On the eu 27, we will live with the decision that we have not taken part, too. If there has to be a Second Coming up next on bbc news, its referendum, it has to come from the brits. Hardtalk. Its not the eu 27, which would patronise or monitor welcome to hardtalk. The british people and tell them im stephen sackur. You have to go back to the polls. British Prime Minister borisjohnson you have to decide, has positioned himself but please, make an effort. As the countrys brexit champion, its been more than two years but his pledge to take britain we have been discussing this. Out of the eu on october everything has been discussed in detail. The 31st is in trouble. We know everything about how parliament has passed a law their Withdrawal Agreement should be requiring him to seek decided, adopted, ratified, a deadline extension from the eu, and the most important conversation has not even started on our future relationship. And on this i have a number of big question marks. Because at the moment we had so either he negotiates the government of theresa may, a new exit deal in short order we knew that she was reassuring or he attempts to defy the law. The eu 27 on the environment and labour laws, she didnt want to withdraw from the key communities. How is this british melodrama being viewed in europe . Now we have a Prime Minister saying my guest is french mep and former europe minister, nathalie loiseau. Has eu patience with british with brexit he will get rid of eu indecision run out . Regulations on environment and labour, that has huge consequences for british citizens, for british business, but also for the European Union. Its going to cost, according to the Bertelsmann Institute in germany, going to cost eu citizens at least a0 billion euros if a no deal brexit goes ahead. We know it is going to cost the uk government and awful lot of money, nathalie loiseau, in brussels, welcome to hardtalk. In proportion, more. Hello. But it is going to cost europe a great deal. Are you putting that firmly i want to pick you up on something at the top of your mind you said yesterday in fact. As you consider what to do you talked of a brexit madness. Over the next few weeks . We have it fully in mind. When i was a member of the french how would you characterise this madness . Government i prepared my country who exactly is mad . For this scenario of a no deal, not because i wanted it, because i thought it may very well happen. Well, first and foremost, and now we are prepared, we are ready, and we are going i would say that, to face the consequences of a decision taken even if we respect the decision in the United Kingdom. Of the british people, we still regret it very much because, with all due respect, you also have to realise that these at a moment in history, decisions will have consequences where there is a need for unity, on the United Kingdom, where we have big powers throughout the globe on british citizens, which are not always on french or european citizens supporting of our priorities, living in the United Kingdom. The choice of being more isolated and weaker than what the uk is right now is difficult to understand and, if i was a british citizen, i would certainly ask myself, this is why i go back to yourfirst question. Is it exactly what we wanted yes, this whole brexit story is pure madness. It was sold to voters as being stronger, being wealthier, that is going to happen . Being more in control, you are, of course, not a british citizen, and what do we see today . Youre a french politician looking at britain. That a no deal brexit will mean so im just wondering, when you talk about brexit madness that the uk is weaker, whether that is your judgement on the first few weeks of Boris Johnsons premiership, because he is the new factor more isolated and it will cost an enormous amount of money. In all this, isnt he . What do you say. Well, for quite a long time, really, if i have the eu 27 have waited something to say. With a lot of respect, all right, given. I would say stop this madness. With a lot of patience, given what youve said, and with a lot of concern, what do you say to those brexiteers, some of them very close to Boris Johnson himself, for a clear signal who say we will leave with no deal from the United Kingdom. If we need to on october 31, until now, we know we will than open ourselves to business with the rest what you dont want, of the world, but we will also then be in a great position to negotiate a preferentialfree trade but we still dont really know what you want. Or pretty much free trade and especially now, we know deal with the European Union that the British Parliament because europe needs itjust as much wants an extension but we as we need it. Negotiating with the rest of the world when you are one single do not know what for. Country is not as profitable we know that the British Parliament as when you belong to doesnt want a no deal, and we do understand why. We know that the british prime the European Union. And trade partners throughout minister wants to leave, the world are waiting with a lot of appetite to see a single United Kingdom asking do or die, on october the 31st, for trade agreements. So forgive me if i say that it is not exactly clear where you want to head and how you want to leave they will probably take advantage of the fact the European Union. That the United Kingdom is isolated. No, you lay out very succinctly some of the varying political currents in london right now, regarding the negotiation, but my question to you comes back with the European Union, to Prime Minister borisjohnson, because he is the new factor in this for the future relationship, protracted brexit mess i think we can call it indeed we want a good relationship, a strong relationship, but it takes two to tango. And i would be very much interested in knowing exactly and he says, and he said it what borisjohnson wants again yesterday in dublin to put in an agreement, when talking to the leader of the irish government, he said he overwhelmingly and we all know that brexit doesnt wants a negotiated deal. Do you believe him . End with the no deal. We will still have conversations about everything that is on the table now and the question is not exactly needs to be settled. The irish border, peace and stability in ireland, whether we believe him or not, the consistency of the Single Market, the alignment with all regulation, but i might say that i am there are several possible scenarios now lost in translation for a trade agreement because we have a british Prime Minister saying that he does not want elections and they were explained in detail but still pushing for elections, saying that he wants a deal but his negotiator by Michel Barnier to his comes to brussels and provides interlocutors many times. With no proposal, no idea. Strictly nothing to replace the Withdrawal Agreement, and the more you want, so its a little bit the more you put yourself confusing and, indeed, on the table, there are advantages it doesnt really that come with commitments. Help to build trust. And the higher the commitment, the bigger the advantage is. Well, the government led by borisjohnson says, are you are certainly saying no and ministers repeat this, closure, no sense of resolution if there is a no deal that they are now straining every brexit on october 31. Sinew to strike a new agreement with the European Union negotiators in brussels. They say the old withdrawal but ijust wonder, i want to thank you in one different direction agreement cannot stand and, before we close, and as you well know, the prime concern that is whether you, they have is over the so called as a french politician, a very close friend and an ally irish backstop, that is, of Emmanuel Macron see a moment the plan to avoid of opportunity here, in particularly for france, inside europe and the european a hard border in ireland, union. You said, at least according to newspaper reports the other day so they say we have serious negotiations about a different that Angela Merkel was one Withdrawal Agreement. Of the problems with europe, to your knowledge, you seem to be suggesting only is that true or not true . Mr macron could provide the dynamic if you remember, borisjohnson First Leadership to take europe said that he would not come to paris forward post brexit. Or berlin or brussels is that macrons ambition . To take the space perhaps more space left by the exit of the uk until we abandoned the backstop, from the European Union and imprint frances power on the project . Then he changed his mind and he came to paris and to berlin well, first of all i will not and to biarritz, saying comment on press reports that he wanted a deal, on which i issued strong denials. And chancellor merkel as well as president macron but coming back to europe told him, well, come with ideas, come with proposals, which are credible, and what were doing right now, it is not a question of imposing power from one member state to the others. Its a question of living which respect the priorities up to the expectancies that we set together no hard border on to what our voters have asked the island of ireland, protection of the good for when we went to the european friday agreement, peace and stability elections and our voters are asking on the island of ireland, and consistency of the Single Market. For a more united european defence, so far i have not heard Michel Barnier, a more efficient european security, the european negotiator, coming back to us and saying, a way to deal with the digital yes, there are new, credible transformation of our societies and our economies. This is precisely what ursula von proposals respecting these redlines. Der leyen is preparing with the next let me just clear up a couple of points of detail on ireland and then we can move on. Commission and what we first of all, there is mooted in london now the possibility that Boris Johnson, over the next few days, will suggest to will be working on. The european negotiating team that britain might accept some form of Northern Ireland only backstop, that is, that the british would accept that Northern Ireland would abide by the regulatory the Member States and the council, the european commission, framework of the Single Market and the european parliament, and the Customs Union, that the rest of the United Kingdom would not and thereby there would be where i belong to a group, some sort of regulatory border, if you like, notional border, renew europe, will be key along with the irish sea. To defining all majorities for our projects. Would that be acceptable to the European Union . If you remember, this was precisely so this is not a question of a person, even if Emmanuel Macron the proposal from the eu 27 has put in a lot of input, a lot of vision on the European Unions future, but this vision is shared by his counterparts throughout in the first place, europe. Alright. And we are ambitious for europe because we are ambitious for our citizens. Nathalie loiseau, were out of time, but i thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. When we were negotiating with Prime Minister may. The first version of the backstop was Northern Ireland only, in terms of regulatory alignment with the rest of the European Union. At that time, it was changed due to the british negotiator, into Customs Union for the whole of the United Kingdom. We, of course, have no problem hello. Just wanting to bring you right up to date with how we see the weather panning out across the British Isles for the next few days. With our own proposal wednesday was a slow start across southern parts. And in fact, that same weather front links back to another area of cloud and rain in the heart of the atlantic. Thats an area of low pressure that started but now, having said that, we all know that life way down across the devil is in the details the mid atlantic, so its bringing mild, moisture laden air and i have not seen and i have not heard of a precise proposal across the British Isles and feeling off borisjohnson. Really quite humid. Just one other thing on ireland, which puzzles me, to the south of the the European Union says that, if there is a no deal exit weather front, in the heart of that on the 31st of october, system, the cloud at its thickest so rain from the word go for parts of Northern Ireland, then there will have to be a hard getting into scotland, border between Northern Ireland eventually across the border and the irish republic, into the far north of england. To protect the Single Market. But that is strange following on behind, somewhat brightest skies because the British Government say to the there is no way they are going south of that weather front, quite a bit of cloud around, to build the infrastructure for sure, and some of it, of a hard border, and that europeans, really quite low in the atmosphere at the same time, say, across the south west oh, well, if the infrastructure on what is going to be quite is put on the border, a blustery day. That will threaten the good friday Peace Agreement and stability in ireland. But those mild, moist air are coming in from the south west, not a cold direction by any means at all. And youll find temperatures pushing on towards 23 24 degrees somewhere across east anglia and the south east, just that wee bit bit fresher further to north. So is the eu seriously saying it is going to put infrastructure but all the while, once that on the border and thereby threaten weather front is pushed the Peace Agreement in ireland . Away, despite the fact is that what the eu wants . Skies begin to clear, what the eu want is pretty clear. It will be a slightly fresher night with temperatures down in single figures across the north, but where you keep the cloud in the south, 12, 13, or 1a degrees as the starting mark for friday. Friday sees an area of High Pressure it is within the withdrawal building in behind that weather front as it moves in agreement which we adopted and, towards the near continent, of course, we dont want a no deal and in that circulation, and we dont want hard border at this stage, the air is fairly but coming to downing street comes fresh, it has to be said. With responsibilities. So, friday is a dry, the british Prime Minister cannot say that he seriously considers fine day for the most part, a no deal and say, at the same time, enough cloud for the odd passing that he has no interest shower across the north in the protection of his own borders, when brexit was supposed to be and north west of scotland, about taking back control but many areas dry. And despite the presence so it sounds weird to me to say, of the sunshine, well, is not the warmest of days well, i am taking decisions but over the next few days. Im not interested in consequences. Youll see the top temperature lets get away from the detail and talk politics. There in the south at around is it true to say about 20 degrees, but as we move and you are a very from friday on towards the weekend, close ally of his that president Emmanuel Macron has the centre of that high moves tired of this entire Brexit Process a little bit further and just wants to see britain out towards the east. As soon as possible . So we then begin to tap into those mild airs again well, if you listen coming from way down to everything that was said in the atlantic. By Emmanuel Macron for two years, and for the greater part he has repeatedly said for southern scotland, that he would prefer england and wales, and for a time, Northern Ireland, its going to be dry, fine and sunny. Having the United Kingdom and certainly a warmer day for many, the notable exception is that front across the northern and western parts of scotland which becomes this weakening band of weather, inside the European Union, robbing some areas because we face challenges together, of their sunshine as we in terms of security, move into sunday. In terms of defence, in terms of trade or still, many areas will be dry environment, Climate Change all these huge challenges but that cloud could give the odd spot of rain to the south it where the temperatures are again which deserve to be addressed. Rising to about the mid 20s. I do understand that. If i may, just make this very clear, he has also said and he said it again after hed seen Boris Johnson we are not going to go through this sort of crisis every few months, which indicates to me, that when people talk of a two or three month extension, after october 31, the french are really against it. I would not advise that you single out one member state, compared to others. We have been united from day one on brexit. Not against the United Kingdom but in favour of a solution that protects the interests of our fellow citizens, of ireland, and there is strong unity and, indeed, there is strong brexit fatigue, not because of brexit but because the absence of a clear choice made by british authorities on the way forward. If we hear that no deal is not a solution, that the Withdrawal Agreement is not a solution, and if we have nothing to build on, what can we do . And you know, in the European Union, we are about to confirm a commission we have a lot of work to do. And we are still dealing with brexit. Well get to that point of whether brexit is becoming a deeply unwelcome distraction to europes other business in a moment butjust finishing up on this idea of whether an extension can happen your foreign minister, jean yves le drian, the other day, seemed to be pretty sure that quoting him that in the current circumstances, he said, about an extension, it is a no. But the truth is, france, as you say, does not want to be out of step with its european partners, most european Member States appear to believe that, if britain asks for an extension, it will have to be given, so, in a sense, it seems to me france overstepped the mark, and is having to row back and now youre acknowledging that, if the Member States agree to an extension. We in france will go along with it. Um, there is no change this is bbc news. Welcome if youre watching here in the uk, in the french position on pbs in america or around the globe. Im aaron safir. Our top stories and there is no change in the position of the eu27. Another twist in the brexit drama. Mps demand parliaments immediate there has to be a good recall after scottish judges rule reason for an extension. Prime minister borisjohnson acted you cannot simply say that, after two years, you are not ready. Unlawfully when he suspended it. You have to tell us, President Trump says he may ban flavoured e cigarettes after a number of deaths what would you do with an extension . In the united states. If i may. Is it general election, is it peoples vote . The human toll of hurricane dorian. If i may, you know when the vote is coming you know because borisjohnson no longer has a majority, you know that a general election it has become a very big is coming in britain, business as i understand it. If not before october 31 then a giant business in a very certainly soon afterwards, so that clearly is a good enough short period of time. But we cant allow reason to give an extension, people to get sick and is it not . We cant have our youth be so affected. Let me tell you from experience about brexit, until things are confirmed, the human toll of hurricane dorian. After the devastation across the bahamas, 2,500 i know nothing. If there is a clear position from the Prime Minister and from the parliament about a general election with a date and with the need to prepare for the election, this might be a reason for an extension. If there is a clear position about a peoples vote, that might be a reason for an extension. If there is a clear proposal which is credible and acceptable from the british side, supported by a majority in the parliament on a Withdrawal Agreement, this is a reason for an extension. 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