Community has an exemption to move to Service Going back decades. Now the defense minister says the need to adjoining the flight, but the kind of natural consensus beach on such a divisive issue and compartment as a benjamin that the government survive the 4. 00 from such a policy change. Were bringing all gas in a moment. First, this report from phantom on israel has cooled up more than 300000 reserve. Its for its more on gaza. But one group has always been exempted. Ultra Orthodox Jews make up around 13 percent of israels population. Theyre an exception to conscription and mandatory military service, but that could be about to change. A volume can i own . The immediate need arises for the expansion of military service for active soldiers and the port on gaston of reserve due to you for reserves. I mean, we deeply respect those who devote themselves to taurus studies. However, its vital to recognize that without ensuring our physical safety of spiritual legacy cannot be sustained. Exemption is a deeply divisive issue in israel. Ultra or adults activists protest against any move to make them in list. A Supreme Court ruling in 2018 struck down the exemption, but thats yet to be implemented by the government, the altar orthodox, a forcing them to fight would destroy their way of life. They want the people, the people to build their one and friends and they want us to be not religious with us. We dont mind the army but others believe the religious community is not doing its part. As reservists are cooled up to risk their lives and gaza, many say its time for everyone to serve or just stay for the service of 2 months and then going back further being few weeks. And again to many people. So my were country by low its difficult balancing. Act for is really Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. Gallons and others is coalition one change. But netanyahu also relies on ultra orthodox politicians to remain in power. The by i do, we will determine goals for the drafting of the ultra orthodox to the id f and National Civil service. And we will also determine the ways to implement those goals. We can reach that agreement without dividing the nation and without incitement against any members of the public. I am sure we can get disagreement with the majority in the capacity, but also one thing is clear to me that its impossible to obtain a total consensus. Miss smith is really, society could be on the brink of a major change one that could also consequences for the months while were on gaza inside the face of netanyahus government, benjamin l. Just sierra for inside story. Thats bring it, i guess in west jerusalem, professor, if from inbox president of the jerusalem is that youd force throughout to do an secuity instead of a keyboard, the political honest, and former comedies for the highways newspaper also in what do is to them. It also affects community, rob, im an executive member of the nets. You hold to a civilian organization that supports ultra office of jews. Subbing in the is riley ministry. What come to the program . But if i to, if im, the army is bracing itself for what could potentially become a long, long Political Ministry campaign in gaza. And for this, they need more soldiers to join more is of its the only way to do with now is to convince the hobby team to join the army. All the considerations ave enough to change the mindset of the Ultra Orthodox Jewish community. A a, the community is not tumbled daniels is out. This is definitely segments was in this community. So the more likely to accept the sound guy in the nation to serve as beads is the only disability of service and say, i dont understand the social question as well as the commercials coming from just the way. Go to just these leaves at no choice, but to integrate into these latest society or so by joining the minutes of the call obviously will not be bound to it and may be easily, i should think about the exemptions only to the best studying Good Students off the on the study of the is indeed a jewish manual. And then we have a, the probably was, they shouldnt say its a very small twins and not exempt from surveys. The same 3 french would be given to a much smaller than a number of us doing. So the issue our but yeah, they, me good the studies and the, the find the go much. Okay. But this is a pivotal moment. It is right out to the point where at a cost sharing of the beds and has become of the center stage of the political debate. Where do you see it moving forward . As well as the 5 said here, you have a very unique combination. If you like, all the timeline over the course of justice and also coming from is assigned to the quote, the emitter. So the friends, your guy that went out to the media to declare that he will not be part of the deception of the cold. And it is really people these very society as submitted. So the 1st, he knows this is what cannot actually afford security wise and socially wise, this inequality because were not talking about unit quality in the quality of life. Were talking about life itself literally is uh, quote is really oh yeah, is ready to risk his life seems about to be up there and who is exempted. And i think that the actually if we dont give us any credit for something, this is what they did to us in october service. This has set a clear message to these a society that there is no shouldnt be any difference between doing who serves the reserves, inc. Indian guys up and for 4 months missing is missing. His lesson said the university is a student all for a lot of a student of, uh, madison. And the student is she who is starting to show up. And i think the government is challenged. The 2nd, you know, like he did at the beginning home, the crisis over the judiciary reform. And i believe that he would go all the way with guns and i can quote the other above this over the college. She a raw by a hush. Well, how do see this whole debate . Is it a politically motivated debate, or it is about time for the altima off of those community to understand that the need to change for them to keep the society united. But i like that streaming. First of all i, i wouldnt give credit to come out for anything, but i think that of course the current score has raised this issue in a much more urgent way. Then before previously, before up to the 7th. The main issue about ultra orthodox integration that to israel was maybe the economic issue rather than the army issue because it was january. Hows that . We could have a small uh thought, taking the logic, the advanced army. And therefore, there wasnt really an urgent need for the integration of oliver orthodox young man into the idea. Now thats completely changed and everybody understands. There is an urgent need for this, and its not so much, politically motivated as socially motivated. Its about a very large parts of israels population, frequent up to 15 percent of israel. That generally doesnt do army service alongside of the issues of integration. But it is very important to understand that from the region, from the ultra orthodox perspective, this isnt just about we would draw the study to rock. This is about what the army back present for the author owes it up as a narrative around the army. And that this is ben good beyond the 1st Prime Minister of israel. So to basic purpose is full army service. One of the, of, of course is to defend the state to base route, but the other one is to serve as the melting pot. Busy creating full moldy and you type of is rated you, which is very different from the old exhibit european style too. And the author orthodox they wish to perpetuate they wish to maintain. And to continue on the traditional image off that you from what it was before the state of israel. And therefore they are extremely suspicious of the army in terms of not the defending. And then we need to leave the study benches of to restart the part of what will be due to due to the image about this to the image, but to the east thoughts of this heavy. The also it was that of young man. And this is something that requires building trust. Its load happened by collision. Conversion has been tried a little bit. Its about a decade ago. And it led to a large regression in also orthodox participation in the army. So collection is just not a good option. I think that can be yes. Good. Well go ahead. This month would be the quite long to just on time goes to cover here every time youve just heard about bios who are talking about basically the ultra Office Community willing to preserve a way of life, which has been the full generations and for them is important they believe it house protect the unit and the identity of the jewish people, but this skeptical of admitted to establishment, this skeptical to take a decision that might change their own way of life. How to respond to that. I think this is the best option as well. But it is a all of the aides, i want to be a citizen. So this statement on to the benefit form, the one that is a good days that sustains or gifts do in citizens. They must think about those. So in imaging bins, i think story, i am even the head the, the judge, the one difference is the i to go on. There are some kind of narrative so its the say. Ringback the nation without the sharing the bell. Nobodys nation. We all a nations that these uh, by our enables we, uh, we have good, secure with the needs and even the joins the benefits always are ending by deciding needs. They want to enjoy the benefits of o social services. They also want to share the bill and things they dont want. So the bill i want to not gives us the height to akiva they visited bait. Is there any concern that makes the creates mobility divide within the society to the point where sometimes for example, people have been the media when he was talking to people on the streets in intel, avoid jerusalem. And people with basically saying we cannot afford to see funeral just in certain neighborhoods, not on the other side of the city of the what are the things basically to alter, alter the Community Neighborhood where people are exempted from it. Its a service. Yeah, actually this issue is crossing political and even saucer an economic lies. I think thats the vast majority of the, the is right. Not only 2nd or not, but also the zine is also dogs believe in equality. And the fact that as a remedy issue ill mention is, well, should be investigated. Boy is a sill part of it as well as us. And its important to remind the viewers that to, in 20, to 30 years, we might see also books almost majority lives were just like, cannot survive, was out as strong as we saw right now. No global savings. So its not just a matter of a low a quality and then everybody has to says and there is no, theres 2 ways out. But this patient, oh no, but thats what dissipation was out. Succession, its a matter of his last existence. We talk to 60000 young people who are exempted in their judge people. So why in the go uh, in your oh well you my great grandfather. So who was it read by . So the pressure army and you know, he, a lot of the same outfits as he was all the dogs in mass. Oh, really jerusalem. But he was listed and he had to serve his country, left alone to serve the george country. I think that it should consider good big privilege and i sort of i yeah, sure is doing was uh uh, his unit. Uh, hes supposed to get this possible to be a good jew and a good soldier. Okay. But i buy a so uh, i want to ask you this question if you dont mind or do you believe because they have it in the Community Seems to be pretty much a fund. This is coming from the Ministry Establishment asking them to change a way of life. What if the rob, by the high. Busy the religious authorities decide one day, its about time for the hobby day to join the army. Would that be on its own enough to make this Seismic Shift that these writers are looking forward to see happen . Well, its would be enough to say the however, its important to realize that changes within the ultimate orthodox well generally does come from the rep danika, stablish mother authentic establishment sees its role as prison. I think and conserving that which weve been doing for all these many centuries, wild changes often come from the field. And in this case to the fact that there is already an author orthodox battalion in the idea which doesnt represent the main stream of out for orthodoxy. But rather more of the periphery, but the fact that it exists is not something that the rabbis created bought. That was it eating rabbi that gave his permission. And also his definitely going to see a trend of also orthodox entry into the army. Its where people bottom up from the field and then well receive rabbinic authorization over panic, acceptance rather than being led by the rabbis. I think that the discussion here, which has mentioned that demand based on equality needs to be softened a little bit because absolute equality is never possible. Even today, the religious soldiers that stuff less time in the idea then secular. So just and of course there are many secular individuals who will that then 70 idea how many different units and types of duty and the idea. So it really, we should be looking for me. Absolute equality. But if you look at some of the religious millions of scientists calls for also orthodox engagement with the idea rather than absolute equality, its a call for responsibility. With together here, where a unified nation, you need to step up to take that responsibility. And responsibility can also be differentiated. We can leave a certain percentage in the us here, but then thats how many different categories and others can enjoy the idea on different levels. Okay, the more we have participated in different types of units, whatever it is, the greater the um, the, the, the identity with the id f as with is oh and then things will become easier as time goes on. As im, lets try to im, im back where do keep play is now it is wide stand when it comes to the exemption issue is concerned. You, ive got on them and this has to happen. Then the guns is on board 5 minutes to benjamin. Nothing. Yeah, how seems to be in the most extremely delicate situation. How do you explain the situation to all of us . To be aware of this is also a competition for who is going to be the next 5 minutes and the age while position sits in the best that wins is ability, you know though to be able to be really into what does it next go. So. Busy its not just a question of. Busy principally in this situation. So ill be able to go through the lectures, complicate as a show and make it more difficult to sort of day and age. Where is the guy that wants to be private as does it to in the video watch the video to be blind, but its still as well as go. So. Ringback im not sure what was a stays the guns and so it needs to go easier a they need c c mole there to make sure. Busy okay, this is a go. Oh, thats really good. I keep i is this an indication of that to you . Ive got on one got on once to see Prime Minister. Hey larry h as in bought us to in the near future because he does understand like anyone else, but theres absolutely no way for nothing yahoo to say yes, i am on board knowing that he would lose the most important block in his coalition, which was basically the all trouble for those as well. I say that to go on to hes in a position that hes doing if he does a dooms, if he does not, he doesnt want to be part of another attempt to tell the high codes of just these, some falls pre sizes that we can heavy both ways and we would reach some kind of another combination was the old oh to dogs that day they wouldnt be able to save a few lines. Is photos of the bluff . He also was this probably in the next elections. He was not be the candidate to be the minister of defense since he was also and he agreed to i liked it on how he took responsibility for the blunder of october 7th. So he hasnt got much that was short of his dignity, and he is rich, be attention. Thats an honest politician and a former major general. And hes also talking to his media and he knows better than everybody else. That as i said before, we need those people to 70 i and i wish that one day we will also have these ready out of the 48 by the student is being bought. Both our defense forces. Ok. A lot by hers. Well, ill be listening to you basically saying that the 2nd does have to understand who we are, where do we stand and they have to be appreciative of our own historical concerns. Now you have your own organization, which is fine to integrate the ultra office of jews in the Ministry Establishment. Do you believe that this could be the moment for you for the have with them to, to move a step forward for the sake of bridging the divide with the, with that with that with the 2nd with 2nd us. But i think that absolutely this, this must be a time to step forwards because we must not step backwards. We cannot go back to october 6th. We cannot go back to the boys of the jews among themselves and without some kind of resolution of this issue. We run the danger of taking a step back to the pre of to the 7th day, and that is an impossibility for the sustainability of israel. Now how do you take that step forward is a delicate question and i think it requires you to understand it on both sides. Of course, its up to the canadian to be its the opposite with it all to be able to take a step forward and, and grace to some degree. The greatest story of the state on is right. Yes, were a part of it. Yes, we want to be responsible and also i think a frightful one of you either guess it. Its amanda, that this needs to be a privilege. Ill tell you which way we are now standing at the moment where the state of israel is really society is going to be re constituted. This is a, a seminal movement for the state, the visual. And i think that the onto the dont want to be there in taking that responsibility and playing a role in the re constitution of the state of israel clearing the role requires responsibility. I think its possible thought needs to be understood that this is the process. Its not a one night fixed, that would be an impossibility. You might be agree, its a process and it will go, you know, it needs to be advised, but as far as that, now gentlemen, if this stays the same, theres no consensus about the exemption, right . What happens next for as well, a political deadlock government collapses will just be this. As usual. You may be a government of the crisis and the, i know the people initially and there is a one to the new election. So i may. Busy need to get to the know a, this is obviously a possibility. So just because of this situation i a o z is. Busy with the dogs, with a makes uncle of mines is because they dont want to know. Is this going to issue this one nation is the best the was a get a little, you know, i dont sickly. Mm. The brochure of the society and is a stick. You know, that goes with the like say, accept all the i keep the they, they, they, they, they all top off of the little make us tried and failed to bring about, and the dislocation that would present that can that exemption forever. The Supreme Court also avoided the load i was planning to waive the draft of the ultra orthodox. Could it be the Supreme Court, the ultimately would have to have a say in the near future is actually this guy size, who is the, is with the consolidation uh that was produced by an attorney. Oh. And hes gang on the basis of the democratic rules and respecting the judgements off the high court. But i want to add to the discussion. Why dont say i also would like to see the alter the community and the orthodox for the dishes. So i think the piece process, because if you want to make sure that we dont need so many soldiers, we need to have peace, ultimately as to how fortunately, the old adult spot is that a politician have left the either the option of correlation. Where is the, is where the center left in order to reach an agreement with the senior on a 2 state solution. Youve called heavy both ways. You want a big. What you need is peace, uh, have a run by it which was in 20 seconds. Please. Can you respond to okay, about 20 seconds while thats what it has. So let me just congratulate you and your team. I find you very well prepared, so well done for the preparation and in response to a key, you know, the orthodox are generally inclined to believe in peace through strength. Its true that they need towards the right, but that doesnt preclude the possibility of other co relation. On the 4th of time, gentleman a biased about a kid by the professor. 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