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We talk to the victims minister about the new legisaltion. About the new legislation. If someone hears shouting, or plate smashing, as a number of people did a few weeks ago Boris Johnsons flat. Should people call the police if they are worried for someones safety . I hope you understand i cant comment on an individual case but certainly in terms of generality, its about being a good neighbour, i think. If you hear something going on, if you feel able to perhaps knock on their door and check everythings all right. But of course, if you are worried, do the police. Worried, do call the police. And its 50 years since this historic moment. We have a lift off. Apollo 11 blasted off on itsjourney to the first moon landing. We will speak to a man who was in the control centre for the launch. And helped teach Neil Armstrong and buzz aldrin how to put on their space suits. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. The government is going to introduce the first ever Legal Definition of Domestic Abuse to include economic abuse and controlling and manipulative non physical abuse. They say that will help more victims to come forward. Are they right . Does having it clearly defined help . Would it enocurage you to come forward . You can get in touch anonymously if you prefer. Email and tweet. Although an e mail is more suited to anonymity. Firstjoanna gosling has the news. Scotland recorded 1,187 drug deaths in 2018, according to figures released today. The figures show an increase of 253 deaths on the Previous Year and mark the largest number of drug deaths ever recorded in scotland. Scotland already had the highest number of drugs deaths in any european country. The Scottish Government says a taskforce has been set up to see whether a change of policy is needed. Both candidates to be the uks next Prime Minister have condemned tweets by donald trump in which the president told four congresswomen to go back where they came from. During a head to head debate run by the sun newspaper, jeremy hunt called the remarks totally offensive, while borisjohnson said they were unacceptable. The labour Leaderjeremy Corbyn called the tweets racist, and said the tory leadership candidates cant bring themselves to say so. A new law on Domestic Abuse will begin its passage through parliament today. It contains the first ever Legal Definition of the offence, which includes psychological and Emotional Abuse as well as physical violence. It also proposes a Domestic Abuse commissioner to represent victims and survivors. The man tasked with working out how to improve britains railways says a new, largely independent body should be created to oversee the entire network. Keith williams, the former chief executive of british airways, is due to publish his final recommendations in the autumn. His review follows criticism of the way the franchising model is run. Netflix is to delete a controversial scene depicting a suicide from its popular young adult drama series 13 reasons why. The streaming service said in a tweet that it was following advice from medical experts. The edit has been made as the drama prepares to broadcast its third series. Facebook is introducing a new reporting tool to make it easier to identify and remove fake adverts. Its also donated £3 million to fund a service being launched by citizens advice today to help the victims of online scams. Events are being organised around the world to mark the 50th anniversary of the first humans to land on the moon. 50 years ago today the apollo 11 space craft launched from the Kennedy Space centre in florida. Four days later, Neil Armstrong and buzz aldrin walked on the surface of the moon. That is the summary. Back to you. Millions of people across the country are robbed of the power of speech by illness, injury or lifelong conditions. Rose brown was 12 when she was hit by a drink driver who mounted the pavement, driving into a group of walkers. Two died in the accident and rose lost her ability to speak. Now aged 20, shes studying drama at the National Star college in cheltenham, which has teamed up with rada, the Royal Academy of dramatic art, to create a bespoke digital voice to transform her ability to communicate. Clarejones has the exclusive story. My voice was taken from me because of a hit and run by a drunk driver ten years ago. What do you think of my current voice . Can you tell where in the country i am from and what age i am . It doesnt tell you anything about me, but here i am. Im rose brown. I got a brain injury when i was 12, following a hit and run accident. I cant walk and talk. I communicate using a computer, which i control using a switch and moving my head. Lam amazing. Every voice projects the personality of its speaker. Your voice can identify your gender. Your voice gives an indication of your age. What difference will it make to your life to have your own voice . So that i have my own identity, to be back how i was as much as possible. I think it will show people that i am an individual and that i am friendly and fun. Rose has been given the opportunity to change her voice. She can decide how she wants it to sound and the accent she will have to personalise it for her. Can you remember what your voice was like and can you describe it for me . It was quite feminine and sounds similar to a london accent. How do you feel about your current voice . That voice sounds quite old and i would like a voice that sounds like a 21 year old. You were able to choose your voice. Why did you go for a cockney accent . Because it sounds like me before and i would like to be on eastenders as i want to be an actress. Rose has listened to a database of actors voices and shes picked tash cowley, a graduate of top drama school rada. Im so excited. I cant wait. Theyre about to meet for the first time. Hello. Im tash. So lovely to meet you. How are you doing . You good . Hello. How are you . Very glad you are going to do my voice. Thank you. Youre very welcome. Now tash can start the task of recording her voice. Frog was the strongest dog of the bunch. Im sorry about your amnesia, said the scarecrow. He gave a big hop sideways and stood on his hind legs. Tash is recording around 1,600 phrases that make up the different combinations of sounds for the new voice. Then the recordings will be sent to a company in america, where roses new voice would be created. It utilises all of the sounds that you will naturally make in a certain accent or, you know, bits and pieces. So you go through each of these phrases and record them and it will test for the correct speed, it will test for the correct pronunciation and also for the sound levels. Why did you want to donate your voice to rose . Everyone deserves the right to speak, everyone deserves a voice, and, you know, to have that, to be able to give that to somebody is just amazing. And with roses story, you know, she did have the ability to speak and now doesnt, and ijust sort of thought about what it would be like to not have. To not be able to do that any more and itjust. Its just a very moving thing to be asked to do. Tash has finished recording her voice, so now all the sound bites will be sent to a Company Called modeltalker, headed up by tim bunnell. Hello, tim. So, im claire, and this is rose, and we were just hoping, if you dont mind, if you could explain the process to rose of what will happen once you receive all the recordings that are being made today and how you will piece together all those sounds to create roses voice. What were going to do is take the recordings that youve made and well take each of the 1600 sentences and well label them with a really, really detailed linguistic description of the speech. So well label every vowel and consonant and even subregions of the vowels and consonants, so well label separately the beginning of a vowel and the middle of a vowel and the end of a vowel, and then well add information about where the vowel occurred. Now the voice needs to be created, and all rose can do is wait. Your voice can describe how you feel. Your voice can portray where you are from. Your voice can allow anyone who listens to it to imagine who you are. Were back at the National Star college. Roses voice has been developed, and were about to hear it for the very first time. Kathy bridges is the lead technician at the National Star college and has programmed roses new voice into her system. Ready . Here we go imagination is more important than knowledge. Thats your voice what do you think . Is that what you wanted . Its got such a good cockney accent as well. Shes done a really good job. Amazing. Theyll have to get you on eastenders next. Yeah roses grandmother and aunts have travelled to be here in cheltenham as rose unveils her new voice. So, youre ready to play your voice . Hello, my name is rose. It sounds cheeky, just like you. China plate. Mate. China plate mate. Boat race. Face. China plate, firemans hose. Have some fun with them. So, youve got your new voice, havent you . Which is now a cockney accent type voice, and youve also got all of the cockney rhyming slang there for you as well. So youre good to go. Are you happy . Yeah i think shes happy. I think shes really happy. So how do you think your new voice better reflects your identity . Not robotic. It makes me sound like me and represents my personality. Some of the voices can be quite robotic, and that sounds completely different. Its about being more more personalised, isnt it . Thats it, yeah, personal. More, like, independent, and. Yeah. And, essentially, something that youve picked and youve had control over. Yeah. And its also reflecting her. As Voice Technology improves, hopefully more people can take part, so in the future anyone who has lost their voice from a disability can also benefit. Amazing. Ive been speaking to rose, alongside tash cowley the actress who gave rose her voice, and stephen cox an expert in voice assisted technology. Thank you, rose, thank you, tash, thank you, professor stephen cox forjoining us today. Tash, you have donated your voice to rose. You have never heard your voice coming out of this communication device. No. Until now. How are you feeling . Nervous. Iam nervous, but im really excited. Yeah. Rose, what difference has this device made to your life . Before my communicator, i often struggled to get people to understand me and what i wanted. I used a communication book that took a long time and made me very tired. Tash, youve got tears in your eyes. Yeah. Sorry. No, please dont apologise. Tell us why. Aw, itsjust. Well, i hope youre happy with it. Are you pleased with it . Its great. As soon as i was contacted about doing this project, i thought it was just the most amazing thing and i was thrilled to be picked by rose and asked to be involved. And hearing it, itsjust exactly what i pictured for you. Having met rose and spoken to people about sort of roses personality and who she is, it suits you so well. Im so pleased. Im really pleased that youre pleased, and it isjust so interesting to see your emotions, because its so important, isnt it, rose . I know youve been using this voice communicator for a long time, but i want to ask you, rose, what would you say is the most challenging thing about losing your voice . Sometimes i feel like i am not heard. Everything that i say takes a long time to write and makes me very tired. Because it takes a long time, people try to guess what im trying to say and often they guess wrong and then it takes more time to get people to understand. That makes total sense. How did you feel about your old voice . My old voice was very boring. It didnt reflect my personality. I was grateful to have a voice to be able to speak to people myself. Your old voice was a voice you were given you hadnt picked it yourself, it was off the shelf, if you like. What did you think of it . Did it have personality . Did it have identity . It made me feel like a boring middle aged woman and not the bubbly, friendly 21 year old that i am. Now you have this amazing new voice that youve picked yourself, youve been using it for a few days now hows it going . What do you think of it . I love it. I love using it and seeing peoples reactions to it. I wish i had it sooner. I now feel that it reflects my personality when i am talking to people and it gives me confidence because i like the way it sounds. Tash, what do you think of the way it sounds . I think it sounds fantastic, and im thrilled it really does reflect rose. You know, shes bubbly and shes sweet and funny and very outgoing, so i think its perfectly suited to her. Yeah, im thrilled. Lets bring in stephen. Professor stephen cox specialises in Computer Science at the university of east anglia. Stephen, what do you make of rose having a personalised voice that reflects her, her age and her personality . Well, i think its a very moving achievement in the field of technology, really. Weve been working on these kind of technologies now for about 20 or 30 years, and when speech synthesis started, it was very horrible and mechanical and there were only a few voices available. But now our understanding of how to do, how to make these voices has improved significantly and we are able to tailor the voice output to what a person wants or, indeed, to be Something Like their own voice. How expensive is it, stephen . It was expensive, because it used to be very time consuming. You had to record, say, two or three hours worth at least of speech data. Well, thats not bad. But then the speech data used to have to be processed by hand to split it up into things we call phonemes in speech. And this had to be done very accurately and a lot of it had to be done manually. Its a very, very time consuming task. Now weve moved on from there, we can do much better than that nowadays. And so we can make very good quality voices using only a few minutes worth of data and generally automated. And there is, actually, there is a uk company which will provide this service for, i think, £500. Right. Tash, why did you decide that you absolutely wanted to help rose . Well, when i was contacted about it, ijust jumped at the opportunity because i think we take it for granted that sort of day to day we get to use our voices i use my voice a lot for myjob and everybody has the right to not only be able to communicate, but communicate in the way that they choose to, the way that they would want to express themselves is so important. So, yeah, ijust thought what an amazing opportunity. Rose, i have a couple more questions i would like to ask you, but i would really like to explain to our audience how you are triggering the answers. And it is because you are using a head switch, which isjust behind the right hand side of your head, which is a blue round button, effectively, and you simplyjust tap it with the back of your head is that correct . I know that youre just about to graduate, arent you, from the National Star college in cheltenham. Whats that been like . It has been the best three years of my life. Ive made brilliant friends and done some amazing things, like meeting benedict cumberbatch, and the Stephen Hawking memorial service. And what are your ambitions . I know you are going back to kent after graduation, but your ambitions for the future, your hopes for the future . What are your plans . Going to have a nice break over the summer and go on a cruise to the med with my aunt. Then hoping to attend a drama course, as i want to get a job on eastenders and be the first woman to use the communication aid on the show. Now, that is one heck of an ambition. That would be absolutely stunning, would it not, to see you on eastenders . Rose, i wonder if you wanted to Say Something to tash about her donating her voice to you. Tash, thank you very, very much for giving me my voice. I love it, and i hope you love it too. I do love it. Thank you. Thank you for picking me. Thank you, all of you. Really appreciate your time. Thank you very much, stephen cox. Tash, thank you, natasha. And rose, many thanks. Do you think you two are going to stay in touch . Absolutely. I hope so. Yeah, itd be lovely to stay in touch and see. You know, when rose gets cast on eastenders, ill be veryjealous. Ill tune in, obviously. No, yeah, definitely. Rose, were so grateful. Thank you for giving us so much of your time and for inspiring our audience and the country. Really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Martin says what an amazing story, two incredible women and lindsay on twitter said speech synthesis in a dialect for users is fantastic. Rose, so pleased you have found your voice finally. Marti, rose, you put my problems into perspective, all the best team. Laura said, very inspirational. Claire said i would love to record my voice for someone to use. What a marvellous thing to do. And pippa on Facebook Says i would love my sons speech app to make his words with an overlay of the vocalisation he makes so it really could be his voice. I am sure it would help him to progress more with finding his own speech, something at age ten he finds difficult and frustrating. Suzanne said what an amazing initiative, do they need yorkshire accent . Its two years since a new bill to protect survivors of Domestic Abuse was first announced and, today, itll be introduced to parliament, in theresa mays last few days in office. The new law will bring in the first legal government definition of Domestic Abuse, which would include Financial Abuse and controlling and manipulative behaviour. The victims minister, victoria atkins, told me it will be a landmark piece of legislation. We are setting down for the first timea we are setting down for the first time a Legal Definition of Domestic Abuse that is not confined to physical violence because sadly, as you know, Domestic Abuse takes many forms, including emotional, economic and sexual abuse. We are reflecting that in the definition which is important because it has repercussions in terms of how services are commissioned to support victims and survivors. We are appointing a Domestic Abuse commissioner who will focus on tackling Domestic Abuse and they will hold local and National Government to account on how we deal with this. Is that a definite . That is the criticism from womens aid. They said you need resources to make a real difference to peoples lines and local authority spending on refuges for example has been cut. We accept funding as part of the jigsaw, which is why we are clear. The bill as it stands, it is being introduced today but we anticipate adding amendments at second reading, the next stage of the bill in the autumn. Womens at my cade and other organisations dont need to be nervous, that is a guarantee from you . Womens aid. Nervous, that is a guarantee from you . Womens aid. I have a good working relationship with Domestic Abuse charities and this is a dialogue with the charities. Abuse charities and this is a dialogue with the charitiesm abuse charities and this is a dialogue with the charities. It is a guarantee . The consultation is live and there will be moments in the bill. You will appreciate i cannot prejudge what the consultation will reveal but we are working hard, once consultation closes, to put those amendments in the bill. We are clear refuge accommodation must be part of the bill. I hear that you cant give a guarantee at this point. It was two years ago theresa may announced this legislation, february 2017. The government has been too focused on brexit, has it not, rather than the 2 million who experience Domestic Abuse annually, that is why it has taken so long . It seems like a long time to anyone who does not work in whitehall but we have gone further than the Prime Minister promised in the queens speech because the promise was to lay a draft bill, which we achieved at the beginning of this year. But we have gone further and we are laying the actual bill before this parliament. There is more work to do but we wanted to continue the momentum and get the bill introduced before recess so we have a clear run in the autumn to begin the process of legislating properly. I understand the work that has gone into it. Next week, you will have a new Prime Minister and it looks like it could be Boris Johnson. It looks like it could be Boris Johnson. Is he behind this . He is, as isjeremy. Both Leadership Teams have confirmed they support the bill and with both progress with the bill in the autumn so that is great news. This is an injustice that has long needed to be tackled and there is cross party needed to be tackled and there is cross Party Support for which i am grateful to really get this legislation moving. Also to work on the non legislative measures, because the law could do so much, but it is about changing society and making sure we have support on the ground, which is why for example, ca is ground, which is why for example, cars rolling out a programme called operation compass across the country i hope will help millions of families because the scheme means if there has been an incident the night before, there is an agreement between police and School Police will let the school know before the school day starts, so the school can treat the child who may have witnessed some terrible things the night before and can support them and treat them with care and tenderness. That is a small project but it has an enormous impact from schools where it has been rolled out. There are measures like that happening alongside the bill. M someone happening alongside the bill. M someone here is shouting, or plate smashing, as people did a few weeks ago at borisjohnsons flat, should people call police if they are worried for safety . I cannot comment on an individual case but in terms of the generality, it is about being a good neighbour. If you hear something going on and if you feel able to knock on their door and check everything is all right. But if you are worried, of course, do call the police, because i am afraid we have seen cases where the public had the chance to intervene but did not want to interfere. They did not feel it was their place and terrible things have happened. To me it is about being a good neighbour. M things have happened. To me it is about being a good neighbour. Is it right to record potential evidence of Domestic Abuse . Again, i am not commenting on individual cases. I would hope that someone seeks help in the immediate term to help the person they are worried about. That to me would be the primary thing they should do. As for the actions ofa they should do. As for the actions of a few weeks ago, i cannot really comment because i was not there but seeking help is the right thing to do. But recording . I do not want to comment on an individual case. I would hope one would go to seek help first because it is the immediate circumstances of the situation they are hearing. I would want them to deal with that. Understood. What did you say to Boris Johnson deal with that. Understood. What did you say to borisjohnson about his comments that money had been squandered . It was a private conversation. I made my views known. We have to be careful about the language we use because i have met too many victims of historical child sexual abuse and i know the enormous impact it has on them, notjust in the immediacy of the abuse, but in the immediacy of the abuse, but in the much longer term. I am really pleased this government has frankly been quite innovative, if that is the right word, but we have been bold in trying to unmask institutional abuse where it has occurred, which is why we set up the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse. I welcome the work they are doing. Were you angry with him . It has shown the impact it has had on victims. Myjob as minister for crime and women is to stand up for crime and women is to stand up for victims. It is what i used to do before i was elected to the commons. I used to prosecute criminals for living, it was about me on behalf of the state standing up the victims andi the state standing up the victims and i will continue to do that in my current role and as a member of parliament. We have to look after people who have been through terrible experiences. We have had a child six abuse survivors as adults on this programme who were very hurt and very offended by borisjohnsons language, particularly the use of the word spaffing. They wanted him to apologise. Do you think Boris Johnson should apologise for using that line which . That will be something that boris i am sure is considering. Do you think he should . For my part, i have been clear that i take my response abilities for safeguarding vulnerability very seriously, and i will protect and stand up for victims without fear or favour, as i have done all my professional life. Do they deserve an apology . Well, get boris on the show and ask him. We have tried. Im afraid he declines our invitation every time. Thank you for talking to us every time. Thank you for talking to us this morning. Victoria atkins, thank you very much. Lets speak to lucy rose hadley from womens aid and also with us is rachel williams, a survior of Domestic Abuse. She met with theresa may last week to discuss the issue. Thank you for coming on the programme again. Rachel, what would you take from the new legislation, what do you think it would do in terms of protecting survivors in the future . Both women and men . Its a start, its a foundation. I think there is a lot to be built upon. We need at least 300 across the country, where hospitals are having disclosures made. The resources have to be put there, it is a good start in foundation. Lucy, are you reassure that you will get more money for refugees . Did you take reassurance from victoria atkins in that interview . We do, we welcome the introduction of the bill to parliament today, as the minister said, it is a real landmark moment for improving the response to survivors and their children. It is really important, as rachel said, that it really important, as rachel said, thatitis really important, as rachel said, that it is underpinned by the resources we need, and the Specialist Services are still operating on a complete shoestring across the country. So, as the ministersaid, across the country. So, as the minister said, there is an ongoing consultation about adding a new statutory duty on local authorities to deliver support for survivors in refugees and other accommodation based services. That consultation is really, really important and i am reassured the government are committed to introducing that in the bill. The duty is one thing. Underpinning it with the funding we need to ensure all survivors and their children can get access to refuge space on the help they need, thatis refuge space on the help they need, that is really important. And what the bill hasnt done, that we have been calling for across the Domestic Abuse sector, is ensuring that migrant women, and those with insecure immigration status, can access a refuge space. The government have promised to review that further before the bill is voted further this year. But we really need to see those commitments, if we are to be assured that the bill is going to make a practical difference to peoples lives. Is there anything in the legislation that might have helped you, when you were enduring Domestic Abuse . I didnt know what womens aid was seven years ago, victoria. Soi aid was seven years ago, victoria. So i think it is getting the message out there that there are services there for people to tackle when they need the help. Like i said, unless we have the people on the ground at grassroots level, where people are disclosing in hospitals, doctors, in schools, you know, in all walks of life, it is going to be fruitless. But i think theresa may, when i spoke to her last week, she is passionate about this. It is so sad it has taken two marker years to get to this point, and rushing through now, before she leaves, because she wa nts to now, before she leaves, because she wants to prevent this because we dont know what is going to happen with the next Prime Minister, i hope we have the same opportunity with boris orjeremy to sit around the cabinet table, like we did last week, with all of those in the sector, and say what the problem is. Because there are problems with how victims are being dealt with today. I handed theresa may my petition last week around family courts, with 232,000 signatures on it. I also handed it to the minister on monday, ata handed it to the minister on monday, at a different event. Edward aga said it was harrowing to read the stories. Ijust hope people put victim voices at the heart of everything they do going forward. A text message from somebody who doesnt leave their name, it will be welcomed by thousands of people, often controlling behaviour and Emotional Abuse can affect victims as severely as there affected by physical abuse. As somebody who was in an emotionally abusive marriage for over 20 years, i can say without doubt that this kind of behaviour is demoralising and grinds you down. Another e mail, it is vitally important there is a clear definition of Domestic Violence in law which includes coercive abuse. A victim doesnt usually know they are a victim of this. Another twitter user, Financial Abuse is a form of Domestic Abuse. This aspect of abuse carries on long after the relationship ends. Child maintenance is used as a controlling tool repeatedly. As i was leaving my house for chemotherapy, a debt collector arrived. My ex had left a debt he was meant to clear, which was in my name. Despite the fact i am in treatment for stage iii breast cancer, he insists if the kids need anything i should get more work. When in an abusive relationship, many find the financial constraints a huge factor in being unable to leave. Is that right . Absolutely, yes. What we have been campaigning for is a law that goes beyond the Justice System alone. And that tackles all of these areas of survivors lives that they need support for, and they want to see changes in, whether that is family courts, as rachel has talked about, whether it is the financial barriers that prevent you from leaving an abuser and rebuilding an independent life, whether it is access to safe housing and support for your health needs. Just one in six women in refuges in 2017 had seen a criminal case or criminal sanctions against the perpetrator, yet nearly all of the perpetrator, yet nearly all of the measures in this bill are focused on criminalJustice Systems. We wa nt focused on criminalJustice Systems. We want to see that rebalanced as the law progresses through parliament to ensure that it really brings in the change of survivors are calling for. Rachel, tell the audience if you would, you have spoken to is about this before, and we are grateful for your sharing your experiences, tell us how you survived . I was with my perpetrator for 18 years. Which was coercive, controlling behaviour. Physical abuse. The mental abuse controlling behaviour. Physical abuse. The mentalabuse is controlling behaviour. Physical abuse. The mental abuse is sometimes far worse than the physical. After i finally found the courage to leave him, after he slit his wrists in front of our 16 year old son, after he had strangled me, i left him. In that six week period i was stalked and harassed, and it resulted in him coming to my place of work, armed with a sawn off shotgun, shooting me. Obviously there is more into it than that, but i know we are stressed for time. He went and hung himself. I was in hospital for six weeks recovering from my gun shot and the beating i had after being shot by him. And then came out of hospital on friday the 23rd of september 2011, and sadly my 16 year old sonjack september 2011, and sadly my 16 year old son jack took his life on the monday the 26th. This is a result of one mans actions. A perpetrator of abuse. This is what they do to families. They actually destroy them. They are domestic terrorists. There is no other where you can put to them, other than domestic terrorists. Really appreciate your time. Theres been a big rise in the number of people dying from taking drugs in scotland. Figures released in the past hour show drugs were behind the deaths of 1187 people last year. Thats a rise of 253 on the year before, and is the largest figure ever recorded in scotland. Two of the deaths last year were siblings a brother and sisterfrom fife. Their sisterjacquie is a recovering addict who has lost five members of her family to addiction. She spoke to reporter Chris Clements from bbc scotlands the nine. A warning this film is upsetting and contains descriptions of drug use. Any downer, really. Any sleeping tablet, any suppressant, painkillers, tramadol, gabapentin, pregabalin. Just a lot of different tablets. Why . Just to help with the buzz, to block out everything that was going on in my life. Mm hmm. Ifeel my life has been ruined, and people could say thats been my fault, and i understand that, with the drugs aside, for me, but i cannae help the fact that ive lost almost all my family to be drugs. And it is hard. Yeah, it is very difficult. We can speak now to Alison Thewliss the Scottish National party mp for glasgow central. What is going wrong in scotland . There are lots of historic reasons for drug death figures that we have today. I should say first of all that every one of those 1187 deaths isa that every one of those 1187 deaths is a tragedy for somebody. That is somebodys family member, a loved one that somebody is not getting back. We need to reflect on that when we look at the figures. But what has been happening in scotland is partly to do with historic drug use, so people that have been using drugs now for 20 years or so at least. That is reflected in the figures, where the highest number of deaths are among the older age group, over the age of 35. So, why isnt the approach to target those people to get them off the drugs . Well, it is very complicated, being able to target those people. What we have seen in glasgow is an increased number of people that are injecting in public. People that are using drugs in public spaces, waste ground, back courts and things like that. These are people that are not accessing treatment in other ways. What we are looking to do in glasgow isa what we are looking to do in glasgow is a supervised drug consumption facility. Where it has been brought in throughout the rest of the world, those facilities have been very entry level access to Drug Treatment Services for those that are not accessing services. We have reported from one of these. We described it asa from one of these. We described it as a fixed room, the same thing, because we knew that glasgow was interested in opening one there. So, we went to copenhagen and reported on it. It was pretty grim, i have to say. Lets remind the audience. It is poison, isnt it . I will find one. The same thing, every day, at least five times. You do the same thing five times. You do the same thing five times. You do the same thing five times a day . Here . £1 million a year is spent on that fixed room, that could be spent on getting people off drugs . Fixed room, that could be spent on getting people off drugs7m fixed room, that could be spent on getting people off drugs . It is a way of getting people into services. Doesnt always work. From our experience and copenhagen . At the moment, people in glasgow dont even get a ccess moment, people in glasgow dont even get access to those kinds of facilities. They are injecting on filthy waste ground, places that are u nsafe. Filthy waste ground, places that are unsafe. They are far more likely to die. Theres not been one single death in any drug consumption room, anywhere in the world. If you want people to access recovery and move toa people to access recovery and move to a situation where they are not using drugs, they have to be alive to do that. These drug consumption rooms keep people alive. Its not a pa na cea , rooms keep people alive. Its not a panacea, it will not keep over 1000 people every year alive. It is part ofa people every year alive. It is part of a bigger picture. I think everybody in this sector accepts thatis everybody in this sector accepts that is not the only way to get people in services and support them. The Scottish Government are looking at improving the Services Offered to people. The scottish cup and have set upa people. The scottish cup and have set up a new Drugs Task Force which would look at all of these issues in the round and see what else we can do. That is the real acknowledgement, that whatever has been going on in scotland since the snp came to power, which is over ten yea rs snp came to power, which is over ten years ago, is absolutely failing drug users. Has been a growing trend. These people are older drug users, and they have been using drugs for many years. Dont know why thatis drugs for many years. Dont know why that is an explanation. I understand you say it is an expert nation, i dont know why that is an excuse for the Scottish Government. There are bigger pictures in health in scotland. You will know that there isa scotland. You will know that there is a well studied phenomenon that people in glasgow have Poorer Health than in comparable cities and the rest of the uk. So the scottish game and should do something about that. Where we have the powers to do things, and alcohol, we have seen improvements in treatment. We have seen improvements in treatment. We have seen improvements in the smoking rate, because we have powers to take action. We are the first nation in the uk to bring in powers. Well, you can tackle drugs. That is why you can tackle drugs. That is why you set up your drug strategy committee. In november we cant open drug consumption moves back rooms. But you can tackle homelessness, poverty, jobs, Mental Health issues, all the things that are linked to drug addiction. There isa are linked to drug addiction. There is a huge blockage in the misuse of drugs act to prevent services doing things we would like to do. If you ta ke things we would like to do. If you take accommodation, for example, under the misuse of drugs act, if somebody is taking drugs on a property that they rent, that could mean they lose their tenancy, under the misuse of drugs act. If somebody knows they are taking drugs in these facilities, people can lose their tenancy as a result. That is the way the law stands on those kind of things. If you want to tackle that and allow people to take drugs in a rented premises, accommodation, you need to be able to have that permission under law. That does not exist at the moment. That stands in a way of some of the action is the Scottish Government would like to take. Joe Scottish Government would like to take. Joe fitzpatrick, the Public Health minister in scotland, i am clear that ill health and death caused by substance misuse is avoidable. That means treating people and all of their complete needs, not just the people and all of their complete needs, notjust the addiction. As i said, jobs, poverty, Mental Health issues. Absolutely. Traditionally, Mental Health services, for example, would say that people need to be off drugs before they can access therapeutic services. We know that therapeutic services. We know that the barrier to not taking drugs going into the services can be a huge barrier to getting into the services in the first place. People are very vulnerable, they are subject to potentially relapsing and things like that. So what is being discussed at the moment is making services a lot less punitive. For example, if somebody is in a degree of treatment, they have some kind of relapse, they should not be thrown out of the treatment service, they should work with them, and that is what needs to change. Does the scottish cup and have any responsibility for this record high of drugs deaths in scotland . M responsibility for this record high of drugs deaths in scotland . It is a very complex issue. So, should they bear any responsibility for the deaths . The Scottish Government has been doing a huge amount in terms of getting people into recovery, changing conversations around drugs, and making this a health issue, not and making this a health issue, not a criminaljustice issue. Do they ta ke a criminaljustice issue. Do they take responsibility for any of those deaths . There are always issues where we need to do more. I cant a nswer where we need to do more. I cant answer for the scottish govern it on that. I think everybody accepts we need to do more, Joe Fitzpatrick will accept we need to do more. That is why he set up the task force and why he is treating it as a Public Health issue, rather than criminal justice issue. We need to do a lot more in cooperation with the uk government, he sets a lot of the rules, to change the rules so that we can help people more. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. President trump has continued his attack on four female politicians whove accused him of racism. It all started on sunday, when the democratic congresswomen criticised the treatment of Child Migrants at the us border. President trump hit back by saying the women should go back to the country they came from. Overnight, the row continued. In a series of tweets last night, spelling out his message in capital letters donald trump said we will never be a socialist or communist country. If you are not happy here, you can leave it is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for america. Certain people hate our country. At a joint news conference, held shortly after the tweets were sent, the women condemned what they called the president s xenophobic and bigoted comments. He is launching a blatantly racist attack on four duly elected members of the United States house of representatives. All of whom are women of colour. This is the agenda of white nationalists. The first note i want to tell children across this country is that no matter what the president says, this country belongs to you. And it belongs to everyone. Leaders from around the world have been criticising President Trump. Theresa mays spokesman said his comments were completely unacceptable. New zealands Prime Ministerjacinda ardern said she completely and utterly disagreed with mr trump. Canadas Prime Ministerjustin trudeau said that is not how we do things in canada. A canadian, is a canadian, is a canadian. Back here the two men vying to be our next pm have both condemned the comments but didnt call them racist. I have three half chinese children and if anyone. And they are british citizens, born on the nhs. And if anyone ever said to them, go back to china, i would be utterly appalled. If you are the leader of a great multiracial, multicultural society, you simply cannot use that kind of language about sending people back to where they came from. Borisjohnsonjeremy Boris Johnson jeremy hunt. 50 years ago today, three brave men lifted off in apollo 11. Their mission to become the first human beings to land on the moon. All engines running. Lift off we have a little. Neil armstrongs giant leap for mankind became a defining moment in history. For those watching at the time, the first moon landing played out live on tv hundreds of thousands of miles away. The moon landing was watched by around 600 Million People around the world. It took the crew of three men 76 hours to travel the 240,000 miles from earth to its moon. And america desperate to reach the surface of the moon before the soviets spent more than 25 billion on the moon landing. Neil armstrong and buzz aldrin climbed down the ladder of the apollo 11 lunar module the eagle and spent 21 and a half hours on the surface of the moon before returning back to earth. Lets talk about this achievement 50 years ago today with Maggie Aderin pocock she is a space scientist and presenter of the show the sky at night. Also with us is sue nelson she is a Science Writer and the author of wally funks race for space a book about the woman who was supposed to be one of the first women in space. And speaking to us from the Johnson Space centre in houston is scott millican. He was in the control centre when the astronauts blasted off he helped teach Neil Armstrong and buzz aldrin how to put on their space suits a task that took two and a half hours scott, thank you so much for talking to the british audience. What was it like being in the control centre as apollo blasted off . Thank you for having me. Being in the centre was really a thrill. We landed at a certain point, and then there was about four five hours before they actually went outside. And so we got ourselves adjusted. I work with another gentleman. We both said in the Mission Control centre, and one of us was sitting at the console, and one was sitting in the back. Staff support. We rotated every other mission. And so he was on the console, i was right behind him. We worked as a team together. Whenever they landed on the moon, we didnt come into Mission Control centre until they got ready to put on the equipment, the suit, backpack and things. I appreciate was four five hours after they landed, the moment they stepped on the surface of the moon, how did you feel . Well. You know, a lot of people ask me that question. I thought it was a thrilling moment. But question. I thought it was a thrilling moment. But i have to say that i was an engineer, i was involved in the training, and it was important to step on the moon. I kind of want to say it, i didnt wa nt to kind of want to say it, i didnt want tojump up and slap hands or anything. We didnt, nobody did that at that moment. We were just watching what it was doing. A very famous moment, very famous remark that he made, that is what i recall. How important was it . It was a major milestone. The americans threw money at it, but they also threw brains at it. Scientists and engineers, 3000 of them went together to make that happen. A epic moment in time, as you said, so may people across the world watch this. I became a space scientist, and one of the reasons was because of hearing about the moon landings. So, it was buzz aldrin and Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon, but there was so many people. He did not get the recognition they deserve . People. He did not get the recognition they deserve . |j people. He did not get the recognition they deserve . I am interested in women that have been involved, the roles they played. The nice thing is that more recently we have been getting to learn that it wasntjust men, have been getting to learn that it wasnt just men, and have been getting to learn that it wasntjust men, and one small step for man. There were women involved in every aspect of those early days onwards. Whether they were the African American women who were the computers, the engineers and mathematicians who did the orbital calculations and the earlier apollo missions, whether it was people like judhh missions, whether it was people like judith love cohen, who worked on the abort Guidance System for apollo, without which the apollo 13 crew later on would not have made it home. People like margaret hamilton, who you always see this lovely black and white picture of, with books that reach up to. She is quite tiny, but still above her head. She is celebrated in one of nasas lego women of science. She was one of the lead computer programmers that worked for mit, that was vital for apollo to get there. So many different roles for women as well. 50 yea rs, different roles for women as well. 50 years, mackie, since humans landed on the moon. Where could we be in another 50 years . I will be six feet under, i dont know about you. You are much younger than me. Doing lots of things, i am quite hopeful for myself it is an exciting time for stop it feels like we had a love affair with the moon, lots of excitement and it died down. We havent been back to the moon for 46 years. But there is a resurgence in interest. What i find exciting is that it in interest. What i find exciting is thatitis in interest. What i find exciting is that it is not the usual gene pool. In the past it was the americans versus the russians. Now it is israel, china has an amazing Space Programme going to the moon. As well as countries, or more countries looking at the moon, it is very interesting that it is commercialisation of the moon. So, the moment it is a bit of a battle of the billionaires, where people who have a lot of money are looking to the moon as a commercial enterprise. Is it a good thing that it is being potentially commercialised . It depends on how we do it. With anything, there is an ethical question to be answered. If we just rely on countries going back to the moon, i dont think many countries have the impetus or the will to go there again. If there is a commercial reason to go to the moon, if we can get some benefits from the moon, then i think we are more likely to go there. I have been waiting a long time. I am sure. But im in commercially, as interest very, very rich people being able to pay for the opportunity. That a Space Tourism, effectively. That is very different. You have gotten us are pledging to put a man and a woman, the first woman on the moon, by 2024. The Space Tourism aspect, which people like wally funk has paid a forward virgin galactic, people buy these tickets and they cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. They are effectively investors in commercial space flight. Investors in commercial space flight. We will be having a moon base in a decade, or the start of one. There is an environmental reason for going back. A lot of the minerals and materials that we use in ipads, smartphones, laptops, in everything, they are often difficult to get on earth. In some cases they involve child labour, which is not particularly ethical. And the moon has these elements. So there are lots of different reasons, notjust the science, which is great, finding out where we came from, how the earth and an informed, our position in the solar system, there are environmental, ethical reasons to go as well, as well as commercial. Mike says i was 15 when the whole family stayed up all night to watch the moon landing. I hoped it would mark a turning point in civilisation. Here we are on the 21st century, and although technology has advanced, socially we seem to be back on the 17th century. You can take the human race from the stone age, but you cant take the stone age from the human race. Scott, thanks for coming on the programme, i really appreciate your time. And maggie and sue, thank you for being patient. Im glad you made it in the end. Thank you for your company today. We are back again tomorrow as we are each weekday. Have a lovely day. Hi, good morning. For many of us, it has been a bright start to the day, lots of sunshine out there. A bit more cloud the further north you are across england coming to scotland and northern ireland. A few showers at the moment in northern parts of england. Those will generally clear away. The best of the sunshine towards the south. You can see on the satellite imagery. You will keep that sunshine right through into the evening. The chance of the art ice later chow are developing across wales, the midlands, east england, may one or two marker shop showers across scotland this afternoon. For many it will be a warmer day compared to yesterday. 2123 degrees. Up compared to yesterday. 2123 degrees. Up to 27 celsius is possible in the south east of england. Through tonight, for many there will be clear skies. The cloud increasing across scotland and northern ireland, with some showery outbreaks moving in. Its not going to be a cold night. Those temperatures are no lower than 1115 degrees. A one star to wednesday. There will be our recovering for scotland and northern ireland. For england and wales, the larger dry day dry day with some sunshine and still 31. Fairly warm. Youre watching bbc newsroom live its 11 am and these are the main stories this morning. The number of people in scotland dying from taking drugs has jumped by a quarter, giving scotland a higher drugs death rate than the United States and any other eu country. Four american congresswomen attacked by President Trump say hes using racism to distract from his failing policies. He is launching a blatantly racist attack on fort duly elected members of the United States house of representatives. All of whom are women of colour. This is the agenda of white nationalists. Some people think its controversial. A lot of people love it, by the way. The woman nominated to head the European Commission says

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