly, the spectators of broad church to make us it would be a right of centre publication, mr johnsons got a big decision document as he pushed to try to get this deal through, does he have a general election first . Is there any more consensus among your writers and editors as to what the best strategy would be . Welcome you know, we pride ourselves on being really broad church, so if number ten itself is split, and thats what im hearing as well at the moment, that i dont think the spectator is that much more united on this. A number ten, really interestingly, youve got the dominic cummings, lets just got the dominic cummings, lets just go foran got the dominic cummings, lets just go for an election, lets go for it, people versus parliaments, we will win on that message. Then there are people like eddie lester who are thinking, lets get this deal through you know, and voted against the timetable, but not the deal itself, necessarily. So if you go at a slower pace, maybe you can get your deal through, and then go to the country afterwards. So number ten itself is split as well. Thanks cindy committed to have you on the programme, appreciated, those of you watching to be you can read cindy and her colleagues on the spectator website and of course in the magazine as well. Now, here on outside source, we are going to turn away from rex. We will to chile. Its day six of violent protests in chile, 18 people have been killed so far, well be live with our correspondent in the capital santiago. Universities have done too little to tackle racism on campus according to the equality and human rights commission. It says a quarter of black and asian Students Experience racial harassment and that universities are reluctant to face up to it. Universities have described the report as sobering and shocking. Heres our education editor branwenjeffreys. Universities, places of learning but not always tolerance. This t shirt, worn to a student event this term. Leicester university has disciplined the students involved. I met a recent graduate were calling angela. She was in a lecture at a medical school. Instead of talking about afro caribbean women, the senior tutor repeatedly used the n word. Everyone was very shocked. You kind of hear everyone gasping. There was an audible gasp in the lecture theatre. For you, as a black student, what was the emotional and psychological impact . It makes me feel quite left out and segregated and kind of like i dont belong. For some students, the effect of racism is devastating. Universities worry about their reputation and thats got in the way of taking racism on campus seriously. Students will only come forward if there is a safe way of reporting their concerns and if they know they will be acted on. Manchester uni has pioneered this app. It has encouraged more students to report. No one wants to think that theyre in an institution that is seen as sexist, racist or anything else. Absolutely, there is always a tension and nervousness. It is making everyone sit up. There were lots of people who were surprised and shocked at what is coming forward. Universities say the report is sobering. They are promising urgent action. Brangwyn jeffries, bbc news, manchester. This is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. Our lead story is . British police are trying to establish the identities of 39 people found dead in the back of a lorry in southeast england. Republican lawmakers in the us have disrupted the democrat led trump impeachment inquiry, as a Senior Pentagon specialist was about to testify behind closed doors. A group of about two dozen barged into a special high security hearing room in washington, and began yelling complaints that the democrats were conducting the process in private. The testimony finally got under way, four hours late. The un has warned that 11 million North Koreans nearly half the population are undernourished. It says around 300,000 of the children affected faced an increased risk of death. Thats from bbc korean. New Research Says Blood Pressure drugs that are taken every in fares on the metro theyve now grown into major unrest which has lead to the deaths of 18 people. Today the countrys main unions launched a general strike which closed schools and public buildings. These are the latest images coming into the newsroom. These shots were from the city of valparaiso as people marched through the streets on wednesday valparaiso is on the coastjust to the west of the capital santiago. Protests there were huge today two you can see people moving en masse towards the president al Palace Police used water cannon and tear gas on protestors, whod set up barricades and lit fires in the street. The protests show no signs of abating despite the govenrment offering significant concessions including a 20 increase in the basic pension. President pineras initial response to the protests was to say the country was at war with a powerful, relentless enemy but he later changed tack nd even apologised. Translation faced with the legitimate needs and social demands of the citizens, we have listened with great attention and humility, because they have given us a very powerful message. The situation of inequality, of abuse has led to a genuine and authentic expression by millions and millions of chileans. I recognise this lack of vision, and i apologise to my compatriots. Katy watson is in santiago. First of all, i want to understand what these protesters would like the government to do, do they even speak with one voice . Well, i think thats the issue. There are so many criticisms, whether thats about health care, education, out of touch political elites, and as you said, the protests this time were sparked by a rise in metro fares. They have come to represent a much bigger issue of any quality, austerity, in this country, which is one of the most wealthy countries in the region. But in terms of equality, it has one of the largest gaps. When you go out onto the streets here in santiago, everybody is united in saying that they want the president to resign, they want the president to resign, they feel that the politicians are out of touch, structural change needs to happen. But everybody also has a very individual complaints, whether thats about education, health care, and general austerity in chile. Inevitably the cameras focus on the violence and clashes weve seen, but how representative of that is of the demonstrations more broadly . The vast majority of protesters are protesting peacefully. There are families, different groups across the city come across the country, you know, some more family orientated comes that are known for being a bit edgy. I was that are known for being a bit edgy. Iwas in that are known for being a bit edgy. I was in the focal point of the protests, and i went on to the general strike just protests, and i went on to the general strikejust a few protests, and i went on to the general strike just a few hours ago, the feeling there, certainly, it felt more angry than it did just yesterday. Even though there have been these concessions. I think the feeling is that the concessions are too little too late. And people were carrying posters saying that he needs to resign. There was a lot of angen needs to resign. There was a lot of anger, notjust directed at the politicians, there was anger directed at the media, they felt that the media was misrepresenting what was going on. We were pushed out of the crowds. It felt tense. There was tear gas being thrown, the helicopters circling overhead. Certainly, a lot of people who feel they dont want to give up this fight, if you like, and they want to see the president to go. 0k, katie, thank you very much, perhaps we will talk tomorrow. That is katie live with us in santiago. We are going to finish by talking about google, for the first time, a computer has achieved whats called quantum supremacy. Tweet googleai using a fully programmable, 54 qubit processor, its clearly a big moment im not the person to explain why. The bbcs science editor David Shukman is. 0k, ok, so its a bit like going from the age of the candle, candles work well to eliminate a room into the edge of a light bulb. Think of the flexibility and power of a light bulb. We talked about Quantum Computers as if they are in any way similarto computers as if they are in any way similar to the computers that we are familiar with. In fact, they are a massive step change in power. So calculations that would normally ta ke te ns calculations that would normally take tens of thousands of years in the case of this google announcements now take a matter of minutes. This is enabled by some tricky science here. Its hard to get your head around this. But currently, your ipad, my phone, all the computers in this newsroom, work bya the computers in this newsroom, work by a series of tiny electronic switches sending electrons one way or another. They are on or they are off. Now in the weird world of the quantum computer an electron, a switch can be on and off at the same time. It does your head in. But what this means, and this is the important bits, is that rather than you press a button on your ipad and a succession of different steps happens to do a calculation, you can have multiple, millions of calculations happening at the same time, hence the computing can be so much faster. Have i left you puzzled there . What does google actually have to build, what does it actually have to have in order to do that different type of calculation . So its a really weird looking machine, dripping with cables. It obviously costs a lot of money, being worked on in secret and ill publish. So what it does is that rather than using what are called bits from a little bit individual items of information use whats called cubits, 53 of them were working in this computer in harness. Now its a strange this computer in harness. Now its a strange process this computer in harness. Now its a strange process thats going on inside, not even fully understood by the people who are working on it because Quantum Mechanics is called a very weird world, but the result is they claim tremendous has been Peer Reviewed and published in the journal, so one has to take it seriously, is that you get this incredible acceleration and speed of processing. In the potential if this can be made to wear, not immediately, but in the decades ahead is incredible. I will see you tomorrow. Bye bye. Hello. Theres been no shortage of wet weather across the uk so far this month. For some of us, its certainly set to be an above average month though in terms of rainfall. Another dollop of heavy rain to come for parts of england and wales to end the week and into the weekend. Some wet weather around to the west of england and, of course, wales for first thing on thursday, but that will drift eastwards as the day goes on. Some heavier downpours though i think for a time across eastern england. Further northwest, a band of quite punchy showers rolling across Northern Ireland and into western scotland, will be accompanied by gusty winds. As those showers move through, we will pull in some colder air behind this area of low pressure to the north. Still, to the south, some pretty mild air from the continent, and where the two meet for friday, weather fronts, and that will push in through the course of the day to england and wales. The low centre, further north, continues to feed showers into the northwest of scotland, some rather chilly air as well. Theres a bit of weight there on the chart, yes, theres a chance of some snow across the tops of the mountains. Further south, the rain, heavy particularly for wales in Northern England. Naturally, bumping into the colder air further north, we could even see a little snow across the pennines. Big contrast to the temperatures across the uk on friday. Single figures in the north up to 15 in the southeast. And then that frontjust continues snaking away across england and wales all the way through friday night and on into saturday, before it will slowly pull away southwards. Hence, some concerns that the amount of rainfall could cause localised flooding, certainly i think some difficult travelling conditions, thanks to sir for water and spray. Surface water and spray. Heres saturday, not a pretty picture across much of england and wales, although, Northern England should become increasingly dry and see some brighter spells. More showers for scotland and Northern Ireland, and again, there are some quite keen winds, and a chilly field to proceedings as well, thanks to the northwesterly wind, with highs ofjust 8 9 degrees. We still cling onto 1a degrees in the southeast. Overnight saturday into sunday, a change for all of us. The clocks go back, we lose an hour, but more important perhaps, overnight saturday into sunday, a change in the weather. Finally, this front will pull away into the continent. High pressure starts to build from the west, and that looks like it would like to stay with us on into next week and settle things down. However, as it does so, it will also introduce some chillier air with a northerly airstream. So a change from wet and windy autumnal weather as we look towards the end of the weekend and into next week. To crisper, chillier conditions, with the risk of overnight frosts. Sunday should see some decent of sunshine across the uk, but it will feel cooler. Top temperatures perhaps 11 12 degrees. And i think quite an extensive frost as we go into the early part of monday. But, for next week, as that height establishes itself, quite a significant change to what we have had. A much drier story for the coming days, but it will feel different as well. Here we go then, sunday into monday, the area of High Pressure extending across the uk, one thing we are watching closely though, is this low to the south. Theres just some uncertainty that may run into southernmost reaches of the uk, and bring some rainfall. At the moment, we are favouring the High Pressure though dominating the story. For first thing on monday, quite a widespread frost, and then with that area of High Pressure in place, we should see plenty of sunshine as we look at the days ahead on into next week. But look out for some chillier nights. Tonight at10 00, a Murder Investigation is under way, after the bodies of 39 people are discovered in a lorry container in essex. The container had crossed the English Channel from the belgian port of zeebrugge. Police say they cant rule out the involvement of organised crime gangs. This is an absolute tragedy, and a very sad day for essex police and the local community. We will continue to work alongside many other Partner Agencies to find out what led to these deaths. The driver, a 25 year old man from Northern Ireland, has been named locally as mo robinson from County Armagh. Hes been arrested on suspicion of murder. Police forensic teams say their First Priority is to identify the victims, but they warn the process could take some time