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The self proclaimed dude of downing street has already pledged to dispel the defeatism today. Today he sets out his vision for britain after brexit. For the next hour and a half well be speaking to allies of the new pm and critics too, plus mps from all sides. Well ask, can mrjohnson really deliver brexit on 31st october as promised . What will his other policy priorities be . And have a look at this. Politicians, as far as i can work out, are pretty incompetent. And then have a veneer of competence. Yes. You do seem to do it the other way around. Yes. I mean, you cant rule out the possibility that beneath the elaborately constructed veneer of a blithering idiot that there is another blithering idiot. Will borisjohnsons unique style be a help or a hindrance as pm . Well ask people who know him well what they think. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Its Boris Johnsons first day in office. Lets see how the papers are reflecting it. Im the dude is the headline on the front of the telegraph. That stands for deliver brexit, unite the country, defeat corbyn, energise britain. Thats a picture actually which features on many of the papers. The same on the times. Johnson goes to work. Now bring sunshine, the daily mail, says. Eu talks looming. After boris winds a landslide vote with a burst of optimism on the day britain baked a brexit weary nation cry is now offering a sunshine. The guardian, and ambition is fulfilled but what next for britain . Power at last is how the i sees it. The daily mirror has gone for a different take, various memorable pictures from his time previously when he was mayor of london and the headline on the front page there, its really not funny anymore. And finally, the sun newspaper, hey, dude, dont make it bad, i will beatjeremy corbyn. Thats a quick look at the front pages. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about. Use the hashtag victoria live. Keith on twitter said hes got the job done, his sole aim is to be Prime Minister and the brexit shambles will continue and worsen. Beatrice on Facebook Says call a general election so people have a say. Bradley on facebook said he could become one of the most greatest Prime Ministers in the country ever and it could go disastrously wrong, time will tell. Ifa disastrously wrong, time will tell. If a job is continuing to completely scrap the country like the last migratory Prime Ministers, then certainly he will dojust migratory Prime Ministers, then certainly he will do just fine. Facebook says a clown in charge of a massive circus. The whole and not need ripping out and starting again. British politics is dead. They are all of touch. None have done what was asked by the 52 to leave. All we had so far is lies and deception. Thanks for those. Keep them coming if youre emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the Programme Please include your phone number in your message. Lets go to norman smith who can give us the overview. What is going to be happening today . Today we begin to get a picture of a kind of Prime Minister Boris Johnson begin to get a picture of a kind of Prime Minister borisjohnson is going to be because we will get the sort of bare bones i think by close of play of his cabinet and that will tell us the sort of people he has surrounded himself with, what is approached a government is going to be. His team have given us a little taster. They say bluntly they want to inject some mojo into cabinet. Their view is the current crop have run out of steam, become tired and exhausted, politically paralysed, they want to bring in some fresh blood to shake things up, give a sense of can do to energise, as mr johnson said. At the same time, they wa nt johnson said. At the same time, they want a cabinet that reflects modern britain, so many more women, more members of ethnic minorities, and more younger tories from the sort of 2015 generation that were elected andi 2015 generation that were elected and i think that is part of trying to rebuff the idea that brexit is all a bit fuddy duddy. Looking over your shoulder to a britain gone past. They want to project an image of britain is outward looking, confident on the dawn of a new exit. And the last thing hes got to do is to bind his fractured Parliamentary Party together and there we are in the land of the old tightrope walk, because there are going to be a lot of brexiteers who were brought into the cupboard, but he cant afford for it to be a true believers cabinet, so hes got to keep some remainers and there its beginning already to look a little bit wobbly. In particular overjeremy hunt, his rival in the contest, who i suspect may be on the way out, because he will only stay if it is given a top job. Last night he said you could be defence secretary. Mr hunt said no, thats not good enough, so i think he may well be leaving and that could already test the fragile unity in thejohnson government. Could already test the fragile unity in the johnson government. Thank you very much, norman. Borisjohnson once said he had more chance of being reincarnated as an olive than becoming Prime Minister. But today he will fulfill his lifetime ambition and take the top job in british politics. The man who was a key figure in the leave campaign, some argue they couldnt have won without him, will now take charge of the brexit process, promising we will leave the eu with or without a deal by october the 31st. Thats just one of the huge tasks facing him as he replaces theresa may in number ten downing street. His conservative government still has to rely on the votes of the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party to get anything done. He inherits a party thatjust came fifth in the recent European Elections. And in parliament there remains widespread opposition to leaving the eu if no deal can be reached. Were going to ask some of the key figures who know and have worked with him, and who like and dislike him whether the former mayor of london and foreign secretarys ability will match up to his ambition. And we can talk now to one of borisjohnsons backers. Nadhim zahawi is childrens minister and switched to supporting mrjohnson when his first choice dominic raab was eliminated from the race. Welcome, thank you forjoining us. Nicholas soames was on newsnight last night and he said this is not the time when we need someone who is a bit ofa the time when we need someone who is a bit of a chancer. I cant recall someone a bit of a chancer. I cant recall someone else coming into be the leader of this country where there have been so many questions around their ability to deliver on what they say and their character. Ive known boris for 20 years. When i was finding yougov, boris decided to stand as mayor of london. The conservative party was then 17 points behind in london. Everyone said it is impossible for a conservative candidate to win in london yet he came from behind and he won. London are then voted him backin he won. London are then voted him back in because of what he delivered. He delivered more affordable housing, in a downturn than the previous labour government. Sorry to interrupt but these things have been set again and again about borisjohnson but have been set again and again about Boris Johnson but what he have been set again and again about borisjohnson but what he was not facing their was 27 other countries com pletely facing their was 27 other countries completely united saying we are not going to give you what you want. Three months to do at him, when its something that has been apparently impossible to resolve for three yea rs. Impossible to resolve for three years. And parliamentary majority of two, it is testing for anyone. Years. And parliamentary majority of two, it is testing for anyonelj think if there is one human being who can actually unite the party, bring the country back together again, injecta bring the country back together again, inject a massive dose of optimism, which i think is important in politics, these things matter, communications matter, to build coalitions, it matters. If theresa may had one fault it was the inability to believe in the coalition and build it for her vote. Ultimately, communication, he is the master of communications, do matter. Bringing people together for them master of communications, do matter. Bringing people togetherfor them he demonstrated, he brought Andrea Leadsom and arch brexiteer with robert buckland, a remainer, and campaigned vigorously in his camp very early on and actually brought 160 mp5 very early on and actually brought 160 mps back together. When we look at what has happened so far, weve got someone who said in order to serve a cabinet you have to sign up to no deal brexit, so youve got all these key figures leaving, Philip Hammond, david gauke, rory stewart, he apparently had a conversation with him to say he wanted to bring him in and rory stewart said i think you forgot what i was standing for. There is going to be a very powerful group of ex ministers who are gathering on the backbenches who are determined to stop a no deal brexit and they are potentially going to be joined by an alliance of mps from other parties in some sort of coalition. That is the political reality. You mentioned Nicholas Soames earlier, who tweeted yesterday what a great appointment for mark spencer, the chief weapon, who is a farmer, a remainer, and highly respected, so it demonstrates that boris will bring a coalition of mps together to his cabinet and well see people who were in the remain camp and all signed up to getting a good deal out of the eu. Just to pick up on that point. Your question was kindly deliver a deal . Well, if people on the other side believe you are determined and you have a disciplined cabinet and a Ministerial Team behind you, and you wa nt to Ministerial Team behind you, and you want to do a fair deal for britain but the backstop has to be dealt with, there are issues around much of the deal which needs to be put into the future agreement, then i think if they know that the cabinet is behind you, you are prepared to walk away, not that you want to but you are prepared to, if you have to, then i think they will think again and actually produce a fairer deal for britain. The thing you are saying, is you think that will happen. What if it doesnt . Its a negotiation ultimately. Lets scroll forward , negotiation ultimately. Lets scroll forward, the hope is as Boris Johnson are saying he can somehow get a new deal. Those who say thats just not going to happen, say, well, if the eu bans on this one it sent out a message to anybody involved in future negotiations with a 27 countries that they will bend if the other side pushes hard enough. That is something to bear in mind. So if they dont, where do we end up . There is a coalition in parliament that would not agree to that. Your question, in itself, defies the problem we have had in the last three years which as we negotiate with ourselves, if they dont accept this, then what will we do . You go into negotiations fully prepared to walk away, you prepare the country which is what boris will absolutely do, we will prepare them, i was in the department for education and we we re the department for education and we were a Donor Department to death and hmrc, and we were there on the 29th of march, to be ready defra. Because the other side believe, the documentary nick robinson. Because the other side believe, the documentary nick robinson. Ij because the other side believe, the documentary nick robinson. I do understand what youre saying but what im asking you, though,. But ultimately you have to go in. But what if it proves to have been wrong . Can this country leave with no deal on the 31st of october . Can borisjohnson no deal on the 31st of october . Can Boris Johnson guarantee no deal on the 31st of october . Can borisjohnson guarantee that . It looks like he cant, because there are people in the tory party say they would be prepared to vote against the government in a vote of no confidence to trigger a general election. First of all, lets get to that point, get through the negotiation, its a much better place to be. Ive spent most of my life and business rather than in politics. In a negotiation, you got to be prepared to walk away if you have to do. I think the best way to go to have to do. I think the best way to gotoa have to do. I think the best way to go to a negotiation is to be ready. If the other side believe you are ready, then they will think in a different way to the way they have been thinking up until now when theyve been essentially told we will never leave without a deal whereas what boris is saying is i wa nt whereas what boris is saying is i want a deal and i will strain every sinew to do a deal which is fair to us sinew to do a deal which is fair to us unfairto you, sinew to do a deal which is fair to us unfair to you, not locking us into this backstop and perpetually being in the European Union. But if you dont give me a deal, i am prepared to walk away. That is the difference here, and i think ultimately, the 31st of october is the legal date. Parliament has voted, colleagues have voted, where you voted remain and leave, we will leave the eu on the 31st of october. Nigel thrice has a solution for no deal brexit which is do a deal with a brexit party can have a general election, and have a deal for no deal brexit and then that was a party which was the big winner, 32 versus 7 , 9 for the tories, so that sounds like a viable option if borisjohnson that sounds like a viable option if Boris Johnson wants to that sounds like a viable option if borisjohnson wants to deliver no deal. The reason the popup party, brexit party, has emerged and done well in the European Election is the electorate by sending us a message, not just to the conservatives electorate by sending us a message, notjust to the conservatives but electorate by sending us a message, not just to the conservatives but to the labour party, to say we are not happy you have not delivered on your promise to effectively enact our instruction to you to deliver brexit. If we deliver brexit and many labour mps who dont believe in the london labour partys position of remain and essentially break the promise to the nation, well i think ultimately, Sarah Champion said she if she had to word vote for a wto brexit rather than staying in the eu mac orange have another referendum which essentially come if you think ofa which essentially come if you think of a second referendum people, its compounding the uncertainty on British Business because they were back at square one so i think boris arguments are compelling and i believe his brand of optimism and bringing people in, you study spoke to rory, he will speak to anyone if he thinks they can help him to live on his promise to leave on the 31st of october. As in the definition of an anti climax when you get a new government saying something is going to happen, theres 100 government saying something is going to happen, theres100 days to do it, and the day after borisjohnson becomes Prime Minister, mps go off on holiday for six weeks. Becomes Prime Minister, mps go off on holiday for six weekslj becomes Prime Minister, mps go off on holiday for six weeks. I can guarantee you borisjohnson matter what government wont go on holiday for six weeks. I dont know, its up to the Prime Minister. Ive had no conversation with my friend boris but he will have to decide who is his team but i can guarantee you right now that they will start work immediately so the work begins now. His whole team will be starting work through the whole summer to make sure we are ready to leave on the 31st october, i am optimistic. What is the first material think the government have to do to prepare poor or no deal brexit . We not ready. Is it a tax cut . Something to stimulator the economy . We are already preparing. Today, i am on the Ministerial Team for preparations for brexit. That team has been working solidly to make sure that every department is ready for brexit. The Education Department will be ready for brexit. Every other department will be ready for brexit. Thats what needs to happen. The nation has to know, businesses large and small, have to know that the government is behind them and ready to leave on the 31st of october. With a deal. If we dont get a deal will still leave. Thank you very much. Borisjohnson is facing challenging times for those are the words of the Eu Commission president elect. He has vowed to have the eu out by the 31st of october but with an eu which looks unwilling to alter the existing deal and a parliament that wont pass a new dealjust how will the new Prime Minister navigate his first few months in office . Jim reed reports. Our new Prime Minister was elected on a simple promise. I think its very important that we get ready to leave on october the 31st, come what may. That date, october 31st, might feel like an age away, but in parliamentary terms theres not much time left to try and solve our brexit problem. Today, theresa may will host her final Prime Ministers questions before the short drive to Buckingham Palace to hand over power. That leaves just one day for mps to sit in the commons before breaking up for their summer holidays. The next key date comes at the start of september. Parliament will resume for a short session before the Party Conference season. Its here that one of two paths to brexit may become clear. Path one, can borisjohnson and his new cabinet renegotiate an exit deal with brussels, one that solves the problem of the irish border . Any new brexit deal would have to be signed off by the eu and need approval by parliament. Path two, if a new deal cant be done will borisjohnson accelerate plans for a no deal brexit . If thats the case, a battle with pro eu mps is a certainty with labour threatening a vote of no confidence and a possible general election. Parliament is likely to break around mid september for those Party Conferences. Boris johnsons speech at the conservative Party Conference in manchester could well be crucial. But that leaves just a month of parliamentary time until we are supposed to leave. Watch for an eu summit, currently planned for mid october, where there is, perhaps, the last chance for some sort of deal. If that doesnt happen, then we are left with two options, a no deal exit, meaning we trade with other countries on stripped down wto terms. Or yet another delay that something could also lead to another referendum, or a general election. The key question is what happens next with brexit . Can they really be a guarantee we will leave the eu on the 31st of october . Lets talk now to conservative mp mark francois, along with snp mp pete wishart, and labours mp Stephen Kinnock. Well come, all of you, thank you for joining us. Stephen kennett, yesterdayjeremy corbyn said he surprised us with when he would put forward a motion of no confidence. When would you like to see it . |j think probably Early September is the best point because we will know by then whether Boris Johnson the best point because we will know by then whether borisjohnson has managed to get anything from brussels or he is just intent on crushing our country out of the eu ona crushing our country out of the eu on a catastrophic no deal basis. There is no mandate for that in parliament, both the conservative party and labour party stood on a platform of the 2017 general election but there is no mandate for no deal, that is very clear grounds for a motion of no confidence in Early September, i think. The snp . As soon as possible is my view. The minister has been elected on the backs of a curious 160,000 electorate of the conservative party, so ill prepared to run a country, so what we want is to ensure that there is an opportunity for the people of this country to have a verdict on borisjohnson. For the people of this country to have a verdict on Boris Johnson. The snp could put forward a vote of no confidence. You dont have to for labour. To have a chance, labour would have to present that. We are looking at them today and the rest of this week to see if thats going to be forthcoming but the mechanics of this are really important. The most important thing is we succeed if there is a boat in no confidence so we if there is a boat in no confidence so we wait to see what happens this week to exactly the type of plans and conditions put forward to the country and make an assessment of that. The movements are in place obviously behind the scenes and overtly to block Boris Johnson ultimately delivering a no deal brexit. Can you be confident we will leave on the 31st october . Im absolutely confident we will because, with respect to my colleagues, the british are absolutely thick and tired of westminster mps playing silly games in orderto westminster mps playing silly games in order to try and prevent us leaving the European Union which is what 17. 4 leaving the European Union which is what17. 4 million leaving the European Union which is what 17. 4 Million People voted leaving the European Union which is what17. 4 Million People voted for. Theyve absolutely had enough of it and you saw that reflected in the European Elections. Boris gets that, he completely understands it, thats why he is determined to leave and he has a mandate from 17. 4 Million People. Voted by 0. 13 of has a mandate from 17. 4 Million People. Voted by 0. 1396 of the country to be Prime Minister. Previously when he was a journal devoted column about gordon brown having no mandate to be Prime Minister after tony blair and said it was cowardly not to have a mandate. I suspect we will have a general election between 2022 but the absolute priority now for the country is to leave the eu on halloween. We had a general election on 2015, a referendum in 2016, which we still have not honoured, another general election in 2017, i havent got my constituents telling me, for god sake we need a general election, but they are telling me they are saying get out of the eu. It not answering a question about his mandate. Hes been overwhelmingly elected by tory members, and i believe you will get a vote of confidence in the house of commons whenever they have the bottle to do it. He has a mandate from 17. 4 Million People to leave the European Union. That is what is going to do. Ultimately, that is the position we are in the, the country voted to leave. If you do anything to thwart that, thats supporting democracy, isnt it . Absolutely not. Before the referendum 2016 absolutely nobody was talking about leaving the European Union without a dealer. In march 2016, nigel farage was saying we should leave on the basis of a norway style deal. Then in 2017, both the conservative party and the labour party stood on a manifesto which clearly said that labour ruled out no deal explicitly, the tories that they have to be on the basis of an orderly and smooth brexit, so no deal is a catastrophe for security, for the Northern Ireland Peace Process , for the Northern Ireland Peace Process, for the steel industry, manufacturing sector, pharmaceuticals, it is the most reckless and Anti National interest then we can possibly do. Im in favour of leaving the European Union. I stood on a manifesto in 2017 which said we should leave on the basis of a deal, but we have to do leave on the basis of a deal which protects the british economy, protects security and the Northern Ireland Peace Process and the idea that somebody who has been voted in by less tha n that somebody who has been voted in by less than 100,000 tory Party Members has a mandate for something which was never on any ballot paper and in any manifesto is a constitutional outrage. What would the snp be prepared to do to stop no deal . Anything possible. I was one of the first people to put forward an amendment to stop this madness and to say to the nation theyve spectacularly failed to make sure we stop this. You say it is madness. People that voted to leave might find that really offensive. You are doubting what they believe, what they want. I want to represent my nation who voted overwhelmingly to remain with the eu and i insist that voice is listen to. This has been disrespected through this process for not one constituency in scotland who voted to leave and the thought of actually leaving without a deal isa of actually leaving without a deal is a disaster, i think its totally unacceptable. I was listening to mark through this campaign, take back control, thats a place which are taken back control and all they are taken back control and all they are trying to do now is suspend democracy in order to get the no deal through and its totally unacceptable. If this is about anything is about mps deciding on behalf of their constituents and i will represent mine, and i will represent my nation to ensure this madness stops. On the record, Boris Johnson has said conflicting things about his position on the eu. And his position we were hearing from Stephen Kinnock was not in the run up to the referendum that it would be about leaving with no deal. Might he end up actually not being the Prime Minister that you think might decide the best thing for the country is not to leave with no deal . No, im absolutely confident we will leave for them to be clear, no deal is not the desired end state. The desired end state is a comprehensive Free Trade Agreement so comprehensive Free Trade Agreement so that we can trade with our eu partners to our mutual economic advantage with a low or no tariffs at all fourth and thats when you wa nt at all fourth and thats when you want to land this and we want to begin those negotiations now. We do. But if we havent managed to do that by the 31st of october, which would be ambitious, then we are prepared to leave on wto terms on the 31st of october to honour the promise and then get a free trade deal as soon as we can do so, in summary, no deal is better than a bad deal but a free trade deal is better than both. Thank you both very much and weve got much more analysis from westminster throughout the morning. Iam here westminster throughout the morning. I am here until 11 oclock with lots more guestsjoining me. For now lets go to simon king for the weather. Its gorgeous, boiling hot. Yes, hot and humid weather. Its gorgeous, boiling hot. Yes, hotand humid here, joanna. All that heat and humidity created some really big storms last night. You may have been kept awake from the storms as they moved northwards and eastwards and up to this morning weve had about 50,000 lightning strikes across the uk as they move further north and east. That comes after yesterday of the warmestjuly day forjersey, 36 celsius recorded there, a new record. More records will be broken over the next few days. More heat in the forecast. This morning, some showers across scotland, thundery in the far north. They will clear away. A legacy of cloud up in scotland, Northern Ireland, a few showers. Elsewhere, sunshine developing and temperature is not quite as high as yesterday. A little bit fresher, particularly in the north and west, but still up to 32 down into the south east of england. Tonight, those showers will continue across scotland and Northern Ireland. Lots of clear skies, though, into tomorrow morning. Not quite as sticky as last night. Temperatures down to 13 16. But thursday we are expecting some very high temperatures, incredible temperatures really, a southerly wind, low to the west, high of ease, drawing on the hot air building across france, the low countries, and it will spread its way into the uk particularly across eastern areas. Lots of sunshine on thursday, the potential for a few showers across western areas, they could be thundery, but temperatures will be higher tomorrow. Up into the high 20s for northern areas, widely for england and wales come into the 30s but in the south east of england, the london area, we are expecting 39 degrees, that is significant because not only will it smash the ukjuly record, it could well surpass the all time record of 38. 5 celsius which was set back in 2003. Going into friday, this cold front in the west is moving east. That will introduce something fresher, so if the heat isnt your thing, friday we will see those temperatures, 21 23, still quite warm in london, 27, but significantly fresher compared to thursday and into the weekend it will be cooler for all of us and there will be some heavy rain in the forecast, particularly towards northern and eastern parts of the uk. But some pretty incredible temperatures on the way for thursday. Stay tuned to the forecast. Its ten oclock on the day that borisjohnson, former foreign secretary, former mayor of london, is to be confirmed as the countrys new Prime Minister. This is the scene in downing street right now. Theresa may is expected to leave in the next few minutes to head to parliament where she will face mps in herfinal Prime Ministers questions at midday then will go to see the queen in the early afternoon. A few minutes later, borisjohnson will make the same trip to Buckingham Palace and is expected to start naming his cabinet in the late afternoon. Speaking to this programme, the childrens minister, nadhim zahawi, told us he believes Boris Johnson can build a cabinet that will deliver brexit by october, even if that means a no deal. I have had no conversation with my friend boris, but he will have to decide who is his team, but i will guarantee you right now that they will start work immediately, he said it yesterday, the work begins now, his whole team will be working through the whole summer to make sure we are ready to leave on the 31st of october, which i am optimistic will be with a deal. The snp say they want a no confidence motion in the new Prime Minister to be tabled as soon as possible to prevent a no deal. This is a man who has been elected on the backs of a curious 160,000 electorate of the conservative party, never has one so unprepared of being able to run a country been elected on the back of so few, so we wa nt elected on the back of so few, so we want an opportunity for the people of the country to have a verdict on borisjohnson. Key to whether Boris Johnson succeeds or fails will be the team he picks, and we should start getting details throughout the afternoon. Right now, lets catch up on all the latest developments with lu kwesa in on all the latest developments with lukwesa in the studio. Boris johnson will take over from theresa may as Prime Minister today after winning the conservative leadership race. The new tory leader will enter downing street this afternoon following an audience with the queen at Buckingham Palace. He is expected to announce some senior cabinet posts. His allies say hell form a cabinet for modern britain with more women and ministers from ethnic minorities. My colleague Annita Mcveigh is in downing street. All eyes on the door behind you, annita. Absolutely, lukwesa, and keeping a close eye on all the comings and goings, the choreography of the handover of power after this long goodbye from theresa may, who tried, tried and tried again to get her withdrawal deal through parliament but did not manage it, borisjohnson says he is the person to change that. Much of the town in these early days of him being Prime Minister will be set by who he appoints, the people he puts around him, notjust in cabinet but other appointments. One of the most eye catching appointments that we are expecting to hear about is the director of voet leave, dominic cummings, asa director of voet leave, dominic cummings, as a Senior Adviser to the incoming Prime Minister. This is going to delight many brexiteers, but for those mps who want to stop brexit, or those who are determined that the uk should only leave with a deal, that will probably put them on an even higher state of alert than they are already. It suggests Boris Johnson is going all in with that Campaign Promise to deliver brexit. But with that deadline less than 100 days away, it certainly suggests we are infora days away, it certainly suggests we are in for a very fraught few months in politics. Annita, thank you. Brexit Party Leader Nigel farage says hes open to an electoral pact with borisjohnson, but only if he is serious about his commitment to the october 31st deadline for leaving the eu. Borisjohnson has ruled out a deal with mr farage and stressed he does not want an early election. But mr farage said an election would be required to ensure brexit can be delivered on time and if his party and the tories agreed an alliance, they could smash the labour party. The operator of a british flagged oil tanker has made contact with the 23 crew members for the First Time Since the ship was captured by iran in the strait of hormuz last week. A spokesman for the swedish based tanking operator stena bulk said the crew was safe with good cooperation with the iranian personnel onboard. The detainment of the stena impero comes amid tensions between the uk and iran, just weeks after britain helped seize a tanker carrying iranian oil off gibraltar. Police are searching for three people who have gone missing in the river thames. The metropolitan police said a swimmer went missing at shadwell basin on tuesday evening, a second at waterloo bridge, and a third near kingston high street. The met office has recorded temperatures in excess of 30 degrees celsius in england, and its expected to be even warmer today. Previous highs could be surpassed in the uk before the end of the week. Overnight, there were thunderstorms in some areas. Elsewhere, parts of europe have already seen record breaking temperatures immediate improvements are being ordered at a Young Offenders institution in west london. The move comes after a report found there had been a collapse in standards of care and safety at feltham. The site holds more than 100 boys aged between 15 and 18. A twitter account purportedly from a championship footballer who intended to come out as gay has been deleted. The account, which began this month, was followed by almost 50,000 people. Its first tweet claimed the account holder was a professional footballer who had come out to his family and would reveal his identity soon. But a day before the supposed announcement, the account tweeted, i thought i was stronger, i was wrong, before being deleted. That is some of the other news stories taking place today, back to joanna now. We are expecting to hear news of key cabinet appointments later today. Those said to be in the frame include home secretary sajid javid, former brexit secretary dominic raab, and liz truss, mr hammonds Current Deputy at the treasury. Priti patel could return to the cabinet less than two years after resigning as International Development secretary over a row over unauthorised meetings with israeli officials. And sports minister tracey crouch, who quit last year in a dispute with the treasury over fixed odds betting terminals, could also be in line for a recall. Among those tipped for promotion are housing minister alok sharma and local government minister rishi sunak. And one of those who might be expecting a job is the housing minister james brokenshire, who backed mrjohnson from the get go. Hes with us now. Welcome, thank you, have you had conversations about your future job . No, today the focus is on Prime Ministers questions and then obviously Boris Johnson ministers questions and then obviously borisjohnson being formally our Prime Minister, and that will take place later, and they will no doubt be lots of speculation, as we have seen in the newspapers, but that is the process, the Prime Minister now forming a new government, which i am sure will be broadly based, that we are seeking to unify our party and country, delivering brexit, getting on with all of those domestic priorities. The language coming out is that he wa nted the language coming out is that he wanted to be broadly and unifying, and the announcement yesterday of mark spencer as chief whip, a remainer, sent out a signal, but at the same time we have remainer ministers were leaving en masse, forming a Strong Alliance on the backbenches, because they do not agree with borisjohnson, so how can he have a broad church with that reality . When you look at all of the people involved they want to see a deal with the European Union and leaving with that that does unify the party, that unifies the country on what people voted for, so when people actually look at what Boris Johnson has been saying, that sense of going to europe, being able to secure an agreement, getting this done by the 31st of october, actually, without focus and intent, it does bring people together, and a strong sense i have got is the sense of people wanting to give boris a chance, that opportunity to do what he needs to do for the country. He has set brexit by the 31st of october, do or die, and there are people in your party who say no way is not something i can endorse and i will do everything to stop it happening. They have been saying they dont want to see a no deal, but i think we have to ensure that we are prepared, ready to do that, that we can do that, to get the best possible deal. Oh you are saying he is in the same position as theresa may, she kept saying that we have to let them believe we want no deal, but ultimately it didnt happen is that what is going to happen . No, boris has been very clear that we are leaving the eu on the 31st of october, in his words, come hell or high water, in the sense that we have to provide uncertainty, because it has been this instability, this position we have been in for so many months, and sadly we have not been able to secure the agreement to leave. But we need to be ready for that. I think that is what boris brings, that new energy, that optimism, being positive about what the future may bring, but equally knowing that we must leave to get on with the domestic priorities. Making that happen but wanting to do it with a deal, being prepared if that is not possible. The Lithuania European Commission it is a functioning democracy demands discussion, using whatever means to win political battles does not fit the bill, Boris Johnson win political battles does not fit the bill, borisjohnson is the example of this in action, she promises, blatantly inaccurate state m e nts promises, blatantly inaccurate statements on eu food safety standards, the business about the kippers, i cant think of a better golden standard and the ussr in terms of fact distortion and reality falsification. That is our new Prime Minister he is talking about. People need to see borisjohnson as our Prime Minister, gave him the opportunity where he has, i think, shown very clearly that he wants to reach out, wants to get that agreement, which is in the interests of the eu and the uk. And therefore, yes, going out to set out that we need to leave by the 31st of october, but wanting to do it with the spirit of partnership and how we can achieve that together, approaching those discussions with european leaders and partners with that firm intent. If that is really his intent, is he going to have to have members of his cabinet who are not signed up to a no deal brexit . Borisjohnson said that, as Prime Minister, he would want people to be clear that we are leaving on the 31st of october with or without a deal, and it is that certainty that we have to bring to this. So inclusive as long as you agree with us . It is rather to say that we are leaving on that date, and that is the point at issue here. Sadly, we have been in this period for many months where we have not been able to achieve that, the instability, the insecurity, i think the lack of attention that we have been able to bring because of the band with brexit, that is where we need to make this happen, to get on with the domestic priorities, police, education, trade, playing our part around the globe, and indeed on our nhs too. That is what allows us to deliver, which is why boris is right to say we have to get that stability and certainty, and that means leaving on the 31st of october. What about Nigel Farages suggestion of a general election, a pact with the brexit party, you could sew it up . |j think you would expect somebody like nigel farage to say that, his interests are the brexit party. But if you think the National Interest is to get brexit by the 31st of october and Parliament May well not deliver that, then there is a solution if you think that is right for the country. We have been very clear on the ability to get a deal that commands the support in brussels, but also here in parliament. I think that can be done, that is where the focus needs to be, and suggesting you havejust another election, with Everything Else going on, that may suit nigel farage in the brexit party, it does not suit this country, it is about the National Interest, and that is why i am confident borisjohnson will secure a deal. When gordon brown came in without winning a general election, borisjohnson wrote at the time that it is a gigantic fraud, the arrogance, the contempt, that is what gets me he said, in 2005 there was a large number who voted labour on the strength of a dwindling but still significant respect for the Prime Minister, they voted tony, now they get gordon. On his own logic, exactly the same applies now and he should call an election. No, we have had a constitutional settlement for so many is that the Prime Minister can change without a general election. Even though. Ithink the last thing we need at the moment isa the last thing we need at the moment is a general election. We need to provide that sense of leadership, which i believe borisjohnson will provide, that sense of optimism, the positive spirit as to where our country can be in the future. That is where we need to be focused, ensuring we get a deal on the 31st of october, being ready to leave on that date so we can make it happen. Is that an example of him saying one thing and doing another . There are other examples around leaving the eu, when he was writing various things, indicating that it wasnt right to leave with no deal, and now he believes it is. Do you trust he was he believes it is. Do you trust he was he will stick to the cause . have thought carefully in terms of the decision i took, but i believe very strongly that boris is the right person to lead our country, to get that agreement with the eu, to see that we leave and deliver on a bold, ambitious, positive domestic agenda. That is why i think he is the right person at this time to lead our country through the challenges that lie ahead, and i have every confidence that he can unify my party, unify the country, deliver on brexit, and get on with the bold and ambitious plan for our country so that we can be positive and ambitious for the future. This place shuts down after tomorrow. Pretty anti climactic star to a new government. Well, we obviously have some ahead of us, but i am very confident that boris will use that time ahead over the summer to provide those links, forge those connections with european partners, to get on with the work of securing that agreement. But equally, charting out what will be a very ambitious plan for our country, looking at our infrastructure, where thejobs are, where looking at our infrastructure, where the jobs are, where we keep our skills moving forward, investing into the police, ensuring our schools are well supported. I think thatis schools are well supported. I think that is what you will see in the days ahead, as well as strengthening our proud United Kingdom with our union, so actually it will be a very busy few weeks ahead, so therefore no, this is the start and he will move on. You said you have not had conversations about your future job. Do you hope to remain in government . I have really enjoyed the 15 months of having returned to government after having a serious illness, and therefore to be able to have served in the way that i have. Look, i would be delighted to serve, but ultimately that is a decision for the Prime Minister, my focus is on supporting the government, seeing that we deliver on brexit and yet carry on with the policy agenda for our country, serving my constituency in whatever way i can. James brokenshire, thank you very much. Brexit has claimed the careers of the last two conservative Prime Ministers. And with theresa may, for all her talk about wanting to address the uks social problems when she took the job, trying to navigate our way out of the eu in the end swallowed up Everything Else. So will borisjohnson manage to be different . In a moment, well ask what he might want to achieve beyond brexit and how he might go about it. But first lets take a look at what else is waiting in his in tray when he moves into number ten. There is one massive sheet of blank paper in borisjohnsons in tray. The success of his whole premiership may well be judged on whether we stay or go by the end of october. But there are other problems in the country that need sorting out. Like social care a green paper on how we pay for nursing in our old age has been repeatedly delayed. There is now talk of a new state backed Insurance Scheme to ensure people to save for better care from their 40s. There is education and possible new rules to end the funding gap between schools in different parts of the country. Overall spending per pupil in england has fallen 8 since 2010. Then there is housing, policing, and the economy. Some think we are seeing the early signs of a slowdown or even a possible recession. Borisjohnson has pledged tax cuts for higher earners, but its hard to see that policy getting through parliament. Longer term, hell have to make controversial decisions on a new runway for heathrow, on the future of the hs2 rail link, and of course theres always the possibility of an early general election. Though the polls out at the moment suggest neither the conservatives or labour can feel confident about winning any sort of majority. We can speak now to harriett baldwin, a Foreign Office minister who backed jeremy hunt for leader. Kulveer ranger, an adviser to Boris Johnson while he was mayor of london. And Justine Greening, former cabinet minister and conservative mp for putney. Welcome, all of you, thanks for coming. I will start with you, you we re coming. I will start with you, you were an adviser to borisjohnson when he was london mayor, and he has said again and again that what he did as mayor shows why he should be Prime Minister. It has been said that when you sit down with the reality of being Prime Minister, it isa reality of being Prime Minister, it is a head spinner, a shock. It is, and it was likewise when boris walked into city hall. The untold challenge there is that boris walked into an institution that had been built by the previous mayor, and it never changed political hue, so a real challenge to get the machinery of london to work with a conservative mayor. But there were plenty of other challenges, he faced a financial crisis, the london boroughs had a funding issue, tfl had a black hole, and there was an issue with knife crime even then. All of those things were immediately in his injury, and we had to get a grip pretty fast to what we had to do to get things right, which i think followed. Justine greening, the main thing in the intro, brexit, without tight deadline, does not drown Everything Else out, or will there be space for anything else . he can break the brexit logjam, it gives a much wider space for britain to debate all the other thing is that all of us care about, social mobility, housing, environment, everything. But if you cant, and if we can back up the summer recess without a substantially different deal in parliament remains gridlocked, we will end up with the same situation we have had over the past 12 months, which is disastrous, britain going nowhere, Parliament Stuck on brexit, the british people feeling like the rest of their lives are going on but parliament is not rising to the challenge. When you say, if he resolves it, we move on, doing a deal over the summer, what about a no deal brexit . Does life just then continue . Make no mistake, going ahead with brexit is a long term, probably minimum decade long project that will require a huge amount of government. Iam require a huge amount of government. I am talking about the fact that parliament has little space to debate anything else whilst we try and find a route macro through brexit, and what borisjohnson needs to do, i think tomorrow, is come to parliament, engage with mps, and start to really show the kind of leadership that i think we need in order to break the brexit logjam. What he shouldnt do is make the mistake that, unfortunately, theresa may made, which was to ignore the parliamentary maths. Boris needs to confront that and find a compromise, if you like, that can get through, and for me there is a compromise that can work it is bringing back a deal but saying not only will parliament have a chance to vote on it, the people well, and i think if he is prepared and willing and able to do that, i think we can have a decision on brexit, and that is what people need. This is supposed to be a conversation about matters away from brexit, but inevitably Everything Else just kind of feels like hotairat Everything Else just kind of feels like hot air at the moment, as long as there is theirs to grapple with, what you think he should do . as there is theirs to grapple with, what you think he should do . I think it will be the main media story, of course it is, but under the surface theresa may did a lot of work on funding for the theresa may did a lot of work on funding forthe nhs, climate theresa may did a lot of work on funding for the nhs, Climate Change action that she has taken, the uk hosting the next cop, they work in terms of defence and Foreign Affairs, that should continue. There has been a lot of talk about her defining some sort of legacy, and borisjohnson will not be looking backwards put forward, and in the centre is brexit. The media focus will rightly be on that, and the new Prime Ministers focus will be on that, 100 days to the deadline, but in the leadership campaign, which i think the conservatives and Brandon Lewis deserve credit for running a fantastic leadership campaign, lots of excellent undies and strong candidates, focusing on policing, is a london mp macro, justine, will agree that it is crucial that we follow through in terms of the investment in police, because the british people are asking, particularly in london for more action on that. That will be the sort of thing that can happen with the team that he puts around him. As harriet is saying, kulveer, lots of ideas that he has spoken about on the campaign trail, the extra police, increasing the starting point for National Insurance contributions, more money for education, free tv licences for over 75 is, raising the level at which stamp duty is levelled, broadband you have spoken about that is a lot of money. Is he good at sums . It sounds like a magic money tree, that was all said during the campaign, where is the money going to come from . It is, but he has done this before. We were faced with huge budget challenges in london when we came in in 2008, and people said, you cant deliver the services and not raise the precept. We did not raise the precept, we found the efficiencies, we continue to deliver the services. But for this level of spending . It is on another scale. Boris will set out a vision, yes, the malaise of brexit, three years of frustration, we have to get past that, but he is setting out a post brexit agenda of security, safety, investment, jobs, technology, and that is his vision, and now he will get the right people, a strong team around him to buy into that vision to deliver it. That is what he is saying, he has got to unify notjust that is what he is saying, he has got to unify not just the conservative party, which is his first objective, as well as brexit, but also the country behind a positive agenda. Back in boris is a bad back in britain, and we havent had enough of that for a while, and i think people want to hear that. He has been saying it is all about optimism for some time. Justine greening, would you serve under him . I would love to serve my country, but both boris and i recognise that land my but both boris and l recognise that land my community have a very different view on brexit, and l believe in cabinet collective responsibility, so saving my local community and country comes ahead of having a career in his government, andl having a career in his government, and i will continue to serve my community from the backbenches. So would you potentially be in the cross party would you potentially be in the Cross Party Group that are willing to do anything to stop a no deal brexit . Many conservative mps are deeply concerned about the prospect ofa deeply concerned about the prospect of a no deal brexit. It is the most profoundly and conservative policy that i profoundly and conservative policy that l have ever come across, it leads to higher unemployment. Profoundly unconservative. Are you fundamentally think it is wrong, would you vote against it in a no confidence vote . Would you vote against it in a noconfidence vote . I dont think britain needs a general election, and it would certainly be bonkers for boris to decide to pursue a general election route instead of a popular vote in the form of a referendum. So you want a referendum, but we have been around that, it doesnt look like that will happen, so if the only way to stop no deal is to vote against Boris Johnson, would you do it . no deal is to vote against Boris Johnson, would you do it . I dont think it would come to that. But would you do it . I genuinely dont think it would come to that, because it is inconceivable that parliament will not find a way to stop no deal brexit. We have a parliamentary democracy, we take the decisions as mps, andl democracy, we take the decisions as mps, and i also find it inconceivable that a Boris Johnson government, any government, could wilfully override the wishes of elected members of parliament representing their communities. That isa representing their communities. That is a really profound constitutional challenge for britain, so it would go far wider than challenge for britain, so it would go farwiderthan an challenge for britain, so it would go far wider than an issue of no deal at that point, and that is why i dont expect us to reach it. Do you believe brexit can be stopped by whatever mechanism is Justine Greening is talking about, or anyone else, whether it is tabling legislation. . Else, whether it is tabling legislation. . Ultimately it could be supported by an mp likeJustine Greening or others, a vote of no confidence, confidence, will something happen . no confidence, confidence, will something happen . I certainly will not do it, it is important that we deliver it for the british people, and for me, my redline, completely different from justines, l and for me, my redline, completely different from justines, i could never vote for a second referendum. We have asked the british people once, we need to deliver the outcome of that, and l have a different angle on this than justine. of that, and l have a different angle on this than justine. I am delighted to finally see a man who could get thejob delighted to finally see a man who could get the job done, delighted to finally see a man who could get thejob done, this correspondence is, a great day for the nation. Darren, more of the hope for the best but nothing but arrogant disdain if they are wrong, no one has faith in politicians, lets hear the marvellous plan. A huge welcome to borisjohnson is another anonymous text, we can close down all the hateful rhetoric and shenanigans of those who were determined to deny us. Thank you very much forjoining us and your comments at home, thank you for coming in. Borisjohnson has long been a favourite of tory Party Members, drawing huge crowds for his speeches at the partys annual conferences. But in years gone by it was another blonde conservative who it was said knew how to reach parts of the grassroots others could not. Michael heseltine held numerous cabinet jobs and was deputy Prime Minister until 1997. First, Ann Widdecombe joins us on the line, a very high profile former conservative mp and government minister, currently a brexit mep. Welcome, Ann Widdecombe, thank you for joining welcome, Ann Widdecombe, thank you forjoining us. Thank you, yes, good morning. Good morning. So the leader of the brexit party, nigel farage, has suggested there should be an electoral pact with your former party, the conservatives, have a general election, get together and deliver a no deal brexit. I presume you think that is a good idea too . What nigel farage is saying is, if it comes to a general election, then obviously of what is wanted is brexit, then those who want brexit should consider cooperation, but i might also point out that an awful lot of labour voters want to brexit and look to the brexit party to deliver that, and as we are the party at the moment that is commanding huge support from the popular vote, i think that obviously what we are saying should be taken into consideration. But at the moment, forget general elections, what we want at the moment is brexit, and we have been promised by these new incoming Prime Minister that we are going to get that on october the 31st. Well, i am not convinced, but i am prepared to wait and see. Would you return to the conservative party . It sounds is not a difference between what you want and whats being offered by the former party . The tremendous is being prepared to leave without a deal if we have to do and actually focusing on getting brexit. Our party has been talking about brexit, never mind Boris Johnson, its been talking about brexit for the last three years and its been miserably failing to deliver. And the same thing as true of the labour party. Goodness knows what they stand this on brexit, changes from one day to the next. What nigel farage is offering is a very clear vision. We want to be free of the eu, three of their laws, free of the eu, three of their laws, free to make our own trade deals, three of their border controls, that is what we want. That is the vision. Now, if boris can get that on october the 31st, we will cheer, but, like i say, three years and it hasnt been achieved. The imf said no deal brexit ranks alongside us trade policy as one of the chief threats to the world economy. Do you have qualms about the impact, job losses, impact on economic growth, potentially talk of a recession in this country next year in the event of there being a no deal brexit . This country next year in the event of there being a Nodeal Brexit . We have all heard it all before. We heard that that was what was going to happen if we so much as voted to leave the eu. Thats what we were told was going to happen. We were going to have high unemployment, but its fallen, there was going to have to be more austerity, and austerity has been relaxed, we were told that taxes would have to go up, we were told the world was going to virtually come to an end and it didnt happen and the very same people who were holding out all that gloomy prognosis than are the same people who are now saying we cant leave without a deal. Nobody is saying its an ideal situation, but it will not be the disaster that desperate remainers are trying to portray. Ann widdecombe, thank you very much. With me as a form and adapt in need of the conservatives, michael heseltine. After the Eu Referendum result, lord heseltine said borisjohnson referendum result, lord heseltine said Boris Johnson had referendum result, lord heseltine said borisjohnson had torn the conservative party apart. Welcome. You presumably no longer think, i dont know if you have a thought, but you seem to be the heineken politician, the politician who could reach parts others could not, how do you see him . That is one of the enigmas of boris. He undoubtedly has the quality to extend a reach beyond the quality to extend a reach beyond the conservative party. And that explains his remarkable achievement in winning two mayoral elections in london, not a tory constituency. Boris won it twice, and thats where the reputation came from. There is no doubt in the referendum campaign, he had a very similar sort of effect, probably influencing the result. About all of this is part of the make up of boris. There are problems on the other side. If you look today, the conservative party in the polls, there were frightening indications how much support upon the party has lost. Can he build it 7 the party has lost. Can he build it up . Iwould the party has lost. Can he build it up . I would be surprised if he can as long as the differences on brexit come to pass. You didnt vote for him orjeremy hunt. I would not vote for anyone who threatens to make this country poorer. What hasjust happened with this election campaign, 0. 13 of the country have voted for the new Prime Minister. There was a very limited group of people who had the privilege of being able to vote for the new Prime Minister and the turnout was 87 . You might think its a self selecting group of people with interest in politics, everyone would have exercised their vote, you didnt. What do you think is going on here . You are quite right but nor did 18,000 others and i think thats a very interesting question. Who are they . Why didnt they . Is it because they . Why didnt they . Is it because they will not vote for a conservative leader who threatens brexit . That is my guess. I dont know your experience, brexit . That is my guess. I dont know ourex erience oure brexit . That is my guess. I dont know your experience, youre not in a position to express it either, but wherever i go i meet conservatives who say we could never vote for a brexit conservative leader. And the Public Opinion polls are beginning to reflect that. The European Election results reflected, so i think there are real problems particularly in the idea of early elections. I dont myself see about producing any overall majority in the foreseeable future. What do you think will happen . We are in a position where we got a Prime Minister who said brexit do or die, by the 31st of october. At the same time saying no deal brexit, the chances are that are a million to one. Do you think we will end up leaving . I think the odds are in favour. But then, by no means certain any more. I think there is a high chance we wont leave. I think theres two ways that could be determined. A second referendum, which today is possible might lead toa which today is possible might lead to a reversal of article 50. The second is a general election which i think would simply perpetuate for the foreseeable future the instability in that place over the road where there is no majority and there is no prospect. In the evidence of the electoral polling there is no prospect of a majority. Politics can feel like a confusing place when you have mps who have said they believe one thing and then com pletely said they believe one thing and then completely change what they believe. A p pa re ntly completely change what they believe. Apparently remainers have switched to becoming leave us, becoming no deal brexiteers. What is your view of that . Im afraid you are seeing human nature at its most fragile. In this debate. What are the ultimate loyalties . This debate. What are the ultimate loyalties . Well, i believe they are to your country, some think they are to your country, some think they are to your country, some think they are to your party, others take a narrow view about their own careers. You can only observe and make judgments about that. But i think that was theresa may mag was fundamental in doing, having campaigned to remain, she then told us weve got to leave. I thinkjeremy hunt suffered from the same problem. I would certainly have voted forjeremy hunt if he hadnt abandoned what he patiently believes to be in the National Interest. We should ping off the guy ropes of negativity and self doubt. Borisjohnson talks optimistically. Are we to negative . Do we not believe in ourselves . are we to negative . Do we not believe in ourselves . I have many hats, one of them as a businessman, and when i read things like that, i say now what does that mean for my business . Its what all other businessmen think. As itsjust waffle, hot air, businessmen think. As itsjust waffle, hotair, it businessmen think. As itsjust waffle, hot air, it doesnt give me any indication at all about what i should do about investment. If you look at british industry today, it stopped investing. There is a cloud of uncertainty which will not go away until we resolve the brexit issue. If you were a foreign investor trying to decide where to investor trying to decide where to invest in the European Market, would you come to britain today without knowing whether they are in or out of the European Market . Of course you wouldnt. The city today are moving jobs, one after the other, ten, 100 more come into the european Single Market, because the city of london is the european Single Market headquarters, not london, and we are now consistently undermining it. Its no use saying we are going to throw off the shackles, the shackles are those of brexit. We were the Fastest Growing European Market until brexit. Is it fitting that the person now in charge is somebody who was one of the key figures in brexit, heard again and again if we we re brexit, heard again and again if we were in charge it would have been different. Now Boris Johnson, were in charge it would have been different. Now borisjohnson, who was an architect of gutting it out, is in charge and let see what happens . They try that trick. Who did theresa may put in charge . Three of the most vehement brexiteers in charge. The foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, brexit minister, david davies, international trade, to get a trade deal, liam fox. They were in charge for Something Like 18 months, and what did they achieve . You only have to ask the question to know there is no answer. They did not achieve anything. Would you like to see remainers in his cabinet . think borisjohnson would be wise to balance his budget, his cabinet, rather, thats that traditional way in which tory leaders have sought to unite the party. So i strongly believe he should represent all strands of opinion. But his problem of courses later today significant numbers of cabinet ministers are likely to resign. So i read in the press. So talking about uniting the party as a team of his ministers walk out to the bank ventures, its waffle. Backbenchers. Walk out to the bank ventures, its waffle. Backbenchers. Are you plugged in, having conversations with people like Philip Hammond . Im not having conversations with Philip Hammond. Im certainly not having any conversations on the subject with him. I have a respect for journalists who tend to know whats going on. The last few days has been one list after another of cabinet ministers who come in a matter of hours from now, will resign. We talk about the conservatives being torn apart. The conflict over europe. Four years. The referendum as supposed to end up but now we will potentially see a powerful group of former remain a gathering on the backbenches in a camp of opposition to the conservative Prime Minister. I hope so, yes, ithink to the conservative Prime Minister. I hope so, yes, i think thats whats going to happen. What do you hope will happen . I hope they will stop brexit. The vote against the government in a vote of no confidence . You have to make up your mind about the priorities. And without the slightest doubt, the overriding priority is for britain to remain at the heart of europe and the heart of its economy, its strategic activities, its social agenda, peace loving agenda, its democratic agenda, we have to be there. Throughout history weve a lwa ys there. Throughout history weve always been there. Usually conducting more one way or another. What youre talking about potentially is an incredibly short lived premiership, less than three months. It could be. Im not forecasting it, but anything is possible. The hardest question for you and me on any of these programmes when people say whats going to happen, none of us know and frankly what has happened over the last few months you couldnt have made it up. Not even in the cricket. Its so unpredictable and can the last moment. Lord heseltine, thank you very much. Lets take a look at whats happening in downing street. Theresa may is expected to leave number ten any minute now. She will make her way here, a short distance away as she goes for her last Prime Ministers questions. She will leave the steps of downing street on this incredibly hot sunny day and obviously she will walk away from power and Boris Johnson, obviously she will walk away from power and borisjohnson, the incoming leader, will be moving in and after Prime Ministers questions later, is expected to reveal details of who his new cabinet will be. Loads of you getting in touch with your thoughts on politics right now. One anonymous text message, im delighted to see a man who can get a job done, great day for our nation. Just going to find some more of your comments i havent read before. Rees on e mail, how a man who was sacked twice showed superhuman incompetence as foreign secretary and was mediocre at best as london mayor as the new Prime Minister is beyond me. He will either be a revelation or a com plete he will either be a revelation or a complete shambles. Wendy on e mail, im chuffed to bits, he will give the eu a kick up the plans and get away from the dictatorship and put our Country First because theresa may had no intention of getting us out. She told us what we wanted to hear. And one e mail, people said churchill was a disaster and he was one of the best we had. Martin on i e mail, hope the new Prime Minister will not forget the very large number of conservatives who will fight, fight and fight again for the european project. We will not go away. Kevin on e mail, if anyone could remind me of a time optimism sorted out a complex situation, the eu have closed the gates on any negotiations. We have zero on average are nothing to bluff. Ifeel for the Civil Servants across whitehall trying to make all the plans to keep the country above all the nonsense spouted from mps of all side and the incoherent arguments 100 days for nothing to change. No chance of a negotiation, and the awful no deal to come. We will keep an eye on downing street and will go there as soon as theresa may leaves. Boris johnson has been a journalist, tv personality and politician in public life for the last 20 years. But how well do we know him . Politicians, as far as i can work out, are pretty incompetent and then have a veneer of competence. You do seem to do it the other way round. Yes. You cant rule out the possibility of beneath the elaborately constructed veneer of a blithering idiot there lurks a blithering idiot. Were going to speak now to some people who do know him well. Toby young went to Oxford University with him. Alastair burt was a minister at the Foreign Office when borisjohnson was foreign secretary. Welcome both of you. Lots of stories of when he was at university. How well did you know him and what you remember . I didnt know him that well that we were contemporaries and both went up in 1983 and i was involved in the union, where boris eventually became president. I wasnt quite a boris stooge in the oxford union. He had to dojust even in those days . You were kids. Students. He was clearly very ambitious even then. He told his younger sister when they we re eve n told his younger sister when they were even younger that he wanted to be world king and he told someone at eton where he went to school he wa nted eton where he went to school he wanted to be president of the united states, which isnt out of the question because he was born in new york so wanting to be Prime Minister was a scaling down of his ambitions. He is extraordinarily ambitious. So where lots of people at oxford and unlike many of them, didnt seem like a particularly unrealistic ambition because he clearly had such ability and force of personality. His ambition matched his outsized personality. Let sunshine when the day is the message. How do you see it . Is it an optimistic day . day is the message. How do you see it . Is it an optimistic day . I am, i was involved in the League Campaign andi was involved in the League Campaign and i think leaving the eu creates huge opportunities for this country. Im really positive about britains post brexit future. And the factors of the person who has been Prime Minister for the past three years hasnt shared that optimism. I think for all her rhetoric she is regarded brexit as a disaster that has to be managed. I dont think thats boris attitude. He believes in brexit, he campaigned for it and he should have been our prime list of three years ago andi been our prime list of three years ago and i hope he can take up on the optimism and a he injected into that campaign so successfully three years ago. That little clip we just played ago. That little clip we just played a borisjohnson talking tojeremy clarkson, when he said you cant discount the possibility that behind the veneer of a blithering idiot there lies a blithering idiot. What do you think about that . Theres so much said about borisjohnson and where the truth lies in the public and private persona and what he really believes. First and foremost, i dont think really believes. First and foremost, ldont think in any way he is a blathering idiot. The borisjohnson persona is, l blathering idiot. The borisjohnson persona is, ithink, pretty carefully constructed. Boris is very skilful and know what appeals to people. He has been able to build that into something which is attractive to get support for him to be Prime Minister, an extraordinary skill. Theres plenty of people who have boyhood ambitions and never get fulfilled. He has, so theres a lot there. Ajob for him now, though, is to be something hes never been before, and until you walk through the doors of number ten downing st you dont know what sort of Prime Minister youre going to be. And he now has to demonstrate that behind that persona which has got him where it has, winning an election is one thing but governing is quite different. He will have every opportunity to govern well, all the advice he needs, hes got to take advice he needs, hes got to take advice and discount the foolish advice and discount the foolish advice but has got a good job to do but can he do it . Yes, he can. There are examples cited about how he doesnt have a grip on the Foreign Office, from that period, about nasa names are gary radcliffe, who was being held in iran mike naz and nina they were completely denied, and it said to have had an impact on what happened with her. It had a Material Impact on the difficult situation so what you think about this issue around whether he has a mastering of the detail or not . I think we got to be very blunt. Theres been things hes not done as well as it should have done and in Foreign Affairs in particular youve got to know your stuff. Yes, you can give general direction but you do have to understand the detail. I recall a situation where im sitting with David Cameron where he had to make a decision on or not a hostage could be rescued and it meant that you had to take that decision, you could listen to advice, but the advice often comes from Different Directions and you can and cant, so the person in charge has got to be able to have sufficient grasp of the detail to be able to do thatjob. And to be nimble. Looking back, he a p pa re ntly and to be nimble. Looking back, he apparently wrote three different articles about where he would end up sitting on brexit. With different outcomes because that was how he was going to evaluated. My point is i preferjeremy going to evaluated. My point is i prefer jeremy hunt. L going to evaluated. My point is i preferjeremy hunt. I voted for jeremy and people can think about that as they wish. I made a choice. It doesnt no matter. Borisjohnson has won. Hes got all the equipment to do the job, we know that. My hesitation was i wasnt sure in his roles in the past he demonstrated he hadnt used equipment to maximum effect. Now hes got to. In a way, doesnt matter, we can all look back but in two weeks, months, three months, we will know whether he has got what it takes for the job and all this will be interesting background but it wont be relevant as to what is going to do, but to me and many others hes to demonstrate some things that we havent previously seen, but we all know under the bonnet is there. Toby, in two or three months, we will know if he has delivered. Coty potentially be the shortest lived Prime Minister if he doesnt deliver in three months . Microcode he potentially be. George canning served 119 days. Borisjohnson is be. George canning served 119 days. Boris johnson is not 100 be. George canning served 119 days. Borisjohnson is not 100 until the 31st of october. Mark Boris Johnson has got 100. Its unfair to say boris has never demonstrated his skills in an important leadership position before. There have been floors. Thats overlooking his pretty successful tenure as mayor of london where he halved the murder rate, produced an ambitious House Building scheme. A very successful rent to buy scheme, oversaw the barnstorming 2012 london olympics, and. They are achievements which is very proud of, but that wasnt him lined up against 27 countries saying we have done a deal and thats it. We are not budging. And those countries having a strong incentive not to budge, which is that in the future if they do, other people negotiating will think they will bend. The reason Michel Barnier has not budged on the backstop Michel Barnier has not budged on the ba cksto p to Michel Barnier has not budged on the backstop to date is because they dont want to be seen to be siding with a country who is leaving the eu over a country remaining. Ireland. Leo varadkar has been the blockage when it comes to doing anything about the backstop. Leo varadkar is showing signs of more flexibility. The deputy Prime Minister of ireland wrote a piece on the sunday times this sunday making consolatory noises and i think it dawned on leo varadkar no dealer will be as damaging if not more damaging for the Irish Economy as it would be for the Irish Economy as it would be for the uk economy and i dont want to be seen to be causing that by his implanted and is on the backstop, so i think theres room for further negotiations. Thank you both very much. We will bring you some more comments coming in from you while we look at number ten because we are expecting theresa may to leave their any moment. Terry, welcome Boris Johnson, now deliver brexit for us and do use the no deal as our ace card. Mrs may was a remain and never mentioned our ace card in negotiations. She did not want the uk to leave the treacherous eu. On twitter, Boris Johnson uk to leave the treacherous eu. On twitter, borisjohnson is not a good mayor of london, wasting hundreds of millions on vanity projects and bad decisions and cant be trusted with the countrys bank book. Jackie on facebook, its going to be different to what we had in decades, so i will reservejudgment. We to what we had in decades, so i will reserve judgment. We need to what we had in decades, so i will reservejudgment. We need Something Different because what happened recently hasnt worked and its make or break and you never know, we can live in hope. London liked him so we might surprise us. Anonymous, justin greening talk about a potential crisis constitutionally for britain but ignoring the fact this has already a code of mps have ignored the will of the people, the people employ mps are not the other way around. Joe on tax, we need a general election so the people can say who they want to be Prime Minister and when the new minister should not have decided. The sooner the general election, the better. We are joined the general election, the better. We arejoined now here by three journalists. Matthew parris. Matthew parris. Matthew parris, lazy and trustworthy, do nothing. Thats our Prime Minister youre talking about. And broadcaster, journalist and prominent brexit supporter Julia Hartley brewer. I think it will be gone before a year. Probably shortly after october the 31st, when presumably weve either crashed out a deal which will be disastrous, or his enemies will have called a vote of no confidence which we will have lost or he is called an election. You think we could have no deal by 31st october . We could leave without a deal now, any time we like, and i dont think hes going to get a deal. The conclusion is inescapable. Sherrell jacobs, youre not giving him much time either. He will either deliver by the 31st of october or be gone by christmas . Yes, either we have brexit by october the 31st of all we have a complete collapse in the tory heartlands of support for the tory party which will trigger pragmatism on the part of mps defecting to the brexit party because they will be scared of losing their seats frankly. Weve only got a working majority of three seats now, so yes we are looking at a general election. Its far better for boris to call a general election now, roll the dice, before brexit betrayal post october the 31st. Absolutely, i think going to a general election before delivering brexit, the third Prime Minister of the conservative party not to deliver brexit in three years would be unthinkable. Im also wa ry years would be unthinkable. Im also wary but for Different Reasons about a borisjohnson wary but for Different Reasons about a Boris Johnson premiership. Wary but for Different Reasons about a borisjohnson premiership. Ive never drank the Boris Johnson kool aid. Its long before he became a divisive character. During the Vote Leave Campaign. Some of the appointments we are hearing about at numberten, are very appointments we are hearing about at number ten, are very encouraging. Donna cummings, the brain behind the Vote Leave Campaign and others who are coming on board for this new government, its looking very hopeful theres going to be the thinking process behind delivering a proper brexit and i think for brexiteers like me it is more encouraging than just having brexiteers like me it is more encouraging thanjust having Boris Johnson there. Matthew parris thinks he can deliver a no deal brexit isnt the reality of the political situation that actually there was no guarantee . There is no guarantee but the default legal position is that we have a brexit, no deal brexit which defaults on october 31. Theresa may could have done that on march the 29th and chose not to. This is now about the will rather than the way. If there is a will automatically away. A way for the mps to say they will block a new deal. Yes, there is, and that would be ones hesitation in predicting he will deliver no deal and im not sure about this taking control of the parliamentary timetable and all that stuff. Theyve done it before. Yes but theres not much time left to do it and it isnt clear what its consequences would be. The only way now was a vote of no confidence and if it appears that we are heading for the cliff, i think he might lose a vote of no confidence in the house of commons. Thats what he has got to fear most. I think it would be a strategic error for him to call a unity strategic error for him to call a u nity style strategic error for him to call a unity style cabinet this afternoon. I think it is a myth you try and neutralise the remainers through community. They are irreconcilable. You could call their bluff. I think he will attempt to bring in some remainers into his cabinet. That is my suspicion. They will have to sign up my suspicion. They will have to sign up to no deal brexit. My suspicion. They will have to sign up to Nodeal Brexit. Exactly. What aboutjeremy hunt . How important a figure is he . He is holding out we understand, either staying as foreign secretary, home secretary, chancellor. He wont be chancellor. You cant have a remain a chancellor. He is a remain at heart. Thats why most people would agree hes been bachelors foreign secretary than Boris Johnson ever was and it might be good to keep them in that role but i think up to october 31 we need to have brexiteers in the key positions, certainly people absolutely committed, do or die, as Boris Johnson said to talk radio 3 weeks ago, it is brexit on the 31st of october. Jeremy hunt is not convinced. I thinkjeremy hunt is undecided whether he really wants to carry on. In a borisjohnson government. If he was asked to be foreign secretary, he would feel out ofa foreign secretary, he would feel out of a sense of duty, he should. He would have to sign up to this pledge to leave with no deal. He has said he could envisage leaving with no deal. I dont think its possible, his heart would not be in it, which is why with foreign secretary he might carry on but anything else, i think he probably will feel well out of it for a little while. We are seeing a car arriving at number ten to ta ke seeing a car arriving at number ten to take theresa may to the house of commons for her final Prime Ministers questions. What are your thoughts, all of you . Ministers questions. What are your thoughts, all of you . Do you feel sympathy for theresa may . No. I think weve had three wasted years. She made some serious errors calling a general election, her majority, failing to prepare for no deal, one bargaining chip to get a better deal from the eu, sol bargaining chip to get a better deal from the eu, so i think we need to look to the future now. from the eu, so i think we need to look to the future now. I dont feel an inch of sympathy for theresa may. She basically lied to the tory mps when she was elected by them and lied to the public saying no deal was better than a bad deal and changed her mind on that and lied to us all along, got a bad deal, can get through parliament and still try to push for it and was not prepared to push for it and was not prepared to go for a no deal so im prepared to go for a no deal so im prepared to say good riddance. Ive been good enough about her in the past. Now was not the time to be viewed again. We are out of time here. Thank you so much. The drama continues. Back to the studio. Bye bye from me. This is bbc news. Im Annita Mcveigh, live from downing street on the day that borisjohnson becomes the uks Prime Minister. Last night, he celebrated victory in the conservative leadership contest with Party Members. Today, hell enter the doors of number 10 to lead the country. Mrjohnson will meet the queen at Buckingham Palace to get formal permission to form a government. Before that, theresa may will also be at the palace to offer her resignation to her majesty shortly after her final Prime Ministers questions

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