Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240714

For the deaths of 29 people in two Mass Shootings in the us because of his anti immigrant comments. This is what the president says. These are two incredible places. We love the people. Hate has no place in our country. Well talk to the mum of 15 year old Kimberly Vaughan, who was killed in a School Shooting in santa fe in texas last year. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Later children who are fussy eaters. At one time or another, weve probably had that experience with our kids. Is tea time a regular battle . Join the club. Really interesting new study today which has found a link between fussy eating in childhood to an increased risk of developing an eating disorder as a teenager. Researchers say it could be connected to many things. Do get in touch with your experiences use the hashtag victorialive. Or send us an email victoria bbc. Co. Uk. That to come, but first, Rebecca Jones has the news. A six year old boy is in a critical but stable condition after allegedly being thrown from a tenth floor balcony at the tate modern art gallery in london. President donald trump has said hate has no place in the us after 29 people were killed in two Mass Shootings over the weekend. Mr trump blamed Mental Illness for the attacks to prevent shootings, but stopped short of making any commitments. Critics have said President Trump is part of the problem, citing his anti immigrant rhetoric and opposition to gun control. A woman conceived by rape wants her father brought to justice in a so called victimless prosecution, in one of the first cases of its kind, this programme has learned. The woman from birmingham who wants to be known as vicky says her mother was under the age of consent when a family friend she claims was in his 30s raped her. West Midlands Police says the law does not recognise her as a victim. But vicky, whos portrayed in this next clip by an actor, says her birth is proof of the crime and she wants dna testing to convict her father of statutory rape. Id always thought it was so wrong that my birth father was never prosecuted. It was then that i thought, ive got dna evidence, because i am dna evidence. Im a walking crime scene. That story coming up injust a moment. The authorities responsible for a damaged dam in derbyshire believe at least two more days of pumping are needed to get the water to a safe level. More than 1,500 people have been evacuated from whaley bridge. Officers have criticised some residents who have refused to leave, saying they are putting their lives and those of the Emergency Services at risk. 20 hospitals in england stand to benefit from a pledge by the Prime Minister to spend an extra £850 million on nhs building projects. It comes after borisjohnson promised an overall cash boost for the nhs of £1. 8 billion. Labour said it fell significa ntly short of the amount needed. A 15 Year Old Girl from the uk has gone missing while on holiday in malaysia. Nora quoirin, who has learning difficulties, arrived in the town of seremban with her family on saturday for a two week trip. When her parents woke up on sunday, they found her missing and the window of her hotel room open. Police say they are treating it as a missing person case. Indias government has moved to revoke the part of the constitution that gives indian administered kashmir special status. This will end the states right to make its own laws, and mean that for the first time, people outside the state can buy property there. The entire region is disputed between india and pakistan. Thousands of indian troops had been deployed to the region ahead of the announcement and tourists were told to leave. 0pposition parties have called it a dark day for indian democracy. That is the news for now, back to victoria. First this morning, a story from one of our viewers who contacted our programme. Vicky, which isnt her real name, was adopted when she was a baby. When she turned 18, she requested her records from social services in the West Midlands in the hope of finding her biological parents. Thats when she found out she was conceived by rape and started her fight to have the man she believes to be her father prosecuted. Not only that, but she discovered her birth mother was a schoolgirl of 13 at the time of the alleged rape. In our exclusuive film, vickys words are are spoken for her to protect her identity. And if you have children in the room, you may not want them to watch. The film lasts for eight minutes. My name is vicky, and i was conceived by rape. I was born in birmingham in the 70s, and adopted when i was about seven months old. Growing up, i always wanted to find my birth mother. Its almost like shed been a ghost in my life, knowing there was somebody who had given birth to you, who was alive, walking around. When i hit my 18th birthday, i was determined to get the files. And thats when i was told by a social worker, and i saw in black and white in my files, that my conception was a result of rape. My birth mum had been 13, a schoolgirl, and my birth dad, a family friend, who was 35. The records said that shed gone to baby sit at his house and he raped her. To find out that youd been born through a horrendous act of violence against a child, and that people knew. It says in seven different places in the files that it was rape. The fact that she was 13 means it was statutory rape, because he had sex with a minor. It states his name and address, that social services, police, and Health Workers knew, but nothing was done about it. My birth mum was from a black, working class family and i cant help thinking attitudes at the time had something to do with that. It made me feel angry. Devastated for my birth mum, for me, and then, i rememberthinking, will my birth mother ever want to meet me . I traced my birth mother, with support from my adoptive father, and ifound her. Seeing the photo of her for the first time was incredible, it was like looking into a mirror. I remember us meeting when i was about 20, i walked off the train and she was there. I can only imagine how she must have felt, seeing me there as an adult. She said that she had always hoped id find her, but it wasnt some soft focus moment or loving embrace, it wasjust. It was just really surreal. It wasnt until decades later, when thejimmy savile case and other historic cases were in the news that i really thought about trying to do anything about it. Id always thought it was so wrong that my birth father was never prosecuted. It was then that i thought, ive got dna evidence, because i am dna evidence. Im a walking crime scene. And its all written in the files. Surely, people are going to take me seriously . I wanted him to be held accountable. I wanted justice for my mum, i wanted justice for me. The ramifications of what he chose to do have shaped my entire life. Sorry. Youd think id get sick of crying. And hes been able to get away with it, and just live his life. My birth mother made it very clear that shed reported that it was a rape at the time and people hadnt listened to her then, so why would they listen now . More than a0 years have passed, and she, well, she doesnt want to go through it all again, but she supports me pursuing it. Ive contacted so many people. Police, social workers, solicitors, mps. They just say, youre not the victim. Because of that crime, im alive. My whole life has been dictated by it but no one will see me as the victim. I am living, breathing proof of a child rapist and nobody is interested. How is that 0k . My birth fathers name was in my files, so i traced him. I was getting nowhere with the police. Eventually, i decided to go to his address. I just remember the nerves. My heart was pounding, i was sweating. This man, like a ghost, hes done the most heinous act and this is who im going to meet. He came to the front door, and ijust said, hello. I believe im your daughter. Hejust said, oh, come in. And that was it. It was the most surreal a0 minutes of my life. I remember saying to him, well, did you have sex with her . Because, if you didnt, then we dont need to be having this conversation. And hejust said, just because you had sex with somebody, doesnt mean you make a baby. So, to me, that was, well, he just confirmed it. Why would you not deny it . 0n the way out, i noticed this photo on the wall of a girl, maybe about 12 years old. I just sort of said, oh, you know, whos that . It was his great granddaughter or someone, and that made me feel absolutely sick. I mean, who is protecting her . Ifound out that there have been victimless prosecutions for rape, when people dont feel able to report it because of the nature of the crime, but there is evidence. I want the police to look at the files, and at least consider a victimless prosecution in my case, and i want the definition of victim to be reviewed. This has nearly beaten me down. Being adopted comes with so many difficulties, and the trauma of this has affected every part of my life. But i will persevere because i know this is so wrong, and i wantjustice, so im not going to go away. And that film by our reporter emma ailes. West Midlands Police told us that vicky had no doubt suffered, but the law does not recognise her as a victim in these circumstances, and said the cps had advised they would not support a prosecution. Birmingham city council said they would be happy to meet with vicky, and that it is certainly the case that the way allegations and incidents of harm to children are handled now is very different than was the case in the seventies. Lets talk to kate ellis, a solicitor at the centre for womensjustice. And in our edinburgh studio, jess phillips, who is labour mp for birmingham yardley. I think anyone who has watched this film will be able to see clearly that she is indeed a victim and it is not the first case of this kind. We have long fought, those of us who have been fighting for womens justice, for many years, for the idea that children in both domestic and Sexual Violence circumstances, have to be considered notjust ha pless bysta nders have to be considered notjust hapless bystanders of those crimes, but in fact, that it deeply affects their lives. This is not something new, this is something which west Midlands Police and the Crown Prosecution Service should be well aware of. Kate ellis, the 2015 victims code defines a victim as a person who suffered harm including physical, mental or emotional harm, directly caused by a criminal offence. Using that definition, would you consider vicky to be a victim as an individual conceived by rape . I think it is certainly arguable because as we can see from that video, she has been profoundly affected by what happened to her mother, it has defined her life and therefore arguably, that crime did have emotionally consequences for her, showers a victim of emotional harm as a result of it. I think there is a question as well, it was mentioned in the video, by vicki, andindeed mentioned in the video, by vicki, and indeed mentioned byjess, that there is precedent for victimless prosecutions in circumstances where there is evidence that a crime took place, but the complainant does not wa nt to place, but the complainant does not want to order not feel able to come forward , want to order not feel able to come forward, for example, in Domestic Violence cases. It would be rare in a sexual offence case for that to ta ke a sexual offence case for that to take place because usually you have got a dispute in an adult sex case about consent, and you would want to hear from the victim of the offence as to why they say they didnt give consent and there was no reasonable belief by the suspect that they were consenting. However, where you have got a child rape, the elements of the offence are essentially that they were a child when it happened and that sexual intercourse took place. And it would seem from what weve heard that those elements of the offence could be proven. Weve heard that those elements of the offence could be provenlj weve heard that those elements of the offence could be proven. I will ask you more about the evidence in a moment. Butjess phillips, this was a black working class family in the 705 a black working class family in the 70s in birmingham. Vicky says the fa ct 70s in birmingham. Vicky says the fact that it was an alleged rape was recorded in the files that social workers had, police had, Health Workers had, police had, Health Workers had, police had, Health Workers had, they all knew it was a 13 Year Old Girl who was pregnant, alleging showers raped by a man in his 30s, and yet there was no action. In france it feels really strongly that the fact that they we re strongly that the fact that they were black and working class may have played a role in that lack of action, do you think she may have a point . I think almost certainly she has got a point. I think the element of being from a black working class family will certainly have played out in the 1970s but what i think we should be really careful of is thinking that things are absolutely much better now. The reality is, in child rape cases, things have moved on, but the reality of people who come forward about rape and are disbelieved, have to go through all sorts of measures, where we have scene rape prosecutions dramatically falling, iam not scene rape prosecutions dramatically falling, i am not convinced that things would be dramatically better 110w. Things would be dramatically better now. Boris johnson recently described pursuing non recent historical sexual abuse cases as splashing money up the wall. Is it in the Public Interest and worth the money it gusts to pursue a case like in this one which is a0 years old . Well, as somebody whos teenage children live in birmingham, where this alleged perpetrator has been allowed to live completely freely, without any action, fear of the law, of what he is alleged to have done, absolutely, it is in the Public Interest. I say that as a mother as well as a politician. Kate ellis, lets talk about the evidence. Vicky told us she is a walking crime scene, she says she is the dna evidence. What would you need to construct evidence. What would you need to co nstru ct a evidence. What would you need to construct a case, to bring a prosecution, against the alleged rapist . In an ordinary case, you would have the account of the victim first and foremost. Weve mentioned the term victimless prosecutions, they are sometimes referred to as evidence led prosecutions, because if you dont have a complainant, for example ina if you dont have a complainant, for example in a Domestic Violence case where perhaps the direct victim is still being subjected to abuse and feels unable to come forward, then what you do is, you build the case using the other evidence and you think about weather there is enough evidence, you could take an account from the complainant out of the picture. So in the present case, it seems that what would be needed is evidence that transsexual is birth mother was 13 at the time, which has been established, evidence that this was an adult male, which as i understand has also been established, and then adjust a paternity test or dna evidence, confirming who the suspect is. Really, once youve got that, i cant see why you would not be able to secure a conviction. It would be very unusual, i am not aware of many sexual offence cases where they have proceeded with a victimless prosecution, but where you have got evidence that it happened, and that it was a rape, i dont see why they couldnt necessarily consider proceeding with a prosecution. Can you force someone proceeding with a prosecution. Can you force someone to take a paternity test . No, they couldnt do that. So they would have to consider weather there was enough evidence on the files from the 1970s to suggest that he was a suspect. And then you might have a situation where he was in court being questioned about why he hadnt agreed to a paternity test and being questioned about the other evidence pointing to the fact that he was the father. I just want to read this e mail which has just come m, read this e mail which has just come in, to both of you, if i may. It is anonymous. In, to both of you, if i may. It is anonymous. I was born in 197a, the year before my mother had been walking home through a park where she was raped. I only found this out when i finally managed to trace her. When i met herfor the first when i finally managed to trace her. When i met her for the first time, the first thing i said was, if i remind her of her attacker, i would walk away. Just like the woman on your programme telling her story, this has impacted me in ways i cannot explain, including a lot of guilt. Ive often thought about walking into a Police Station and telling them, but as my birth mother has never pursued this, and as we dont really have a relationship, i dont really have a relationship, i dont feel i can really ask her if she wants to. I think your guest todayis she wants to. I think your guest today is incredibly brave, however, this just goes to show that the law does not care and is out of step. Jess phillips, when the Police Say Two vicky, look, your mum doesnt wa nt to two vicky, look, your mum doesnt want to pursue this, is that acceptable . No, im afraid i dont think it is acceptable, because the police, better than any other agency, should be aware of the reasons why victims of Sexual Violence, especially childhood Sexual Violence, struggle to come forward in the circumstances. And with the very clear line of evidence that they have about a child giving birth at the age of 13, they should not need the evidence direct from a victim, who is bound to be incredibly traumatised and has probably spent the last a0 years trying to get on with her own life. Jess phillips, thank you very much for coming on the programme. Kate ellis, thank you. From the centre for womensjustice. And obviously we will keep you across what happens in that case. Viewers who may have been affected by what weve just discussed can get help from the bbcs electric. The bbcs action line. If you have a story and you wa nt to line. If you have a story and you want to get in touch with us, like vicky did, please do. Send your e mail to victoria bbc. Co. Uk. Still to come. Two Mass Shootings inside 2a hours in the United States is the president s language on immigration to blame . Lets bring you the latest on the condition of the little boy who was allegedly thrown from a 10th floor viewing platform at the tate modern art gallery in london. 0ur reporterjon donnison is there. First of all, do update our audience on the condition of this little boy . Well, the police a that his condition is stable but critical. But we have had some encouraging words from a Police Spokesman this morning, saying that his injuries are no longer considered life threatening. You can see behind me life threatening. You can see behind m e exa ctly life threatening. You can see behind me exactly where he fell from, up near the top of the building, that balcony you can see with some black railings, he fell off that balcony, down onto that central roof area, five storeys, into the middle of the tech modern, some 30 a0 metres, remarkable, really, that he is still alive. We dont have too many details of exact what happened. There was a bbc reporter up on that balcony when it took place. She says there was some sort of tracker, some sort of disturbance, people started pushing and shouting, and then she took her young child off the balcony, she then saw a woman run past her shouting, where is my son, where is my son . But how he came to fall off that balcony or be thrown off that balcony, as police suspect, were not completely clear. And a teenager, a 17 year old, continues to be questioned . Yep. A 17yearold boy has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder and police are continuing to question him. They have said that they have no reason to believe that he was known to the young six year old boy, but were going to have to wait and see how long that questioning goes on and what happens further on. Police say the disappearance of a 15 year old london girl in malaysia is now being treated as a missing person case and not an abduction. Nora quoirin, who has learning difficulties, arrived in the country with her family on saturday. 0ur correspondent in south east asia, jonathan head, is following the story from bangkok. Fill us in on this latest development from the police, jonathan . I think actually it is a clarification of their position, they are treating it at the moment still as a missing person case. Its a very large scale such that they have got underway. Theyre not ruling out the possibility of an abduction, it is just that at this stage, theyre not telling us that they have got any indication to believe that it was one. Her family are extremely concerned, she has special needs, they say she would find it very difficult to communicate with anybody and that it would have been very uncharacteristic of herjust to vanish from a hotel room. They had only just arrived, its vanish from a hotel room. They had onlyjust arrived, its a completely strange area for her, on saturday night, and they came in on sunday morning and discovered that she had gone and that there was a window open. So, nobody is rolling out the possibility it was an abduction, its just the police are treating it asa its just the police are treating it as a missing person and theyve got about 165 officials from various different units involved in searching the area immediately around the resort they were staying in. And also in thejungle of the National Park adjacent to it. This resort is very close to an area of natural forest and so they are sending teams out there at the moment. So, quite a lot of teams are still looking but we have no indication at the moment as to what happened to her. How vulnerable is this teenager . Well, by the description of her family, very vulnerable. They describe her as having special needs, learning difficulties. If she finds it difficulties. If she finds it difficult to munich eight, being in a completely strange country, not speaking the language, most people there might not speak very much english, it is going to be very, very challenging for her. Communicate. 0bviously anywhere with jungle could be very worrying as well. The National Park is quite extensive. If you got lost in there you would be in real trouble even if you would be in real trouble even if you didnt have special needs so there is extreme concern for her safety. 0ver eating, under eating and fussiness in Early Childhood can be linked to eating disorders in later life. Thats according to a new study from University College london. So, what can be done to tackle these problems in children and why is it important . We can now speak to dr moritz herle, Research Associate at ucl and the lead author of the study. Bahee van de bor, whos a paediatric dietician. And holli dillon, who has suffered from eating disorders. So, dr herle, there is a link, then, between children who are persistently fussy eaters in their first ten years of life and increased risk of adolescence being diagnosed from eating disorders. There might be some people who are alarmed by this so put it into context alarmed by this so put it into co ntext a nd alarmed by this so put it into context and explain your research and put thank you very much. What is important to understand is that fussy eating is a very common behaviour, all children are fussy at certain times during their childhood, or we all know a fussy friend who only wants to eat specific things. Fussy eating is fine and part of Healthy Development but it is really that persistent fussy eating across the first ten yea rs of life fussy eating across the first ten years of life which we found was linked to a slightly higher risk for. Slightly higher . In our group of 5000 adolescents, about 1 meet diagnostic criteria for anorexic no verso, and the children who were persistent fussy eaters had a risk of 3 . So i think it is a small increase but it is important for pa rents to increase but it is important for parents to know that often, eating behaviours are seen in the context of wait develop or nutrition, but we can see now how these behaviours are also important for eating disorders so also important for eating disorders so it is something to keep in mind. How is com and other symptoms in kids, overeating, under being fussy, how common other symptoms, overeating or under eating, being fussy . Its quite common under the age of ten, were not talking about people who just eat broccoli one day and theyre people who just eat broccoli one day and they re not people who just eat broccoli one day and theyre not the next, its about children who only eat a very narrow range of foods and there is a difficulty getting them to eat a large range of food, persistent fussy eating. Thank you for coming on the programme, holli. You dont believe your anorexia and bulimia, which you are now recovering from, we re which you are now recovering from, were to do with how you ate as a child because there are many reasons that need to an eating disorder, what is your experience . For me, looking back at the time line, there was a series of dramatic events, it was a series of dramatic events, it was a series of dramatic events, it was a stress build up that broke and that was the catalyst that i could see that started it for me. But i was diagnosed with ibs as a child. Irritable bile syndrome, how old are you . Irritable bile syndrome, how old are you . Irritable irritable bile syndrome, how old are you . Irritable bowel syndrome . was about seven. I had problems with dairy throughout childhood as well. Sol dairy throughout childhood as well. So i cut that out around the time i started the eating disorder. I think its interesting, because i would not have immediately thought of there being a correlation between how i ate when i was a kid and how that might have developed later, particularly my brother had accuracy as well anorexia as well, that started when he was 11, and he used to really love the food. And as you have explained, its a slightly increased risk, with a very small number of individuals, we need to keep that context. There are many reasons but you say its important for pa rents reasons but you say its important for parents to keep this in mind, why . I think every parent wants to, interest in their childss health, and if you are experiencing that only have a child who is very fussy, around the dinner table, moving forward , around the dinner table, moving forward, the child grows up and they start school and they have more meals out of the home, you dont know as much whats going on there so know as much whats going on there so its important to keep the dialogue going. If you know you have a child he was very fussy, maybe look out for other things which are associated with anorexia like excessive exercising or using other ways to keep weight down, or being unhappy with their body shape. Its having this very complete picture because eating disorders are not a lwa ys because eating disorders are not always just about eating but also lots of other issues come into play. Its nice to have all the different types of information coming in. Its nice to have all the different types of information coming inm its nice to have all the different types of information coming in. Is a or paediatric dietician, can you give some tips for fussy eaters . M mealtimes are strettle at the moment the main priority is to try and diffuse that stress. 0ne the main priority is to try and diffuse that stress. One way around it is to follow the division of responsibility, where the parent has a responsibility to provide nutritious meals, and the child chooses how much and when to eat. So still have a nice structure around meals, so having breakfast followed bya meals, so having breakfast followed by a snack and lunch so that the child knows that if they are not so hungry right now, there will be a snack shortly after the meal. But trust the child, know if they are not so hungry at that meal, thats 0k, they willjust eat a little bit more later on in the day. And its perfectly normal. That sounds so straightforward. So no bribing or forcing, no threatening, no blackmail. Absolutely. Thats something we talk about in clinics, try and really diffuse, keep rewards non food related. It might be that the child just wants time with their parents, we are so the child just wants time with their parents, we are so busy and work long hours, they mightjust want a bit of story time or a trip to the pub with their dad. These are things that we talk about in clinic. Couple of messages, this text is said, i used to raise my son on vegetables, mashed, boiled animal, he used to be into them but now its a co nsta nt he used to be into them but now its a constant battle to get him to eat them. But we have to trust our kids to eat what they feel they need, not us to eat what they feel they need, not us be hovering. With regards to eating food i didnt want to when i was a child, and not listened to when i insisted, ifound later on i shouldnt be avoiding those foods so maybe we should listen to our kids. Samantha says, my son has been fussy since we know, he does try and try things but he physically gags and he has the struggle, he has been the same since a baby. He survived on plain jacket potatoes and boiled rice or nursery. How are you now now . A lot better. I reeducated myself, a lot of mine were centred around fat intake so i had to re educate myself with how important that is, getting a balanced meal. I think the crying shame for me is, i love food and i love cooking. That was the biggest struggle for me, trying to get over that. Did you do it by yourself . Mostly, yes. Once i realised i had a problem, it took a little while for me to open up about that, i kept it very private, there was a lot of shame about it. I finally managed to overtime tell people, tell my doctor, and get therapy and help. Thank you, everyone. You can get more support from the vcs action line. Bbcs action line. President donald trump has said hate has no place in the us after 29 people were killed in two Mass Shootings over the weekend. Mr trump blamed Mental Illness for the attacks but his critics blame guns, white supremacism, hate speech and him. 0h, oh, my god lets go, lets go. Run, run, run at a Shopping Centre in texas, 20 people were killed. In ohio meanwhile, in the city of dayton, a man shot dead nine people, including his own sister. In the Shopping Centre in el paso in texas, a 21 year old white man has been charged with capital murder and if found guilty, faces the death penalty. Us media have named him as patrick crusius. Hes seen here on cctv footage during the attack. Hes accused of publishing an online document calling the attack a response to the hispanic invasion of texas. The city of el paso is home to democrat congressman, beto 0rourke, whos hoping to take on donald trump in next years president ial election. He was stopped by a reporter on the way to his car. Cani can ijust can i just ask, can ijust ask, is there anything in your mind that the president can do now to make this. What do you think . You know the bleep that he has been saying. He has been calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. Members of the press, what the bleep . Hold on a second. Its these questions that you know the answers to. I mean, connect the dots about what hes been doing in this country. He is not tolerating racism, he is promoting racism. He not tolerating violence, he is inciting racism and violence in this country. You know, ijust. I dont know what kind of question is. Heres what the president said about the shootings. Ijust want i just want to ijust want to say i just want to say that these ijust want to say that these are two incredible places, we love the people. Hate has no place in our country. Our first lady and myself, condolences to all, we have to get it stopped. This has been going on for years, for years and years in our country and we have to get it stopped. People have been using social media to praise those who tried to help during the attacks. Glendon 0akley is an army officer who ran toward the sound of gunfire at the texas Shopping Centre, and was seen scooping up children in his arms, taking them to safety. This tweet says thank you, glendon 0akleer for running towards the danger in order to save innocent babies whod been separated from their parents in the walmart shooting. You are a hero. The two attacks within hours of one another have inevitably reignited the debate surrounding gun control. There have now been more than 250 deadly Mass Shootings in the us in 2019. We can speak now to rhonda hart. Her daughter Kimberly Vaughan was one of 10 children and teachers killed at Santa Fe High School in 2018. This is herfirst interview with british media, and she says nothing about gun policy will change until a politicians child is attacked. Larry arnold is director of the pro gun organisation, the texas concealed hand gun association, and is a National Rifle association instructor. Thank you for talking to us. I would like to ask you both, and i will start with you, ronde, is Donald Trumps rhetoric on immigration factor at all here . I believe it is. There was a study that was just put out very recently, that said in towns where he had had rallies, the increase in violence had been over 200 . Larry arnold, is there a link in your view . I think theres enough hates coming from both sides. Were seeing, had the interview with mr orourke, he did not sound very level headed orourke, he did not sound very level headed either. Orourke, he did not sound very level headed either. Hate orourke, he did not sound very level headed either. Hate is hate, regardless of which side you come from. So, sorry, hate on both sides, could you give us a little bit more information about what you mean there, mr arnold . The democrats, just before the last election, said that the losers would cause chaos. Turns out they were correct. Except they were not expecting to be the losers. Mr trump certainly has added fuel to the fire, and both sides are going at it. In addition, you have all of the hate that is spewing out on social media, we have some situations on College Campuses where young people are trying to get professors fired, even though they are on theirown professors fired, even though they are on their own side. The hate seems to be pervasive on both sides of the aisle. Right. Thats interesting because its president , you did acknowledge that President Trump has added fuel to the fire, thatis trump has added fuel to the fire, that is your belief, but it was the president who called mexicans rapists and criminals, he said Congress Women of colour should go back home, it was the president who called Illegal Immigrants animals. The 21 year old white man charged with this shooting is believed to have posted this document online calling the attack in response to the hispanic invasion of texas. He also called out both republicans and democrats as far as sources of his hatred. I dont think its all on President Trump. I dont think its all on democrats. I think theyre both going at it about as fearfully as they can. There are calls for impeaching mrtrump. As they can. There are calls for impeaching mr trump. Sorry to interrupt, there is a delay on the line. It was not the democrats who called undocumented immigrants animals. He said, these arent people. These are animals. What mr trump says is mr trumps problem. Thats not what i understood we were here to discuss. However, one of our shootings again was a person targeting republican congressmen. What were seeing is hatred on both sides. And they are feeding each other. Rhonda heart, do you think both sides have a responsibility when it comes to the language of hate . I do, but i will tell you that asa hate . I do, but i will tell you that as a democrat, and as a democratic supporter, i dont see hate language. I see hatred in, for us, we are angry, we are upset that that language is being used, we are upset that he is targeting four freshmen members of congress, also women. 0ur anger comes from his actions. And we are angry in a good way that we want to try and fix this. But you will have heard the clip there, you will have heard the clip there, you will have heard the clip there, you will have heard your president say, there is no room for hate in the us, and he blamed Mental Illness for the shootings. His daughter is anchor trump said, White Supremacy is an evil and has to be counted. His daughter ivanka trump. Well, maam, i dont believe that Mental Illness is the main cause. I can tell you, in our shooting at the high school in santa fe texas, it was, i think, three parts. Texas has lax gun laws. The School District had not been paying attention to what had happened. And then we had a young man that was not well, and he had access, readily access, to deadly firearms. Larry arnold, iwant access, readily access, to deadly firearms. Larry arnold, i want to meet you this message from one of our british viewers who are listening to you speak live now, we are grateful for your time. Listening to you speak live now, we are gratefulfor your time. Andrew says, had typical to see speaker after speaker in el paso praising the Emergency Services, offering prayers for the victims of their families, eulogising the strength of the community and blaming Mental Health issues, while totally ignoring the massive area elephant in the room, the desperate need for gun control legislation in the usa. Has he got a point . need for gun control legislation in the usa. Has he got a point . I think he has a point on one level. On the other hand, britain is now proceeding so far down that path that they are looking at banning kitchen knives and glass mugs in pubs. And still the violence is there. I dont think that the guns are the problem, i think they may be are the problem, i think they may be a symptom of the problem, not Mental Illness, butjust a symptom of the problem, not Mental Illness, but just eight. A symptom of the problem, not Mental Illness, butjust eight. A lot of me ntally illness, butjust eight. A lot of mentally just hate. A lot of me ntally mentally just hate. A lot of mentally ill people are very stable and responsible members of the community. Mental illness is not just a catchphrase. Its something that happens to a lot of people, and theyre not necessarily more dangerous as a result of it. Absolutely, of course, but doesnt make sense that if there are fewer guns, then there will be shootings . That may be true, on the other hand we re ce ntly that may be true, on the other hand we recently had an incident injapan where there are practically no guns, where there are practically no guns, where someone sprayed a flammable liquid around and killed people. Three of the worst mass killings in the United States that i remember, the United States that i remember, the happy nightclub, the Federal Building and 9 11, were carried out entirely without firearms. Some people in europe were run over with a truck. I notice you deflect every question about guns and refer to some other violent means, when you know that the number of Mass Shootings across the us so far this year is more than the number of days. To counter the gentlemens argument. That depends on how you defined, that depends on how you defined, that depends on how you define a mass shooting. defined, that depends on how you define a mass shooting. I am going to counter the gentlemans argument about the mass killing of 911. Last year, we about the mass killing of 911. Last yea r, we lost about the mass killing of 911. Last year, we lost a0,000 americans had to gun violence, my daughter is one of them. If you take a0000 and divided by 2966, i think that was about the number of People Killed in 9 11, it is the equivalent of 13 911 attacks every year that happens to americans, and our congress is not doing anything. I remember immediately following the nine slash 11 attacks, there was invasive security, i was stationed on an army base, we had all of our Tactical Equipment up and ready to go. When you flew, now we cannot take our shoes off and guess what, we have stopped hijackings. If you look at that as far as what happened after the columbine shooting, which i was also a student in that era, after columbine, we made it easier to get guns. We made it easier essentially say that a hijacker could take a plane and commit another act. Say that a hijacker could take a plane and commit another actm doesnt make sense to me. Will anything change . I think that now we are taking baby steps, there are people in the house of representatives, and in this mid term election, we are working on the senate. But we need to have a discussion with the lawful gun owners, not nobody wants to take your guns. That is the rhetoric which gets spewed so much in texas. I personally have deep respect for anyone he chooses to have a gun in their house. But also, please, i beg you, make sure it is locked up safe and secure and also away from the ammunition. Thank you very much for yourtime, we ammunition. Thank you very much for your time, we really appreciate it. Her daughter was one of ten children and teachers killed in santa fe in 2018, was her first and teachers killed in santa fe in 2018, was herfirst interview and teachers killed in santa fe in 2018, was her first interview in britain. And an instructorfrom the nra, larry arnold. 20 hospitals in england are getting more cash for new equipment and outdated faciltiies. The money will go to areas incuding lincolnshire and cornwall and the £1. 8 billion will be spread over five years. So are we heading for an autumn general election . 0ur Political Correspondent Jessica Parker is at westminster. What do you think . I think its looking increasingly likely. Why . There are a couple of things going on, as he referred to. Borisjohnson making a string of spending pledges, you would be forgiven for thinking we are in some kind of general election campaign. Downing street insisted they dont want a general election but when you look at the maths in parliament and the stakes in westminster when mps return in the autumn, it could turn out that way. Why . Borisjohnson is making his do or die pledge to leave the eu by the end of october. A number of mps are very concerned about that one of the options to try and block it that is being discussed is calling a no confidence vote in the government which can trigger a general election. Whether that happens before october 31 or after, thats up for debate. Thank you very much. The cost of rural theft is the highest its been for seven years, according to new figures. The insurer, nfu mutual, says farmers lost £50 million to crime in 2018. There was a 26 rise in claims for stolen farm vehicles, such as tractors and quad bikes. Well, lets speak now to two farmers who have been affected by rural crime. Dave greenow is a livestock farmer from hereford who has had livestock and equipment stolen. And kate beavan is a sheep farmer from abergavenny, where she says rural crime is rife. Kate, tell us why you say rural crime is rife in your area, give us some examples. Well, i think we have been affected in the past, we have had a couple of quad bikes stolen. But we have also had lots of neighbours recently, tends to be quad bikes, tools and tractors, but also livestock and more alarmingly at the moment, the sheepdogs. The theft of sheepdogs has gone up about 90 because they are worth thousands of pounds. And we had a neighbour and a friend, unfortunately on saturday night, they got a dog, called tig, not only a working sheepdog, a family friend, she went missing at ten tm on saturday evening, she is presumed stolen and the had family are heartbroken. She is not just the had family are heartbroken. She is notjust a working dog, she lives in the house and she is a big pa rt lives in the house and she is a big part of the family. This is the thing about rural crime, its not just about the financial loss. Its the emotional side as well. I know here, when we lost the quad bikes, its just knowing that somebody has been on the property, and you feel a little bit under siege. A lot of people i have spoken to who have had repeat thefts on the farm. Its getting pretty scary. Dave, what has been stolen from you . We have been livestock, sheep, cattle, we have lost gates, two livestock trainers, hey, rural vandalism is rife. Lost gates, two livestock trainers, hey, ruralvandalism is rife. Its complete lawlessness in the Rural Communities. Cyber crime as well, we have lost thousands of pounds this year through cybercrime. Its when you go to a field, with some sheep that you have bought in a market recently, and find that they are completely gone with no trace, only real marks of a trailer. You go to market by stock to farm. When its taken from you, you still have to pay for the stock but its not there. Are these opportunists, or are these gangs . You just said, dave . Is there lawlessness in some areas, you mean that . dave . Is there lawlessness in some areas, you mean that . I do, yeah. The sheep and cattle incident, it organised. If you have got a good dog, a couple of gates, you can round upa dog, a couple of gates, you can round up a few sheep, put them in a trailer on the back of a lorry coming down the road and they are gone. Cut the ear tags out, perhaps year to get the share them to get the markings off, and they get to where they go. Its people who know what theyre doing, they can handle livestock and animal and theyre pretty ruthless. They wanted, theyll have it. I have some figures here that say rural crime costs the uk 50 million in 2018, an increase of 12 on the previous year, and the highest cost since 2011. Clearly you contact the police when something is stolen from you. Are there enough offices, are there enough resources when it comes to your local Police Forces in rural areas . To track down the perpetrators . No, it has been difficult. We have had a few calls, we have dialled 101 and not been able to have anyone come out and log it. The local Police Station in abergavenny has just closed down this year. They have launched in the area, the beginning of this year, a rural Crime Department of great police so time will tell, hopefully thatis police so time will tell, hopefully that is a positive step forward. I think the police are stretched, i know boris has promised us a lot more in the way the police force is going, but no, its a difficult one because people have had a crime, they have called the police, and then the police have taken a log number but not had time to come out. And even if they did come out, i dont know how far away our local station is, it would take them half an hourto get station is, it would take them half an hour to get here. The other issue is, actually, mobile phone coverage. We have had a very good farm watch system, and the neighbours are very good, if they see a suspicious person, suspicious vehicle, they will contact the next neighbourhood contacts others on social media which is great, but we have no mobile signal here. Not only is it difficult to find out whats been happening just down the road ten minutes ago, but also its very isolating as a farmer. Youre usually on your own, but without mobile phone signal, its very difficult to get information. Thank you both for your time this morning, appreciate it. Well, the National Police Chiefs Council said they re clear that crime in Rural Communities can have devastating consequences for residents and businesses. They said theyre working with forces to strengthen their response to rural crime using a recently published Rural Affairs strategy. Regarding our exclusive story this morning, a woman who we are calling vicky, conceived of rape who wants to prosecute her father. Vicky, conceived of rape who wants to prosecute herfather. This e mail from her mother. I want to say thank you for allowing my daughter to tell her story. Good morning. It started off rather cloudy, we had some showery rain moving east across many parts of england and wales but along with those a lot of the showers have cleared a whale and we have some sunshine. Most of england and wales, clad in the sunshine, across eastern areas that will clear away. The showers for scotland and Northern Ireland will be slow moving today, heavy and perhaps thundery times into this afternoon. Largely dry for england and wales, the sunshine there, maximum temperatures into the high teens to mid 20s in the south east. Tonight, further showers in scotland, Northern Ireland, a few more showers moving into south west england, through wales and into the early pa rt england, through wales and into the early part of tuesday morning. These are the overnight temperatures, 11 to 1a celsius but throughout tuesday, while there will be some sunny spells, there will also be heavy and thundery showers, especially for scotland and Northern Ireland where they will be slow moving. For england and wales, they will move through quickly on a brisk south westerly wind. Youre watching bbc newsroom live its11am and these are the main stories this morning the government pledges £850 million for 20 nhs hospitals in england but critics warn it wont be enough. 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