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Hello welcome to the program of how sion have by just a year ago and tended blaine can was india. The 1st of a visit by us secretary of state he hailed the west african country as quote model, the present is a little democracy and a model of cool pricing and 5 months later the ministry ceased bala in a cool. Now nisha is got sale committed to ties with washington, and once its full says, to leave the follow full colonial power of friends whose troops was shown the door locked this in the meanwhile, i have relations with russia. I have been deepening with moscows influence increasing in the region. So whats going wrong so quickly from washingtons point of view, and what does miss as well, is that for us troops to leave being for the flight guys of drugs in the saddle, with basketball gas. These questions in a few moments with us this report from lucas, so sorry, a new jazz military government says the presence of us forces in the country is no longer justified. Its all to them out with immediate effect denouncing what its called, a condescending attitude of an american delegation in the captain, u. M. A foot talks, feel assured that popped in a diploma. Disney jr. Regrets the desire of the american delegation to deny the saw for new jerry and people the right to choose their partners and the types of partnership capable of helping them to truly fight against terrorism. Even though the United States of america has decided utilized truly to suspend all cooperation between now 2 countries, a member of the Us State Department said the decision to end the Ministry Agreement by new share came up to frank discussions about the chin task trajectory, ties between the 2 nations have strained since finishes men. She took power in a cool last year. Washington suspended some entry agent responds, but in december offer to restore ties on some conditions. Since the cool nation has done to rochelle for help, often kicked out french troops in december, maybe monday and booking of fossil, which have had to military clues since 2020 have also tons to must go for security support. Got the restaurant duties. As for the russian federation, its a partner with which need you to deals on a state to state basis. In accordance with minute 3 cooperation agreements, signed with the previoUs Government to acquire military equipment necessary and its fine against the terrorists who claim thousands of innocence. New gerry and victims under the indifferent i of much of the International Community nation has been the center of u. S. Military operations in the saw him with the large drum base and hundreds of soldiers stationed there to the saw head region funds across best africa. Just below the so holler desa the groups linked to i. So im ok. The have been operating for years. This year was seen as the last less than ally in the region. The state departments website described it as a critical act to and regional efforts to come to texas and, and promote stability for now, new chas. Efforts to come back on groups in the region with nothing full of the United States and the consume. Surely if ill just see the for inside study is the best thing in august in boucher a, diet hudson senior associate non resident vis center for strategic and international studies. Yolanda and alexis, legit. Im not as in director of sigma for africa also in the nigerian capital could be additional security and Intelligence Specialist focus in west africa and the homepage and way too heavy old in the program. The diet. How, how to relations, southerly decline between nisha and the United States of america. Its quite an Interesting Development on cedar in the us as been the one um government engage and with nation actually on government to government basically the same. So i kind of buy representation from the Atkins Deputy secretary of state uh to the assets as it gets your page up to service the new page to have jamie have the best of to present our credentials. So i think thats there has been some form of openness on the part of the us in terms of working with nation. But i think for me, share the problem is thats the same so much fixated for the leasing. And we do hope that this book leaves in june of eventually need drives initially soon. Um in the, in the john really especially considering the security template cache and decided thoughtful nigeria just as good for the 1st step academy need. Thank you alexis. Well, i yet to understand exactly what happened during that meeting between the us assistant secretary of state monthly fee on the michael langley, the command of us Africa Command with the top new jerry and officials bombing from the what the news areas are saying that the basically they didnt like the what the describe as a condescending attitude of american officials should we should waste time it up as exactly that point or theres more to this new route between the americans and the new jerry its, i think thats part of it, but i think there is definitely more to this dentist to come to said the doctor to, i think ultimately, the crux of the matter is just choice of ministry partners. And specifically, the choice of russia for us clearly seems to be for straight to that is a, is moving closer and closer in terms of managing corporation and partnerships with the russians. And we saw that in the statement from is uh what they were saying was that the us were trying to the noise and drop it should have to to choose the ministry potters they wanted and the partnerships that started a partnership. And they wanted to pursue it. So i think thats ultimately what the problem is. Now pop, it may well be called a sending out to g, because that is a continuation of the type of language that we heard the media of the month of the crew. Last july, where is the gym to was consistently say, look, the french have essentially a near claim is at the church and weve had enough for being dictated to and similarly were seeing the type of language. Imagine youre getting way they prefer. I just called us and they got to change, but specifically i believe the attitude is when relation to then say, look for who not be dictated to me because have relationships with russia. Could be, if this is about russias growing footprint in africas high region, is this still an opportunity for the americans to build bridges with video qualities in asia about the need to maintain that part of the ship . One, understanding that political reality is changing and that the africans have the right to have different parts of the russia in particular. Yeah, i mean, the sounds, the policy of it well with the big enough ministration with the african countries thats been won a fucking issue. I believe that is what has been stated in practical them. So we have, uh, we all know that the focus of on the america and the northwest and countries have been on you agree. And that, that has allowed a lot of development and not very good, perhaps not. But so we want to go without the us. Sometimes even begun to take a note for the, for the blue, cultural. But i think this to an extent is what happened in new york. Um, it took us almost 34 months to declare what happened in new jerry cool. And just like um, previously because mentioned, even after declaring the geri pool, they remained open to discussing with the community, trained into which was a contradiction to what, what was presence as expected. But i think beyond that the fact that the lives of an electron yeah, in the us, the 5 of them for president beat in particular, he would want definitely to make actual case of the outcome of a dyslexia class. I would say unfortunately, development, it seemed, it seems to me that different, but do munition of b, u. S. Influence in new jar and in spite of the fact like you mentioned, they maintained an open relationship where they dont time kind of expect to be fixed by several of the top top of Us Government officials, if announcement is coming from the fee and its b, it indicates that on the other point that i think it goes to crucial to how do we play out if the relationship that has been be if reinforced that between the city and the talk to my country. So looking at 5, so money, find me, jo, are on the, is that russian or the industry countries . So all of these i think, and then im going to play a role in the outcome of how difficult and loved them. They doubt it. They did the americans, you know, in a way or another, up on the estimate. What happened in molly, which is interconnected with what happened in book in the past. So it should inter, connected with what happened in a, in these uh, the same problem of the same mistake made by the french. You know, i think that americans actually did lots of days to make that. So if you look at the, with the english language previous, it shows that the last week i mentioned, you took months before they put even things like the se cool. That has been lots of boss daughter conversation. Theres been lots of open conversation desk and lots of v 6. Actually most of the states are trying to land from their mistakes in the side, in the book and i am in and book it now. And of course in my life. And also you will find thats what i read to you as kids to actually be back in there plus times. They will continue to engage on your country to country basis on this time during the importance of the should to be a boy against ad. So the way you can tell what reason, so there is actually no on the information. I think there is all just a differential way of doing things by the minutes region to thats a calamity here. So last o um, itd be here. Yes. A lot of my me book, you know, im from the ship, which is a band on see what some fathers to and how about all the sanction foods, by the us actually did not prevent them from getting the french treatments this to go to print richmonds now the question is that weve been coming in no rush. Yeah. Which of course we continue to say that countries should be allowed to page, which will be one to fit should not be we should not, thats a point to our free test. Ill be happy to choose between the west to the u. S. For instance, all of us. We should actually have the opportunity to, to engage at whatever level and on whatever bases we want with these country or the realities. Also quite talk, youre talking best. Now lets see if we can model in terms of 5. Im great. So so just will be pull house eventually from the shit. When that happens, easy to stay long. Great. That this asked me to call this is able to provide that we do requests and whatnot. That would be not to do with all the Internet Security could challenge rich. Charles bought their implication for this. I have, i think this is actually because what we actually see. Okay, so as we see to you to close the west africa allow access to a 1012 was a turning point in the sense that groups affiliated with al qaeda. And i still decided to shift the prizes from the middle east to the so have region. The french decided to set up a process in molly and they were followed by many other countries that changed when the money and said we dont want it for the troops. The so everybody that indicates that tunisia now theyve been kicked off from the what does that mean for the future fight against these drugs . So i think its the 1st part before heading out on the head. I think this does leave is a and also because if i, so am all extremely exposed ultimately because i dont think that they have the capabilities to make up those numbers. When you push out one of those western troops. Um, you can see the intent to try and make up the numbers by forming a security pop between themselves and turning to russia. But i dont think thats going to make the short for as much as not in terms of numbers. Its such a, you know, in terms of capabilities because, you know, if you look at this new, a space, for example, variability to maintain surveillance across the hill, across a number of different competing situations in different folders across different groups. Thats assurance capability thats being removed and is not being replaced separately. Implication is that weve tightened the security situations going to the to right. Im in the chat, but then also it may seem to happen already indicated by so i did molly, and i think that its a ration will continue, can be it was don, made a trip pack, signed between them. Like heres an example of 2014 that paved the way for the americans to vote for more infrastructure, particularly in goodies and in the capital. And you want me to try to contain the going binds over the groups in the head of a beach and the american likely to further lose the fight against these um groups as they are denied permanent presence in a crucial place, such as news. Yeah, i think if thats really important, that we appreciate the fact that before the americans and the african countries that are affected by this, the dividends of this groups more or less, more than, you know, inclined to want to dress them, contain them all in the best i comes does get to read both of them and so there are 2 major issues that i would say my progress because did not mention. And this is the what we have seen in real terms. And i said with those things, the responsibility of failure all, all the problem issues like she in measurable terms, the interest of, of the country. And then of course, we depart mentioned that ive been, are, ive done this, its not, i would, i would say im not the region. If i be at the moment this i have, the region remains, in spite of despite them, they shipped me to send the support for terrorism in the world with several groups of academics in spite of digital version. So this question led to populating that of godaddy beaman for which they do not have the right it. Its also a little bit difficult to conclude, in spite of the fact that we all agree that what they are showing me in the goal of it with what to do, given the circumstances that there was a reason to say that there has been a detour, a reason and defective weak if that comes of us incident, the current. But if you get them to the time when partnerships were active, i wouldnt use the one to to a region. So point im trying to mean is it is a good time for a reality check for the types of mission, the types of agreement. And then of course, the objectives of the agreements, the public. Im going through the same that were not getting the best out of those agreements. I need to have the reason why it was the end of that by since then. Perhaps its officially and i want to emphasize this point, the 6 you reduce the car reform. Um, you know, a training support that has been coming on the different phones from western countries in africa. In reality, its very effective and i think this is the result of what we have seen in several countries, including the job. Okay. A diet in news. Yeah. A molly, i didnt book enough fossil the june to lead. As ive been saying that the reason why this set to the foreign troops to leave is a, basically because the fight against i says id add all the audit groups was not efficient to the contrary. They sold the pretense of full anti western sentiment. Spreading across the beach and which could have a huge impact on their own personal survival. Does that make sense to you in a way or now that was just part of the populace trend, which has been prevailing that i think we know parts of the police trend when you look at the test site from the gauge that was made with the, with keep in mind and theres nothing to have me substantial opinions that we have actually seen. What do you look at the book and at 1st with the numbers of people being cute, well, definitely increased less than 2 weeks. They both are way more than 150 people killed. The conflict itself is actually moving. Thats one frame that we should actually pick called me sensible, disliked these to cation of actors, the proliferation of the actors in 2012 who were basically just dealing with a miller. And then the other groups came in. Now were dealing with multiple books, see him or i so as g f, b, i chose to like multiple groups. We actually dealing with ben dislikes, keep moving stories there from the most of the country in places like looking at what it does actually move into the be spend book, you know, as well. So in real time, when we look at seats, its not to see there is actually substantial progress. We have slow get me, i mean, and were making a lot of results to know vigilance. The groups themselves, me so much huge Human Rights Violations begin cvb s huh. Okay alexis, this is an area that has had a long history of bad. Governors body is long cycles of drought. And now the presence of im groups which have further expand that influence from the tiny groups operating in an rules. And molly, all the way to posing serious flats to countries like go do floss and you go and getting a good at the moment of reckoning for the americans, all the new to reinvent the way theyve been dealing with these groups. I mean, so i would go so far as say, some moments of reckoning for the americans because i think its a huge country thats very incident in the way in which means to wells. And i think maybe they might reassess to some extent. But i dont think id go so far as to say if somebody went to reckoning and just to expand to the previous point that i made, would Say Something else that we havent touched on in depth has been for the fact that theres not just the partnership with western countries for them by the wayside. This countries are looking to lease a cost as well. So theyre not looking to what we offer compartments. They dont look at the chevy information, which is crucial. To bear in mind the relationship between these countries with the pores, both as a for example, the situation in june in terms of security is difficult to say the least the Security Forces arrive as stretched. And so were seeing problems in the northeast, which has been the case for more than a decade in terms of islamic states. And then also lastly, bulk of around whether thats at the main street. And then in the north west, we seem so to find that. So these criminal guns are roving and uncovering spaces. And when you see the groups, lets say im excited to the shop region, and then the so called bonded to bow freely. Now without for per um, communication between african countries. So then then were going to remove all of these problems and that will come if molly between if i so, and as i say the, lets say for top of openness to, to work for us to know what has been to nigeria and then they dont, can speak to us departments as well. Okay. Could be a. So weve reached this point, this critical junction where you have the knowledge, molly, news, your book enough also pointing out the from the g 5, which was instrumental in the fight against the insurgency threatening to pull out from the co us. What does it leave all the countries like movie tadja and child wish austin insisting we would like to be still part of the g 5. What does it leave the entire fight against these girls without further expanding that influence . A look frankly, in a very precarious circumstance. Uh, did you buy the good of that . Um, the major countries, i mean they had what else was in money uh there was planning to move it to new jersey and then of course the cool happened in, in july. So thats good. Other than that, um to our next dentist brought to him. What weve done deal with the regional corporation. Of course you have the multinational join tax spots that is in chat info. We ensure your daughters also have member and then of course them to as well. But in the fact that you have that wide, im giving a little that if its a helps vulnerable and so we travel really difficult to do lots of believe video effect, the multitude of groups that are operational. And like i said earlier on, this is more or less than send us, but for them to read the tentative and was at the moment. And then you have their regional incorporation. That meant to address that would call ups. And so thats a huge i need to think of the by the a core. And although ive like the you, as im the you need to come together. Im the 11 flexible option. Of course, its just turned into much electronic during tax was and then of course an increase the share in of intelligence. Thats all i think about the deal. I have the different on goes to, to discuss with these procedures can give you some short answers. It does a russia have all it takes now to take over and replace america and friends in the south region. No, you know, i think that the shed does not have even big geographical knowledge. The wrong knowledge of being in west africa on the side here, like the french or the us. Im the conflict. The security is actually too much for just one country with very small numbers to manage and by dads disadvantages. Essentially, i think the kind of places will give you a fridge that you see snobs. Its, its, its not going to be who for those countries on, for the rest of west africa, this is not the west african problem. Then the United States of america will spread as problems alexis, they may not have the know how though they have more incentives, more casual weapons to deliver to those countries. And also the success that obama, which is the off a couple of days of pricing in many parts of the region. I know im not going to have to sign the 3 incentives. I think the incentive for the west is that there was a concern that um the hell region will become a hot bed for instruction, things that might come and help them harden. So instead its mike coming into tax somewhere and you report in the us. I dont think much has concerns about the, what the russians would be looking to get out of these a relationships and they all catching is access to minimal resources that will access to gold. For example, the one access to diamonds. If a get hold of that, just, thats what they want and they can readily get access to the things that they want and make some money out to these endeavors. But they dont have the same incentive about princess group. I dont believe they say, ready for this type of attack, then over in russia, give a, do you see the potential for this have region west african countries to break away from traditional allies, full colonial powers, the american and americans and embrace more pots, associates with the russians and the chinese in particular, in the future. A yes, so unfortunately, and im being realistic, the current arrangement is not meeting the needs of some of these countries, and that is what the alliance of them on the street and even more countries of the we, we dont yet know what the outcome of the options by the would, would be if they see it as being successful, then of course more contribute to the atlanta let. Lets not forget that the economies of these countries where by 10, by included 19 and then the current site consensus of the world at the moment. And so the, i need of update, and if the west is not providing that data and are a china russia trying to do that, then of course theyre likely to do it in that direction. Mm hm. A diet. Any concerns head that group such as your mouth and its not what it was the mean lead by uh yeah, uh huh. They could take advantage of this situation along with the country, but my seen on the move south, east north i think thats just the reality. Features of america is that we just based on like a big system full measure in terms of the above and not enough supports you expect to see these groups from, from sam, my, all these groups to actually we are reserves with actually more Small Group People named paypal and these of the next couple of what the effects of imagining access. Weve been asking questions about what politicians think about this. Go to situations and ask you these questions and give me a very short answer. If you dont mind, what are people in africa thinking about all these latest developments . I think people lot please in support of the idea that we will not be dictated to. I mean, i think there is something that has been tapped into a popular sentiment about enough is enough, particularly the funds of freight project. And wed have to leave it that i really appreciate you inside the diet has that excess awkward durham could be a demo. Thank you. Thank you for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website at to 0 dot com for further discussion goes to our facebook page. Thats facebook dot com forward slash h a concise. Sorry. You can also do i have a conversation on x, a 100 is at a giant sized sleigh for me. How should my law and the entire team here, and theyll have to bye for now. The injustice for me is the driving force of why i do this to show people what its like to live in places where injustice isnt something you read in. 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