Publicly, the Police Discourage it but weve discovered in the last two years, an almost sixfold increase in paedophile hunter evidence being used in court. We followed one hunter from southampton and just to warn you, you may find this a difficult watch. One sec. All right, mate, just walk up towards the park and im the alleyway in the woods. By the two nippers sat with the bike. All right, mate. In the bushes of a southampton park, we are following steven dewar. Hes a scaffolder by trade but his alter ego is trap, a paedophile hunter using social media to catch his prey. Hes been quite a fast one, ive only had him for about 48 hours. Hes turning up to meet a 14 year old boy. I mean, this ones pretty solid, hell be going nowhere, hes quite vile so im happy to get him if he turns up. We dont have to wait long. One of stevies lookouts has spotted the man. Hello . Walking where . Get up here quickly, get up here quick. Where is he . At this point, you get this mad feeling, hearts pounding, ive got a massive adrenaline rush. Guess whos back . Back again . Trap is back tell a friend. Stevie has had to be prepared to go to court after he went from being a fan of other hunters to being one himself this year. His evidence has already been used three times. But first, he has to gather that evidence. Im pretending to be a 14 year old boy. Interviewer how long was it before you told him you were 14 . I always wrap up within the first four messages. What i do is i screenshot the whole conversation as i do them. He starts off nice, how you doing today . And then he starts to move into more dirty chat. Its this chat log that stevie will later hand over to the police in its entirety. Its important hunters dont take the lead in any conversation and that they keep repeating that they are a child. When i talk to them, i talk about school, i hate a certain teacher. Its always brought back up to school, child, school, child. I mean, its a very tricky thing to do and its very disturbing. I make sure i take breaks and sometimes ijust throw my phone down and ill leave it there. Stevie doesnt claim to be perfect. As a young man, he had run ins with the law himself. I think about the aggro, the damage ive caused to certain people, from being the way i was, and i literally wanted to leave my mark, wanted to do something good for the society. Its taken over my life. Ive sort of bitten off more than i can chew. Im never going to be able to give this up, this is me for life now. The police call paedophile hunters vigilantes who risk letting the guilty go free by posting their videos online before prosecution. Stevie does just that and its popular. He has 171,000 facebook followers. Ive definitely got supporters of what i do and a lot of children. I caught two there, one just on the corner over there and then another one over there. I walk over to my local shop and its past the local school and im forever getting stopped by kids and they are asking me for photographs and one day i was having a bit of an emotional day and the next thing, i felt a tap on my shoulder and i turned around and this little boy asked me if i was who he thought i was and he just put his hand out and said, mate, can you shake my hand, thank you for saving us kids and i literally thought i could have cried. It literally brought a tear to my eye. I thought, wow, thats an impact im having on a child. I caught another guy at this shop here, i think it was a tuesday afternoon and i took a day off work to catch him. It was right outside here. You all right . How you doing . Sound. You all right . Do you want to come and have a chat . 0k, dinners on the go. Interviewer what you think about what steves doing . Brilliant work. Its about time someone stood up in the community. Someone standing up and making a difference. Police arent doing nothing about it, are they . So in my opinion, if it takes one man to put them all away, then so be it. So are the police not doing enough . Or is stevie stepping on their toes . Chief constable simon bailey is the man in charge of child abuse investigations across the country. Vigilante groups are putting the lives of children at risk. They might not perceive it that way but they are potentially comprising our operations, they are not undertaking the comprehensive Risk Assessment that we do. But you are quite happy to use the evidence. Is that not sending a conflicting message . No, im not sending a conflicting message, the challenge i have is that whilst i have been consistently giving this message, unfortunately, for whatever reason, these groups continue and carry on doing their work. How many times has an operation compromised of theirs . How many times is evidence lost when one of their stings and one of their entrapment operation goes wrong . It seems, though, that the police are behind the game. In 2014, 20 cases which are meeting a child following sexual grooming, the police used evidence from paedophile hunters. In 2016, its11li cases. Thats a sixfold increase. Thats staggering, isnt it . My message dont compromise our operations hasnt been taken on board by these vigilante groups. But they say they are saving lives, saving children from being put at risk because they are having success. Im not going to condone these groups and i would encourage them all to stop, but i recognise i am not winning that conversation, i am not winning that moral argument. Will there ever be a situation where paedophile hunters could Work Together with police . I think that is something we will potentially have to look at, yes, but it comes with some real complexities. Not least of all, the psychological screening that the professionals go through to make sure that these people are still not being adversely affected by this. Whilst i will have to look at it, those risks are realistic and they cannot be understated. Stevie admits his first efforts at catching paedophiles were flawed and the predators went free. His stings have also been criticised as showboating. But he says its addictive and he wont stop. You can see i live in quite a humble place. I go to work every day on a building site, its dusty, hot or wet and muddy. Im not living a good life. I come home at night and torture myself talking to perverts. You all right . They are good people. They dont see me at 3am on tuesday, talking to some pervert and then ive got to be up at 6am to drive an hour away to go to work. People dont see that side of it. Some stings take weeks or even months to initiate. 0thers happen much more quickly. Guess whos back . Stevies about to meet a man who groomed him in just two days when stevie posed online as a 14 year old boy. Hello, mate. Bobby, yeah . You arranged to meet a 14 year old boy here today for sex . No. Yes, you have, mate, do you want me to get the stuff out and show you . Ive got all the chat log there, buddy, its all screenshot, its all there. The police are on their way right now. Im a paedophile hunter, mate, thats what i do. Im afraid youre under a citizens arrest, mate, im not going to let you go anywhere. No, please. Mate, youre under citizens arrest, i can use force. Im not going to. Buddy, dont make me pin you down, please. Please. No, not please. Ive got to meet my wife. What were you doing arranging to meet a 14 year old to have sex, then . Im not arranging to meet a 14 year old. Yes, you were talking to me the whole time. He was 18. He wasnt. You were talking to me the whole time. It was me messaging you the whole time. Stevie, the boy, right . So if you try and run off, im going to pin you down, restrain you, using reasonable force. Please. No brute force, reasonable force. Please. All within the law, section 2aa of the Police Public evidence act. Youre not going anywhere, buddy. Im appealing to you, please. You have to appeal to the courts, mate, once you get charged, not me. You cant appeal nothing to me. I will go away for life. Why . Have you been caught before . Why is the child on grindr posing as a 14 year old boy . Hes not posing, im posing as a 14 year old child. Why are you posing as a 14 year old child . To catch out scumbags like you. Speechless, hey . This is the horrible wait, mate, to be honest, i hate it just as much as you. You probably hate it more than me but i dont like this wait myself. But sirens is promising. How you doing, you all right . Do you want to speak to my colleague over there . The Police Arrive within minutes. All the evidence is there, screenshot. Ive managed to stop him from. 0fficer, officer, can you stop him from going on his phone because he can delete evidence . The man is interviewed. Its clear to the officers an offence may have been committed. We are arresting him and taking him down the station now. 0k. Obviously you are happy to come and give a statement . Yeah, of course. Absolutely. I do enjoy catching them and having them locked up. The look on their face knowing that they are not going to get a kid. The word enjoyment isnt something id use to do this. Did i enjoy him sending me a naked picture of him . No. The man hoping to meet a 14 year old boy for sex is robert babey from eastleigh. A serial sex offender. Hes beenjailed more than once. This time he pleaded guilty to multiple breaches of his sexual harm prevention order. Hes in prison awaiting his sentence. Thats him now, phone in the bag, look, so he cant delete anything off it. Thats him done. That was a good one. Now, if youve been affected by any of the issues raised in that film, there are details of an action line at the end of tonights programme. As ever, id like to hear your thoughts on that story as well. Normal e mail still to come we celebrate 50 years of one of our best loved liners. Theres nothing that measures up to theres nothing that measures up to the qe2. Next in this country, there are more than 2 Million People over the age of 75 who live on their own. And being isolated can be harmful to our health. Well, in brighton, theres a scheme trying to get people out and about and its a simple as, well, riding a bike. In 2012, danish cyclist ole kassow started a movement called cycling without age. Jumping, off we go how did you come up jumping, off we go how did you come up with this idea . I saw an old man sat on the bench and thought, how cool would it be to give him the chance to be part of society and pa rt chance to be part of society and part of life again. I showed up and started taking rides. It took off setting wheels in motion here, the cycling fanatics. After brewing a bike from denmark, theyve now bought their own. The plan is to give free rickshaw rides to the slightly older generation all over brighton. Setting wheels in motion to take off here, cycling fanatics Duncan Henderson and craig sullivan. After borrowing a bike from denmark, theyve now bought their own. The plan to give free rickshaw rides to the slightly older generation, all over brighton. Why did you want to get involved . What was it about the idea . We bought this loaner bike and i took out this lovely lady for a ride down to the seafront and thought nothing of it. She seemed to enjoy it, it was fab. Got home, next day, her son rings me and says, that was amazing, whatever you did for my mum was amazing. I hear you are looking forfunding and i said, yes. He said, how much do you need . Pretty much everyone rode a bike when we were kids. A lot of us still ride bikes as adults. But the elderly, most of them dont any more. But its not because they dont want to. Today, duncan and craig are planning to surprise an unsuspecting vi with a bike ride. Im 93 tomorrow. My husband died in his retirement year at 65 so ive been by myself for 29 years. I have a chair which i go out in. Ive got the help of my trolley. Vi lives in sheltered accommodation and rarely ventures beyond the estate. I do like to be beside the seaside. Until walking became a struggle, vi always enjoyed getting out and about. We used to like going to the dancing. I used to walk to the seafront and now i cant do that. Which is why duncans being in cahoots with vis pal denise. Operation the grey escape has been top secret four weeks. Hello what a lovely surprise really, i had to bite my tongue last night because i popped down. A mere 73, denise also lives alone, just two doors down from vi. I feel like a star. You are did you use to cycle when you were younger . Idid. Oh, yes. You dont go fast on it. You are really encouraged not to go faster than walking pace so it gives them the opportunity. People say, oh, you are doing all right in there. They go, yes, this nice young mans taking me out for a ride. Its beautiful. I go like this. Creating this interaction between people of all ages who might not normally get to meet up is what ole says his movement is all about. It makes people feel like they belong to something. They are part of something where elderly people, they can very easily become isolated and theres really nothing wrong with being alone but feeling alone is a terrible feeling. But when you are out like we are right now, its also as if the air and the sights and just being stimulated, itjust makes the conversation going. What you think of the service . I think its beautiful. And it gets people out which is so, so important. Especially me, when i cant come down here. Itsjust wonderful. It puts you back in the land of the living. You only have to spend a short time on this with one of these people and theirjoy is utterly infectious. It feeds my soul. I think thats what this movement is about, its about connection between young and old and between stories, you can share your stories, both ways, each generation. Its very powerful. The grand plan a fleet of rickshaws all along the south coast. There are a lot of people that retire down the south coast so i cant imagine you could have enough bikes. Thank you. Oh, thank you. What a big one vi has not been on a bike since the 1940s. I havent had an ice cream like this for ages. Because we are looking at the sea, we are breathing the air and weve got people around. Do you think it tastes better . I do. But now shes looking forward to more ice creams on the seafront and free rickshaw rides. Beside the sea i cant tell you how much i love that idea. Great stuff. Now, dont forget, we are on twitter, we are at i thought id do a bit of a mind reading. Think of a ship, any kind of ship you like. Yes . Its white, isnt it . A liner, famous, 50 years old, im seeing a q, and an e, and a 2. Am i right . As soon as i saw her, i thought, wow. She just looked fantastic. And from that day on, bob didnt realise how much i would love her. Because his wallet hurt. Fran and bob spires cruised the qe2 45 times. They spent 18 christmases on board and became so well known by the crew they were nicknamed mr and mrs qe2. To me, its not only the slickest looking liner in the world, it was the most comfortable one to be on. There isjust nothing, nothing else on the seas anywhere that measures up to the qe2. Few thoughts were given at clydebank to conquest of the air or space by the crowd of nearly 50,000 at john browns shipyard. 50 years ago, the last british built transatlantic liner was launched. I name this ship Queen Elizabeth ii. Named on 20th september, 1967, she became the longest ever serving liner and one of the most famous ships in history. Like her great predecessors, the new liner will write a further chapter in the story of ocean travel in this, the second elizabethan age. The qe2 was fast, smart and sleek. And from her home port in southampton, she sailed passengers around the world, offering a level of glitz and glamour never seen before. The real genius behind the design of qe2 was a ship that was able to go on the atlantic in the northern summer so they could do the transatlantic crossings, and then escape the rough weather and the cold winters and go cruising in the winter months. Chris frame is a maritime author and qe2 expert. When qe2 was designed, it was in the late 1960s and they actually had a very 1960s style interior in the ship. When she first entered service, the critics, they really hated the new materials of the ship but what happened was, the travelling public loved it and a whole new group of people started travelling on the qe2. Here is a remarkable ocean liner, service, comfort and efficiency. Queen elizabeth ii is a vast seagoing complex, capable of accommodating 1,800 passengers on ten passenger decks. At the time she came into service, she had four swimming pools which was considered quite revolutionary. Two of them were on deck, two of them were below deck and the idea was, when she was in the atlantic, the weather would be too rough for the swimming pools on deck, you could go down and enjoy the gym facilities in the lower parts of the ship. Theres a gym under the watchful eye of a fully qualified instructor. It had everything you could want in a ship. Lunch in the princess grill is a gastronomic delight. The food was magnificent, that always helps. And so were the drinks. And this is actual footage of frances in 1968 when she was a world class dancer. So a ship with a ballroom was a dream come true. Proud to say i was in the guinness book of champions as being the youngest World Champion at that point in time. So did your dancing feet set the qe2 alight, bob . Yes. We were known as the dancers, yes. Trouble is, we used to go on the floor sometimes and they all got off. That was part of life in the qe2, wasnt it . Very much so. The dancing, the glamour, the style, panache. Where are you going . In 2008, frances and bob were filmed for a bbc documentary that followed the qe2 on herfinal ever voyage. People were fiercely loyal to the ship. Enjoy this great ship, there never will be another one. I was very proud to be the captain. He was the ships master for the final five years. When you do your first time as captain and you go out on the bridge and you are ready to manoeuvre the ship out of the berth and take it out, all of a sudden you realise everyone is looking at you because you are it. How lovely to see you. Good to see you. How do you do. You have to enjoy it because if you didnt enjoy it it would be like being in prison with 2500 experts all around you. You have to enjoy it. Do you still have that dress . I do. I still have that dress. If i had known i would have e mailed you. My pleasure. Just for you. And you cannot be false about it. People can see through you quickly so you need to go out there, be yourself and enjoy it. People are fascinated. They are incredible. Special memories. That is touching that you remember what i wore. On november 26, 2008, the qe2 sailed into her new home at the port of rashid in dubai. She had been purchased by a Foreign Investment company. Through her life, the qe2 had sailed 5. 6 million miles, carried 2. 5 million passengers and had completed 806 transatlantic costings. We had a lot of time to ourselves in dubai because once the passengers had gone, then the boys and girls started going and then quickly we ended up with around a dozen or so of us left on the ship. It was heartbreaking. In the end you were glad to get off because it was not the real qe2 any longer. It was a dying thing, it was a great shame. It wasjust so emotional and so sad. And the moment that you finally pack your bags and you finally step off. It was all memories. Choking. Final term, look back, how do you do that . No. Get in a taxi and go. Are you still emotional about it . Yes. Very much. They do not make them like they used to. That is it for now. Dont forget our e mail i will see you next time. Details of organisations offering information and support for anyone who has experienced sexual abuse are available at bbc. Co. Uk actionline. Or you can call forfree to hear recorded information. Good afternoon. It isnt bad out than that for most of us, not much rain about. There is a bit of cloud, and as you can see in sterling this afternoon, just above glasgow, unfortunately on high ground there is some drizzle as well. A beautiful afternoon in kent at the moment. Very nice, you will see some temperatures as high as 20 degrees. Along with the far north of scotland, a window of sunshine here. Enjoy it, things will change through the night tonight. We have a breeze driving in more cloud and rain. Wind will fall lightly, we have some cloud, missed and now gone west facing coasts. This rain doesnt make much of an impression further inland. A mild start on thursday morning, hopefully glorious like summer. Morning, hopefully glorious like summer. Eastern england starts dry and sunny. The rain will gradually drive eastwards, but it will take its time in doing so. As a consequence, temperatures respond, the low 20s isnt out of the question. Rain in the south west could be heavy by the end of the day, keep an eye. Rain in north west england and north west scotland. Slowly beginning to ease out of northern ireland. About 14 16d here, we hope you can enjoy that sun and the warmth in the north today. Through the evening, some wetter weather on the south coast for a time. That rain never makes its way really across eastern england. Behind it, with light winds, we could see significant dense patches of fog forming in northern ireland. It will take its time in doing so. Before it arrives. A problem first thing on monday. This weather front is pushed back west. Never really getting into eastern england, it wea ke ns getting into eastern england, it weakens substantially. On monday, a band of cloud drifts east s agriculture west. High pressure in the early half of next week. Preventing this weather front from having an impression. Over the next few days, it looked like patches of rain we see on sunday will ease away. Largely dry and warm, better at this time of year, Early Morning fog, some dents in places and it could be an issue. This is bbc news, im lukwesa burak, the headlines at two. The french president , emmanuel macron, says the uk must provide more clarity about its negotiating position on brexit. Over half a Million People have signed a petition calling for transport for london to reverse its decision to stop the taxi app uber from operating in the capital. Iran says it has successfully tested a new ballistic missile, in defiance of us president donald trump. Jeremy corbyn arrives in brighton at the start of the labour party conference. Also in the next hour, thousands of costumes from the Royal Shakespeare company go on sale. This whole section of rail is nothing but tuxedos. Sir Patrick Stewart goes through the wardrobe to share some of his memories from the stage that are up for grabs. And coming up in half an hour, a special china edition of witness
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