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Join that club, what does it mean . Youre going to make me emotional. Stop saying it. Well be celebrating her win. Belfasts high court is about to decide whether Northern Irelands abortion laws are in breach of the uks human rights commitments. The case was brought by sarah ewart who travelled to england to have a termination after she was told her unborn child wouldnt survive outside the womb. Ifi if i have had this procedure at home, i would if i have had this procedure at home, iwould have if i have had this procedure at home, i would have had a grave to visit, or ashes. That breaks my heart. Ill be speaking to sarah ewart live on the programme once that decision comes in. Brexit its over to you, eu. As borisjohnson gets ready to answer questions from mps on his new look brexit plan this morning, the big question is what does brussels make of it . What i can say from the leaks we have seen, that what is being put forward is not promising, and does not appear to form the basis for an agreement. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. The Prime Minister borisjohnson will outline his plans for a new brexit deal to mps in the house of commons later this morning. At the conservative Party Conference he revealed plans for Northern Ireland stay in the european Single Market for goods but leave the customs union. European leaders are still considering a detailed response but some question whether the proposals will break the deadlock before the uk is due to leave the eu on 31st october. The brexit secretary says the plans should given proper consideration. These are serious proposals. As Jean Claude Juncker has said, these are serious proposals. As jean claudejuncker has said, he is not wedded to the backstop and they recognise it has been rejected three times by the uk parliament, so its important we have a way forward to leave with a deal and what the Prime Minister has set out as a clear way of doing so. Belfasts high court is due to rule this morning on a legal challenge against Northern Irelands abortion laws. Rules around terminations in Northern Ireland are are more restrictive than in the rest of the uk. The case has been brought by sarah ewart, who travelled to england to have a termination, after she was told her unborn child had a fatal condition. She argues that the laws on abortions in Northern Ireland breach human rights commitments. And victoria will be speaking to sarah ewart on this programme in a few minutes. Reports of rape, Sexual Assault and harassment at uk universities have tripled in the last three years according to a bbc investigation. Universities told the bbc they recorded more than 1,400 allegations of Sexual Harassment or Sexual Violence against students in 2018 19 up from a76 in 2016 17. The investigation also discovered that many institutions have failed to act on guidelines, but universities say they are making progress on dealing with the issue. The high court will rule this morning on whether the government discriminated against nearly four million women born when it raised the state pension age. Campaigners argue that the changes werent adequately communicated and have left women born in the 1950s and 60s badly prepared for their retirement. Scotland is on course to become the first country in the uk to make smacking children a criminal offence. A ban is expected to be passed overwhelmingly in the Scottish Parliament this afternoon. Parents and carers are currently allowed to use reasonable physical force to discipline children. The government has for the first time announced a ban on exports of drugs which are in short supply for nhs patients. The 2a medicines affected include hormone replacement therapies, contraceptives and adrenaline pens. The decision follows a survey of local pharmacists which found shortages of every major type of medicine in the past six months. That was summary of the main news so far. Back now to victoria. Dina asher smith just become the first british woman to win a major global sprint title and only the seventh to win gold at a world athletics championships. And shes in very good company. As you can see, behind me. Shes 23 years old. Shes from london and she studied history at Kings College tand graduated in 2017. Shes been running since she was eight and has had the same coach for 14 years she sastohn blackie is like her second dad. She says her mum julie is her number one fan and helps keep her grounded. Lets take a look at her awesome race from last night. Dina asher smith blasts out of the blocks, and passing brown outside her. She is on a brilliant stretch and she has to control it into the home straight. Its Dina Asher Smith, but brown is closer, but Dina Asher Smith is away and she is going to take the gold medal. Its Dina Asher Smith. She is the champion. World champion. Dina has done it. And look at the time, 21. 88. Its not a lot faster than berlin, only 100, but 21. 88. Its not a lot faster than berlin, only100, but its 21. 88. Its not a lot faster than berlin, only 100, but its a new National Record and she jumps as she has got the bronze. Dina asher smith is the World Champion. She barely broke sweat, didnt she . Heres what she had to say after that race. Dina asher smith, World Champion over the 200 metres. We can see the emotion, we can see how much it means to you. Its rare that we see you break down but, my goodness, you deserve it thank you, i dont know what to say. I dont think its properly sunk in. Its just somthing that. Between now and the last world champs, john and i knew i could do it but theres a different thing going and doing it and to run 10. 83 and 21. 88, being tired. Its been a long champs. It means so much. Im sorry. Six races back to back, to end with a 21. 88, a personal best. You timed your season to perfection. Anyone watching will be thinking, this is exhausting, but you could see how motivated you were to do it. I was tired. I woke up today thinking, this is it. Obviously, i had the relay but this is the last individual and this is the moment you did all your work for. This is what we knew we could achieve if the season went well. Obviously, the tiredness disappeared when i needed it to. Its been a big deal. Had i not stopped you and said, go back to your mother, she would have got to me. So, to see your mum and to see your dad and everybody here, the support has been amazing. How much does that mean to you . It means so much. There are so many british fans here. I know there are a lot of british People Living in doha but loads have travelled. For my mum to be here, my dad, john, and his wife, my physios and everything. It means honestly so much. Im sorry. Normally, im quite chatty and full of energy but im just like, lost for words. Its a different thing, everybody being like, youre the favourite, of whatever, but youve still got to go and do it. Youre only the favourite if you perform how everybody expects you to. I was really focused on putting together a good race. I dreamt of this and its real now. You join a club of amazing women, Jessica Ennis hill, christine ohurougu, fatima whitbread. So many women as a World Champion, dina. To join that club, what does it mean . Youre going to make me emotional. Stop saying it. It means a lot. Yeah, it means a lot. Im really happy but ultimately im going to enjoy this one and use it as motivation, getting into the big one next year. Thank you so much. Were so proud of you. Congratulations and well done. Thank you so much. Thank you. Lets talk to britains former olympic sprint gold medallist, darren campbell. Good morning to you. How would you sum up this achievement . Unbelievable. Unbelievable. To think at the age of 23, to go to the World Championships with all that expectation, all that pressure, having had a fantastic season, but with people really looking at you and expecting you to bring back medals, to run the three rounds of the 100 metres and win a World Championship silver medal and then go into the 200 metres, which is her specialist event, and probably her favourite event, to then execute everything you need to do to get the fastest reaction on the night of all the competitors in the race, to come off the bend with a two metre lead and keep that composure and then finish with a National Record shows the type of athlete and character she is. I am a lay person when it comes to athletics, but it looked utterly effortless for her. Yeah, when its done properly. Thats what its supposed to look like. With regard to the 200 metres, there were maybe one or two athletes who potentially could have challenged her, so once they werent in the race she was able to relax a little bit more, but i she said, everybody gives you the favourite tag but you have to do it and there is no pressure being attached to be the favourite in such a fantastic way to win, very, very proud right now. How did she manage the pressure then . Ive known Dina Asher Smith since she was 12 years old, so a part of me, the fact that shes a history student and has a history degree, shejust student and has a history degree, she just loves the sport and understands the sport and understand what it takes to be successful and anything she doesnt understand, she will go and speak to people to understand and i think that has helped her develop and come to the fore at such a young age. We are talking about a 23 year old who gone to the World Championships and brought back to medals and potentially a third come in the relay. Exactly, what else can she achieve, notjust a but also in future olympics . I dont think theres a limit to what you can achieve. Put it this way, shes one of the most focused individuals i have had the pleasure to be around and very determined, so beneath the smile that we see, beneath a bubbly character, their somebody extremely determined and its almost like when she stands on that line there is a switch that she switches and she goes into focus mode and she will do whatever it takes to be the best. As long as she continues on that path, i dont know what shes capable of, i honestly dont know. Part of it as im started talking about it, im going, gold next year, may be two gold medals. As you came back from the olympics with two bronze medals in the sprint events, that is unbelievable, but i would just go, who knows what is possible . So exciting. I wouldnt bet against her coming back from tokyo with at least one gold medal. Before you go, darren and i know youve got to go to meetings, but a quick word about Katarina Johnson thompson. She leads the heptathlon after four events, Katarina Johnson thompson. She leads the heptathlon afterfour events, a lead of 96 points and she looks on fire, she looks happy, she looks co mforta ble. Fire, she looks happy, she looks comfortable. What can she achieve at these World Championships . comfortable. What can she achieve at these World Championships . I had the pleasure of interviewing her a few yea rs pleasure of interviewing her a few years ago which meant that i got to spend a lot of time with her and she isa spend a lot of time with her and she is a shy person and to think shes going out on the world stage to compete in seven events, you think, howd she get through it . But what i see in this is Katarina Johnson thompson is very happy and that feeling of enjoying and loving your sport, then what is possible is endless and watching her compete over the first four events, getting too personal best performances, i get the feeling it could be her championship and it bodes well going into tokyo next year. Just the way she finished the 200 metres after three difficult events and having to compete on those hot conditions, shes gone and stormed a fantastic 200 metres which put her in the lead going into the final day. Thank you very much, darren. Really appreciate your time. Thanks for talking to us and good luck to Katarina Johnson thompson and Dina Asher Smith in future relay events in this championship. Women affected by controversial changes to the state pension age have lost their Landmark High Court fight against the government. The retirement age for women rose from 60 to 65, in line with men, and will go up to 66 by 2020, and to 67 by 2028. Women born in the 1950s claim the rise is unfair because they were not given enough time to make adjustments to cope with years without a state pension. Up until 2010, women received their state pensions at the age of 60 but that has been rising since then. So they have lost their Landmark High Court fight against the government, thatjustin and the last few minutes. There will be huge disappointment as they have been to fighting for years, and its to do with the fact that those women born in the 1950s said that the rise was unfair because they were not given enough time to make adjustments to cope with years without a state pension. We will bring you more on that later in the programme. This afternoon, scotland could become the first country in the uk to make it a criminal offence for parents to smack their children. Parents and carers are currently allowed to use reasonable physical force to discipline children. But the Scottish Government has backed moves to give them the same protection from assault as adults. Lets talk to jamie gillies, who is from the be Reasonable Campaign, which is a coalition of parents and academics worried about these proposals. Chief executive for childrenfirst mary glasgow who has been campaigning for this change for years. And childhood trauma expert and parenting coach jane evans. Jamie, whatare jamie, what are you worried about . We think this shows a growing trend in scottish politics to intervene in family life i is a way that is disproportionate and we will see interventions in families which are damaging between relationships between parents and children and we will see parents criminalised for using smacking and mild physical discipline with their kids, which has happened in otherjurisdictions which have made the change and you have to ask the question if that is necessary and workable when you consider the problem that social workers already have in terms of trying to tackle and prevent child abuse. I would argue the current law is good and should be upheld. Mary glasgow, do you have sympathy from the point of view of the worry of pa rents the point of view of the worry of parents and others of the government interfering in their private family life. No, not at all. Ithink it is just scaremongering from jamie on the Christian Institute he represents. We have worked with children and families decades in scotland. Children have consistently told us that smacking hitting is humiliating, it interrupts the loving relationships they want to have with their parents and weve also supported and heard from parents up and scotland over the la st parents up and scotland over the last decade that when they hit their children it is because they lose control, they are angry, upset and it has never worked. Its not effective and most young parents in scotland now dont actually hit their children and recognise that their children and recognise that the law needs to change to give them clarity and to give some support. I wa nt clarity and to give some support. I want to give that message to children that their rights to be protected from physical assault will be respected. To give them the same difficulty. We have seen no increase in criminalisation and only positive things for family life. It is reasonable chastisement, reasonable smack, is that physical assault, mary . What this law and private members bill seeks to do is remove the justification ofjustified salt and the law is clear, and it removes. And the law is clear, and it removes. Sorry, i just and the law is clear, and it removes. Sorry, ijust lost my earpiece. It talks about removing the defence of justifiable earpiece. It talks about removing the defence ofjustifiable assault for children, so its important we are clear about the language, but more important that the law states clearly the principles, values and behaviours we want to see in scottish society, which is there is iio scottish society, which is there is no place for physical violence in the family home. Thank you for sorting your earpiece. We barely realise what was going on, an absolute professional. Jamie gillies, what is a reasonable smack, and when might a parent want to use and when might a parent want to use a reasonable smack . A reasonable smack is defined under the criminal justice of scotland act which is something light and moderate and mild and leaves nothing more than a transitory reddening of the skin, so in scotland we have one of the clearest yours in the uk against abuse and you are not allowed to hit abuse and you are not allowed to hit a child, you cannot smack its head 01 use any a child, you cannot smack its head or use any sort of implement, so reasonable chastisement is a tap on the hand, on the back of the legs, and with their children, im sure weve all had that many of us have had that in our own childhood experience and feel it did not do us any harm. Did it happen to you . Were you smacked as a child . Under what circumstances . One of the angles are used for my own experiences when i was quite young, maybe two or three andi was quite young, maybe two or three and i had an obsession with fireplaces and i kept reaching my hand into an electric fire, so my mum gave me verbal warnings and i kept putting my fingers in, and to indicate the danger to me. But a tap on the hand, i will demonstrate what i think is a tap on the hand, and i know you cannot see me. But the audience can and ive gotjane evans here. Would you regard this as a tap on the hand . That is a tap on the hand. Mary, its so light, it could not be described as a smack, you just couldnt, and that is what jamie is talking about, which after today, if the vote goes ahead will criminalise parents. It wont. Weve consistently heard from police officers, social workers, the overwhelming evidence presented to the committee on the Scottish Parliament was that this will not criminalise parents. It sends a message to children which is that we value you and protect you and you are the most vulnerable and precious citizens in the country and we will not endorse or allow anybody to use physical punishment to try and discourage your development as a healthy young person. Most importantly, it doesnt work. As christian, why do you need to use any physicality to prevent a child putting their hand in the fire or disciplining them . Its important to say that the de Reasonable Campaign isa say that the de Reasonable Campaign is a Broad Coalition and there are christians involved, but there are psychiatrist, msps and mps and they reflect the view of thousands of pa rents reflect the view of thousands of parents across the country and many of them use that light smack on the hand or backside with their children, sometimes and there are many parenting techniques. The campaign is not saying people should you smacking, but we are saying pa rents you smacking, but we are saying parents should have the right to use different parenting techniques in the bounds of the law as it stands, which does differentiate between what is reasonable and what is abuse and if parents should be free to bring up kids as they see fit in the state should not be interfering in a disproportionate way under way that will divide families and put parents against each other and pitch children against their parents. All of the distress caused by a Police Investigation on the social work investigation on the social work investigation into a family far outweighs any perceived harm is of a tap on the hand. I dont know why it would divide families if it was against the law . Some Family Lawyers this week spoke out because there was a family law specialist in wales at the Largest Family Law Firm and she issued a Statement Last month and said that smacking ban could cause turmoil in families and in Family Court Proceedings when pa rents a re Family Court Proceedings when parents are going through divorce, they might use a false allegation of smacking when throat fighting for custody of the kids and also talked about how children would be divided from their parents. If the Police Needed to investigate a family, it might involve removing a child from their parents during the prosecution that something is discretion to a young child and could damage that relationship. Jane evans is a parenting coast coach i, and you we re parenting coast coach i, and you were sighing. Its not ok to be so scaremongering about this. The reality are that its not going to get to that level. The poor social work system cant cope with people being brutally abused every day, so we shouldnt scare parents about this. Its die looting and diverting the attention away, and as mary keeps bringing up, the children, it devotes away from the children and their needs, not the parents. What is the evidence and the signs about smacking a child the science about smacking a child . Theres a huge amount of science to show that when we scare a child repeatedly, and lets be clear, its not so much the physical pain, itsjust we cant remember the level of physical pain, but what we do remember is the shock factor and we remember the shame. Its very shaming to be smacked and most importantly the fear. Whatever child, whatever the size, children are totally dependent oii size, children are totally dependent on the adults around them and they cannotjust pick on the adults around them and they cannot just pick up their phone and purse and walk out the door. They depend on them for love and for safety, so when they muddy the waters in this way, i will be really loving to you until you do something makes me want to hit you, it gives children a road map for relationships. Do you see a differentiation between a parent hitting a child and a light tap on the back of a hand . It is different though. If we were in an adult relationship, if i acted in a way where it was clear i was not just tapping you on the arm because you do noise me, we wouldnt be mulling over what is it a tap or a hit, it would be an assault, actually and it would be an assault, actually and it would not be ok. But if a child is a to put their hand in a fire, as jamie gave the example from his own childhood, and a parent pulled the hand away or tap them on the hand or smacked them on hand, is that assault . Jamie didnt say the fire was 011. Assault . Jamie didnt say the fire was on. He said it was a last resort. But put something in front of the fire. Children have underdeveloped brains and we cannot expect them to be told something and then carry it out because we cannot have a fully formed brain until we are in our305. Have a fully formed brain until we are in our 30s. If this goes ahead in scotland and the likelihood is it will, would you like to see it in the rest of the uk . Absolutely. I cant believe it is 2019 and we are not offering children the same protection we should be offering them than adults. Its deeply shaming and causes a lot of stress and distress to children and we have to support parents, fundamentally, to support parents, fundamentally, to move away from this. Mary glasgow, the department for education say they have no plans to follow suit. Your reaction to that . I think like follow suit. Your reaction to that . Ithink like jane, i follow suit. Your reaction to that . I think like jane, i feel it is incredibly sad. I celebrate what scotland has done in taking this action. Msps have consistently listened to the voices of children and young people across scotland for the last year and i hope they are about to respond to those voices and do the right thing for children. It is 2019 and scotland might be the first in the uk but we are the 58 country in the world to take the step so i think the rest of the uk are out of step and it would be a marvellous move if you could take the next step for children. Thank you very much, all of you. Jamie gillies, mary glasgow, jane evans. Few on twitter says physical violence has no place on 21st century scotland. Lindsay says, isnt it already banned . Ive never hit my 16 year son, well behaved, he isa hit my 16 year son, well behaved, he is a credit to me but i on the other hand was leathered by my mum, was hit with a hairbrush, had my faced squeezed and scratched and it made me presenter. Edward on twitter says i got me presenter. Edward on twitter says igota me presenter. Edward on twitter says i got a good old fashion smack on the bottom when i was a child and ensured i had a healthy respect for my parents, and we grope in a loving household that may be the person am today, respectful loving and willing today, respectful loving and willing to work we grew up in a loving household. You can text us or tweet us household. You can text us or tweet us day or night. The uk has published its brexit proposals now its over to the eu. Are they going to be convinced by borisjohnsons new look brexit plan to replace the Northern Irish backstop with two new slimmed down borders across both ireland and the uk . Well, this morning, the Prime Minister held an emergency meeting with his cabinet and at about half past eleven, he will face mps in the house of commons. But the big question is, how is is being greeted in brussels. Adam fleming is in brussels for us. They might like some bits and not other bits, so talk us through it. Thats totally right, a very good summary. Thats totally right, a very good summary. They have been pretty open to it and welcome the fact that the proposals have been made and theyve not rejected them straightaway and there will be further talks with the uk about this, which is what the uk wa nted uk about this, which is what the uk wanted and people here in brussels are in favour of one part of the proposal, the idea that if it came into force, Northern Ireland would follow lots of eu Single Market rules for food, agriculture and goods, so that is welcome. The concerns fall into three categories, number one, this is not what the eu would call an operational solution. There are still lots of questions to be answered and lots of gaps and lots of things to be explained and spelt out, perhaps even after brexit day, particularly when it comes to the stuff about customs checks. The eu was also worried about the impact it would have on what it calls the all ireland economy and that is all those deep economic and personal links between Northern Ireland and ireland. They say they would be quite massively disrupted if these arrangements came into force and they are thirdly concerned about the whole idea of giving a whole load of extra power to the Northern Ireland assembly at stormont. Is that a veto for the dup assembly at stormont. Is that a veto forthe dup in assembly at stormont. Is that a veto for the dup in particularfor these arrangements were these arrangements to ever come into play at all, and then when they are renewed every four years. That is quite a tough one for the eu to swallow but talks continuing tomorrow and we will get more details about exactly what the eu thinks through the day, because we will get a statement from the European Parliament and the Brexit Committee any moment now, and Michel Barnier is going to brief diplomats from the Member States this afternoon. Those discussions always lea k afternoon. Those discussions always leak out. Good, good for you, good for us and for our audience. Adam fleming reporting from brussels. This programme has been given rare access to one of the countrys leading major Trauma Centres, which has one of the best patient survival rates in the country when treating those with life threatening injuries. The centre at Royal Stoke University hospital in the north midlands covers a massive area, stretching all the way across to north wales and serving a population of three million people. Louis lee ray went to meet doctors, nurses and patients to see how the centre works. A warning louiss film contains pictures of people with very severe injuries. Weve just had a trauma call for essentially a road traffic collision. It could be fairly serious. We just dont know till the patient comes in what theyre going to be like. This is resus at Royal Stoke University hospital. Its the first stop for patients with major trauma, the most serious injuries. It could be fairly serious. We just dont know till the patient comes in what theyre going to be like. This is resus at Royal Stoke University hospital. Its the first stop for patients with major trauma, the most serious injuries. We have to do our usual management of these cases, which is to do an assessment, making sure their airways clear, the breathing is ok, Blood Pressure and any bleeding points are controlled. If theres any particular risk of any brain injury, that we are doing all we can to prevent that from getting any worse. The trauma team assemble after a rush hour crash. Once weve stabilised them and their physiology, their numbers, their Blood Pressure, their oxygen levels are all ok, then well be getting them through to a ct scanner, so we can image the patient and find out exactly what injuries they have so we know whether they need to go to theatre or not. Once a patients injuries have been diagnosed, and sometimes operated on, longer term treatment continues in the centres connecting wards. Each specialise in looking after patients with different needs. Hi, carly. Are you 0k . Are you all right . How is your pain today . Its ok. A little bit better than yesterday. Oh, good. Good. One of the most common reasons people end up in the Trauma Centre at stoke is road accidents. I have shattered my ankle, broken my fibula and my tibula and another bone in my leg. Broken two bones in that foot. Broken a bone in the bottom of my back, my pelvis, broken a rib and then gashed all the top of my head open. Carly is 19. She has been on the trauma and orthopaedics ward for a few days. I had just finished work and i wasjust driving home to go and have a chinese takeaway. On my way home, it was a little bit dark and i ended up in a car accident. My boyfriend, believe it or not, was in the car behind me. He was coming with me, in a separate car. As i crashed, he jumped out straightaway, ran to my car. My car set alight and my boyfriend had to pull me out of the car and move me away from the car. For carly, she went and had herface repaired. We work collaboratively with different teams, such as plastics and maxfacs, dependant on the patients injuries. She went to theatre and had an external fixator on her leg, just as a temporary measure until she goes back to theatre for a permanent fixation to her leg. Do you know what . As bad as it sounds, ive actually really enjoyed it. I get so much attention and so much love, its brilliant. All i have to do is press this button and everyone comes running. The Trauma Centre here is already busy but theyre facing growing pressure from another type of injury. Things like road traffic collisions are everyday occurrences u nfortu nately but the thing thats starting to increase our numbers are things like knife related injuries, so stabbings and machete attacks. Patients who have been stabbed often come with extra challenges for the trauma teams. We are getting more and more of these cases. They have significant injury, they have significant blood loss, they are often unstable. They are often awake and so the patients can be in pain, agitated. They have been through an ordeal. Often they involve other services, such as the police force, where, obviously, we need those people involved to keep us and the patient safe. While some patients can leave the trauma wards after a few days, others stay for much longer. We are the acute rehabilitation trauma unit. We take some of the most complex patients on this ward. Patients generally start theirjourney from the emergency department, intensive care or theatres and come onto this ward. I was able bodied six weeks ago. John is a painter and decorator from colwyn bay. I fell down a flight of stairs, broke six vertebrae on my right and four on the left side of my neck. Oh, my god. I woke up, and i was having visions and everything. I woke up with a trachae in. They put this thing in your neck to breathe. The nurses are all round you, telling you youve had an accident because you dont know whats happened. Thats probably why they called it trauma. I cant move my hands from the wrist down. I couldnt move nothing. I cant move my feet, so im being spoon fed, changing, toilet. The nurses are doing everything. Butjohns movement is improving. A key part of the Trauma Centres work in stoke is rehabilitation, which theyre able to do withjohn on the ward. Six weeks ago i couldnt move nothing. Now, i mean, look. I could do none of this, couldnt even wiggle my toes. Now, look. I cant move my arms or my wrist, thats the next phase of my recovery. If it wasnt for this hospital, id have been like that. Its been absolutely superb care. The sheer number of specialists working together in stokes trauma teams mean they can keep people alive for longer. And, by working closely with the surrounding wards, they give people the best chance to make a good recovery. Thank you for your many messages about smacking. Joanne on twitter says there is a huge difference between smacking and beating. When i lived in uk and i was naughty, i was spanked and i had huge respect for my parents, something lacking in children today. That is a massive generalisation, joanne space cadet on twitter says why are we creating generations of violent teenage criminals who fear no one or nothing . And claire said there is nothing . And claire said there is nothing wrong with a smack every now and again. It didnt do us any harm and again. It didnt do us any harm and it gave us the shock we needed. And really kids will be working all over their parents if this rule comes in. And this it punishes the child when you should be punishing the behaviour. Judith on twitter wonderful news. I have been saying for yea rs wonderful news. I have been saying for years that parents have no right to hit children. There are many constructive ways to discipline a child rather than hitting. I was hit needlessly as a child and i would never hit my own children and they are happy and productive adults. And this i believe once you have raised your hand to a child you have lost it. You need to build trust. Thank you for all of those comments. More now on the women affected by controversial changes to the pension age. They have lost their landmark fight. Nearly 4 million women born in the 1950s and 60s were challenging the decision to raise the state patient age from 60 to 66. I incorrectly said this was the wasabi women and i was wrong. Fill us wasabi women and i was wrong. Fill us in on the details. It is another group called back to 60, and they wa nt group called back to 60, and they want financially to be taken back to the point they would have been at 60, picking up their pension then, rather than what they would have been now. Those steps going up, some argue they have lost more than £40,000 in pension and there are stories of hardship, women who have not been able to claim benefits and they have been running down their savings and living hand to mouth. There is a lot of disappointment and despondency outside the court this morning because they have heard that their application for a judicial review, their claim, has been thrown out. They said they had suffered sex discrimination for having to wait so long without having been warned properly so they couldnt prepare for not having the pension. But the two justices, lord justice owen, for not having the pension. But the twojustices, lord justice owen, mr justice ripple, said the text as a claim didnt work because in fact it was men, they said, who had suffered sex discrimination in prior years for having to retire later than women. for having to retire later than women. The sex discrimination claim didnt work. The women also claimed they had not been given sufficient notice and the justices said that wasnt really relevant, because parliament had laid down this change in pension ages and hadnt said that a certain level of notice was required. So they threw out that claim as well. A lot of disappointment here and dozens of women have turned up hoping to celebrate a victory and they have had defeat. And it is that it now . Cani had defeat. And it is that it now . Can i take this anywhere else or do they have to accept it . It is not it. They could take it to an appeal and they have leave to do that. They meet later today to decide what to do. Of course it is very expensive to employ lawyers and representation in the court to bring these cases, so it is a difficult decision to make but we will hear later on if there is an appeal to be had. Their line is that because of all the publicity they have had, at least theircampaign publicity they have had, at least their campaign has gained more notice. Thank you. We are going to talk now about what is happening in Northern Ireland because the strict abortion law in Northern Ireland breaches the uks human rights commitments. That is just coming breaches the uks human rights commitments. That isjust coming in from the high court in belfast. But the high court in london to the high court in belfast. Let me read that again for you. The strict abortion law breaches the uks human rights commitments. That is breaking news from the high court in belfast. The case was brought by sarah hewitt and we will be talking to her life before the end of the programme. Earlier this month we brought you the extraordinary story of dr ruja ignatov, the woman responsible for a multi billion Pound International cryptocurrency scam who hasnt been seen since 2017. We spoke tojen mcadam who invested over £7000 of her own money in the scheme and convinced herfriends to invest a quarter of a million. In a moment well bring you un update on the story from the people behind a bbc podcast which has been investigating this story the missing cryptoqueen. But first, lets hearjen talking to us recently about her campaign forjustice. In 2017 i spoke to London City Police fraud unit and they said they believed it was a ponzi scam. I opened up a Victim Support Group to initially tell my friends and that started with 13 people and now we have 7000 people globally. And the more, with the podcasts, and for the last two years, because of these groups, the Death Threats are regular. How does that make you feel . Its upsetting. We just want the truth. As a victim of this fraud, we want the truth, and i would like to see justice. I am doing my best to raise awareness and to protect people from this and also cryptocurrency frauds. We can speak now to jamie bartlett, host of the missing cryptoqueen podcast. What have you found . Back in may 2015, the boss of onecoin, dr ruja, appeared on what seem to be the front cover of forbes magazine, a prestigious business magazine, but in fact it was a paid advertisement on forbes bulgaria, but the marketers of onecoin centred around making it look like the real thing. The same year, she spoke at a big conference organised by the economist magazine, which again was incorporated into the marketing materials. Strangest of all, 2016, the tom jones, sang at her Birthday Party, pay to sing at a Birthday Party, pay to sing at a Birthday Party at the v a museum in london. What is the purpose of all of this . We think it is to create a veneer of respectability. These are famous and trusted brands, and to associate with them is quite an important strategy to appear credible to potential investors. In terms of the companies, what do they say in response . There is no suggestion that they are complicit in this in any way. It is rather that they have been used by onecoin to encourage potential investors. We approach tom james, the v a, forbes bulgaria and the economist, and asked if they receive payment from onecoin and what payments were made to them and dr ruja. Forbes said that onecoin has never been featured on the cover of forbes or any of its licence foreign editions and onecoin has never been the subject of any editorial piece. Onecoin purchased advertorial space from the Third Party Licensee of forbes bulgaria. And the v a said they regularly host private events which provide a valuable source of income and this was arranged by a private pr company and at the time there was no precedent to suggest allegations against onecoin. Thank you. Your podcast is now available on bbc sounds. I am going to bring you some breaking news, ithink. Itell you what, i wont bring it right now. I am going to talk about a bbc investigation today which is worrying especially if you are at university right now. It is about reports of rape, Sexual Harassment at universities in britain which have tripled in the last three yea rs. S ome of the increase may be due to universities making it easier to report allegations. Despite the rise, not all universities are acting on industry guidelines. Joining me now is dr Rachel Fenton from the university of exeter who carried out research into this and runs an initiative for changing campus culture. Good morning. What do you think about this rise . I am not surprised. It does fit with what is happening generally society and we have seen a rise generally and reporting Sexual Violence. It should be seen positively, meaning that people have confidence in the University Systems and say they are able to report. Not necessarily, it means that more people are feeling able to report and that has got to be seen as a positive thing but we need to also think about the fact that rape and Sexual Violence is massively underreported anyway. The reports we are getting are very likely to be the tip of the iceberg. Ok. Why is this going on on University Campuses . I think it is an issue in society generally. We know that Sexual Violence happens. We know that young women are at particular risk. It is no surprise really that it would be going on at universities. They are a microcosm of society. We would expect that to be happening. The real question is what universities should be doing about it. Do you think they are doing enough about it . What we found in my research was that some universities have got really Good Practices and real commitment on the pa rt practices and real commitment on the part of some universities to really tackle this issue. And that things in place. But unfortunately that is not the case across the board. The University Responses are really piecemeal. They are really ad hoc. That means that for a victim survivor, they have a qualitatively different experience depending on which university they go to. There is some really Good Practice but it is some really Good Practice but it is just completely variable across different universities and that is a real problem. There what is Good Practice . Good practice is about having specialist support for victim survivors. That is about having specialists, like a rate crisis, coming onto campus and being visible so that people make more disclosures, and having specialist investigators, so people who are specially trained and trauma informed you are able to question victim survivors around these issues and not re traumatise them. And it is about having specialists sitting in our disciplinary panels so they can hear the evidence properly. There is a really important in terms of disciplinary processes and how thatis of disciplinary processes and how that is approached in a university setting. It is really important also that they put prevention measures in place. That is about having bystander initiatives in place. Making sure that we talk about issues of consent and making sure that these issues are discussed and that these issues are discussed and that we think about the kind of culture that there is on campus and how we can stop these things happening in the first place. Why are those things happening, you think . I think they are happening because they happen in society generally. I dont think we can really say more than that. One of theissues really say more than that. One of the issues really is that we dont have a national survey. I think that its really shameful at this point. We need to have a proper data collection, a proper survey across all universities to find out what our womens experiences, mens experiences, what is going on on our campuses . Then we can effectively tackle it. Ok. Thank you very much and thank you for talking to us, doctor Rachel Fenton. Now we can get more on the breaking news we brought to you a few moments ago that Northern Irelands abortion laws breach the uks human rights commitment. That just in breach the uks human rights commitment. Thatjust in from the high court in belfast. We are going to talk to the woman who brought the case in a moment but first we will speak to labour case in a moment but first we will speakto labourmp case in a moment but first we will speak to labour mp Stella Creasy. She takes a keen interest in the subject, which will become clear in a moment. But vegetable, your reaction to this ruling . That first of all, your reaction to this ruling . Sarah has been a tower of strength to hold our government to account and i am ashamed that it has had to come to this. I hope it is the last time we see a woman having to ta ke the last time we see a woman having to take our government to court for her basic human rights. The court case was very much her basic human rights. The court case was very much built on a Previous Court case where there was a recognition that the human rights of women in Northern Ireland were being breached because sarah was somebody who very tragically had a fatal foetal abnormality but had to carry the baby because there wasnt the ability to have the abortion in Northern Ireland. That is an extremely stressful situation. Here are ago the courts ruled this was a breach of human rights but it had to be brought by somebody affected by it. That was notjust about be brought by somebody affected by it. That was not just about fatal foetal abnormality, but victims of rape and incest in Northern Ireland, so sarah very bravely stood up and took on this case and were standing up took on this case and were standing upfor took on this case and were standing up for the rights of women across Northern Ireland and we are ashamed it had to come to this. What does it mean in practical terms for women in Northern Ireland . Mean in practical terms for women in Northern Ireland . The court have said they will wait and see what happens because in the meantime we have secured a law in westminster. All of this is based on a piece of uk legislation written in 1861 which says it is a criminal matter to have an abortion which we are exempt from in england and wales but not Northern Ireland. Since then we have secured an agreement whereby if the assembly in Northern Ireland does not get reconstituted by the 21st of october, that criminal sanction, purely that criminal sanction, is removed from the statute book in Northern Ireland. It is a bit frustrating for me to see that women in Northern Ireland are still caught between the courts and the government in terms of the Practical Implications of this. I am hoping that the government will react very quickly and will seek to put in place as quickly as possible should this not get in place on the 21st of october a scheme so that other women in the horrific situation that sarah was and get support in Northern Ireland. Lets just was and get support in Northern Ireland. Letsjust be clear about that. What you have secured, the legislation from westminster, wont ta ke legislation from westminster, wont take effect if the government instalment is restored by the 21st of october. Correct . Yes, that is the trigger mechanism within it. Of october. Correct . Yes, that is the trigger mechanism within itm it is restored after the 22nd, the statute book will still have this piece of law removed from it in Northern Ireland, so there is a deadline for people when it comes to these cases. It is our belief that every woman in the uk should have equal access to safe, legal and local abortion, and removing the criminal sanction in Northern Ireland was the First Step Towards ensuring that the people of Northern Ireland can carve their own medical regulations around this practice. Without the assembly, women in Northern Ireland were waiting for politicians to get their act together, and women like sarah are the very real example of the consequences of that. |j the very real example of the consequences of that. I am going to bring in the chair of the anti Abortion Group precious life andi anti Abortion Group precious life and i would like to ask you first of all your reaction to the fact that the high court in belfast has ruled that Northern Irelands abortion laws breach the uks commitment to human rights. Firstly i would like to say that abortion is not health ca re to say that abortion is not health care and that was not stated today. The unborn child is a human being and should be protected. Sadly what happened in this court today is a denial of the very fundamental right to life of vulnerable children. I must make one thing clear. As this court has ruled in the cases that our laws are incompatible. Sorry, so called fatal foetal abnormality . Yes, i think there is no real medical evidence that a child in the women could die in the womb or after birth. Some of those babies do survive when born. The argument here that we are stating is that these children are human beings with the fundamental right to life. That right to life was denied. Unborn children with terminal illness have been denied their right to Northern Ireland today. We will continue to fight to ensure these children are givena fight to ensure these children are given a voice and we will ensure that these parents are given perinatal and hospice care. There is an argument here for ensuring that abortions take place here but there is no argument to ensure that women are cared for and supported through Better Services that are not available here in Northern Ireland and we need to ensure that this does happen. Ok, there are many assertions that you have made there. Stella creasy, i wanted to come back in and respond to what bernie has said from the group precious life. In and respond to what bernie has said from the group precious lifelj am gobsmacked. There is we have been held up for breaching womens human rights is on the basis of torture because it is torture to ask a woman who has got a baby that she really wa nted who has got a baby that she really wanted but has now got a diagnosis that that baby will not live, it will die and suffer, to make a continue on with that pregnancy. And what bernie has just suggested is that we should force women to carry babies they know are going to die, and go through that pain and suffering, rather than support them at the point at which they get that diagnosis. I have no way of saying this is a humane thing to do to anybody else. When you talk about torture, there is nothing more tortuous than attacking an unborn child in the womb. A child that could be born alive. And even if that child is not born alive, while that child is not born alive, while that child is in the womb, it is alive and it has got a heartbeat. We would implore that the governments of the uk and Northern Ireland would recognise the fundamental right to life of unborn children. When you talk about torture, this case is not about torture. This case is about whether our laws stand up to human rights and standards but the reality is under the rights and standards but the reality is underthe un rights and standards but the reality is under the un declaration, the rights of the child, unborn children are recognised as human beings and their rights should be protected. We will look at this this afternoon and our solicitors will consider making further submissions to make sure that the unborn child is given a voice and that the mothers who receive this poor diagnosis are given better support in the system here. And our department gets together, our government get together, our government get together and forms a government by the 215t of october to ensure that these laws that Stella Creasy claims are in the interests of women are in fa ct are in the interests of women are in fact terrible for the future of our women and children. They deny the very rights of unborn children. We implore our government to get active and get back by the 215t to ensure this law does not come into force. Stella creasy . I think that bernie has to look into her own conscience and ask whether she would ever expect anyone to go through the pain that sarah ewart went through it. Her testimony is absolutely compelling, about how horrific this situation is. Bernie, with respect, i listened to you. You might want to shout me down. Your organisation might think it is acceptable to do that but you are not going to shout me down because women like sarah ewart deserve better from the uk government and it is terrible that this has had to go to court. I think it is really, really important that we listen to the real stories and the reality of the situation is because what you are doing a second guessing the doctors. No doctor gives a diagnosis of a fatal foetal abnormality likely. It is a horrific and tragic situation and to compound the suffering of those women in that situation by saying that they cannot chooseif situation by saying that they cannot choose if they wish to terminate that pregnancy as a way of responding to the situation is cruel punishment. That is what our courts have decided and by the government needs to act. I hope when it comes to the 22nd if the tablet is not back up and running, and i would love to sit up and running for the people of Northern Ireland, but i do not want to see other women in Northern Ireland suffer because of this outdated law and the kind of use you are putting forward. Tha nkfully use you are putting forward. Thankfully today the courts have agreed that is torturous. Kind of views you are putting forward. You have ten seconds to respond but now we cant hear you. The court did not agree that abortion was torture. They did not agree that it was a torturous treatment they agreed in this very rare case of foetal abnormality that. I have got to stop you. I am sorry. Bbc newsroom live is next. Thank you for your company. Have a good day. We are back tomorrow at ten oclock. Hello. Many of us had a bright but chilly start to the day. We have seen a lot of high cloud moving in from the west, all courtesy of storm lorenzo moving to the west of ireland. Look at the ice abide, quite close together, indicative of strong winds around Western Areas this afternoon. Isobars. Sunny spells in the far north east of scotla nd spells in the far north east of scotland and then rain pushing into South West England and wales, the isle of man, and Northern Ireland. That will be accompanied by strong winds, particularly in Northern Ireland, gusting 40, 50, maybe 60 mph in exposed areas. Elsewhere it will stay dry and temperatures today getting up to 12 or even 16 degrees. Storm lorenzo will move further south and east. There will be strong winds back in the south west of england, south west wales, with gales here and rain pushing south. The winds back row ease off into the afternoon and for many of us a dry day with sunny spells. This is bbc news. Im Anita Mcveigh at westminster, where new brexit proposals are coming under scrutiny. The headlines at eleven mps will get their chance to examine Boris Johnsons new brexit proposals when the Prime Minister sets out his plans to the house of commons in half an hours time. Mps are already in the debating chamber this is the scene live in the commons. We expect to hear more shortly from politicians in brussels, as well officials there have already described the new plan as problematic. In other news the parents of a five Year Old Girl with a serious brain injury have won a High Court Battle to take her to italy for treatment after uk doctors said her life support should be withdrawn. 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