Hello again, im james space. Im the is intensifying an hour of nations and among the asper israels relentless foaming of civilians in gauze. What . 2300000. 00 palestinians around the siege with a vital supplies cut off. Thousands of being killed or injured. Many of them children, one in Talk Community is already refugees to be left homeless. No one is being sped. Hospitals, you and shelters, churches, and residential areas, both flat and vice variety of tasks. As the deputies step istation continues us president joe biden, and your leaders have reiterated the support for israel, having demonstrations and supposed to policy means far and wide, many expressing anger the west solar dorothy with israel, despite the brutal bombardment and thousands of casualties, arab countries protest reflect the searching out and get israels own. Slowed all correspondent, some a bunch of age centers. This report from a demonstration in june the this is the road which leads to where z is really border and like every friday for the last few weeks, people have been coming here to protest against what they call is really aggression. This is a country which is home to more than 2000000 palestinian refugees. So what is happening in cause and in palestine . People here are directly affected. They either have relatives or friends or others who are actually inside the charge fee, which is just a few kilometers away on the other end. And it is not just here in the jordanian capital, from cairo to muskets from the around to a month. People have been coming in this thousands to protest against what they called. Its really aggression. Again, sidney is it not just angry at israel, but theyre also angry at the International Communities ive, their leaders have been with they see that they have not done enough to stop the violence that has been continuing for weeks. Now people are saying that this also is the only avenue that they have to show that they are actually angry, that to show that they are actually concern and they cared about the people who are being effective. This is also become part of this process. It was a couple. 1 times when they were to play or songs, and the late at night it would become is some the solidarity and support where they were a child prayers. So this is happening all across the middle east. These protests are taking place where the International Community im the are both seem to be on very different ends with the best and powers that be attending at our country. The dish should exert pressure to on how nice to try and release. Busy the president stop a tax base here. So there is a consensus that needs to be a cessation of hostilities for israel. That needs to be an aide that needs to be allowed in. And the people who are hurt and injured a need to come out of the occupied territories for inside story. Im something ive been driving the the. Well, thats bringing to a pile of gas to discuss all of this further we have. So how long theres an independent, Political Consultants who specializes in the middle east, the north africa, shes joining us for and by we also have tomorrow been halim, a trustee, and co signed the policy and Rights Organization become. She joins us from the dread and run the cory is distinguished public policy, follow the American University of a root. He joins us to date from boston. A welcome to all of you. Well, were seeing protests all around the, the are a breach in jordan, the egypt to nicea iraq, lebanon, syria, cats out today, the westbank. Can i 1st maybe ask you tomorrow about this . Im going to ask you about adverb opinion, but we cant really generalize arrow the opinion. Come. We were talking about 450000000 people. There are 22 countries in the arrow key, but its pretty set to say the mood is very angry. Yeah, i mean, rightfully so, you know, i think um, i wanna, i want to be careful about how our ends are always kind of characterized as, as angry arabs. And im sure thats what you meant by, by western media like, you know, we have a right to be angry. Were frustrated, were devastated. Were in despair. We are broken. How do we have to distinguish though, between the countries with protests, are spontaneous and the other countries where you cant have any protests of tool and countries where protest tend to be organized as being a, a day of raging egypt. But it was partly organized by the government of egypt. Thanks, james. Uh, thank you for having me. Uh yes, and i think that to a large extent, we time the generalized to say that the region is people and i would argue, and fleet, as while across the arb states have suddenly decided to publicly cool and uh, you know, i call out the, in special community and as well and say there is a line, there isnt line this level of violence, this level of, of, of anger is indicative of how, you know, this is not happening in the back q. Its also happening on the back of not just the ad spring but decades and failed the policy to address the palestinian cools and the issue related to states. So the Self Determination of the palestinian people. Some of the states that have large and high levels of oppression and will retiring as im seeking to try and in taking these pre tests, we have a list of protests in egypt, for example, that would be sanctioned. But weve already seen today, protests of converge them upon me. Then at the height of the square, the old center of the, of the hour of spring voice show which day assessing the projections and other parts of the country at these marches have decided to converge upon very symbolic sites for themselves. So there was a level of attempting to contain this, but across the board, i think youre seeing a back class, no, just against National Policies and dealing with is round and engaging with this conflict. But also written lots of why the message to the west that the i of 6, the unified, there is a red line rami um, you and i have discussed the sort of issues before that been full previous cause of was i think weve been discussing doing those was before and i remember 2006 discussing with you the situation, the war on level and how when you look at the context, how different that was, this will its different. The 2 sons is one, the, the nature of the mass attack, whatever one thinks of the assets up with, if its something you should or shouldnt do with a spectacular political statement. And the statement to people on, on the region is that the palestinians are not helpless and they will not live down and roll over and actually have some that are on the disappearance from history. And its also important of the level of the fence that they passed on issue is not a global issue near the front burner. Again, its fascinating to see how people all over the world, including the us on the buttons are focused on post on. Much of the western focus is i guess the power steering ears and for the israelis and the rest of the world is mostly for the palestinians. Are equal rights between israelis and boston is, but the chief point i want to make, you know, is that we know today which we didnt know 20 and 30 and 40 years ago. And some of the things happened who we know today what the majority of our people think from pulling on social media other things. So the reality is that the vast majority of, of the do not want to have mammal relationship as you israel and reject these really policies until theres a palestinian state and then were prepared to live in peace with them. So the for this month to month is critical of israel likely and will this kind of thing happens . Im much of the west support is really blindly. You get this spawn pain is the russian, which is a routine, a normal, but very sincere but time or most of these are leaders well prepared to go along with the us strategy. Why are they not in the region . And the us strategy was ignore the palestinians. Go round the palestinians, do piece deals with with, with individual out of countries and try and ignore the palestinian problem. Leave the palestinian palestinians in a ball docs. Well, that may have been the case, but thats not the case anymore. And i think that thats been demonstrated by the hundreds of thousands of protesters from by that the tools and how to add to the bought to, to old corners of the, our world and the arms of course, and the destro everywhere across the globe. And i think, you know, we can see that uh, although theres always been a huge disparity between governments, between leaders and their policies towards policy time and israel and the actual sentiment on the, on the street towards palestine. I think, as it always says, the vast majority of arabs have always stood with palestine. It is unquestionable thing. It is in our hearts. It is in our minds and in our souls from when we are born. It is an automatic thing that is not something that just as is some kind of intellectual theoretical thing. Um and i think that what weve seen most recently with jordan cancelling the summit with by then a few days ago is that the sheer amount of pressure from the streets has seems to have certainly played a role in pushing leadership in places like jordan and elsewhere. To think about how theyre going to approach this issue and to think very carefully and then to remind people to remind our leaders that we are not willing to sacrifice palestinians on the ground and palestinians because i have so can i ask you a question . Not as a political, political analysts, but as someone whos speaking to a lot of people in arab countries, i mean, what is the emotional response to getting from people to a situation where the, the, the fatalities in gaza on now. So many mold in 2014 is well over that its approaching 4000 now. Of the, the official auction latest report says, the killing a 60 percent higher than in 2014. What are people telling you about that . So i think the best way to describe it is a situation between visual and, and, or was, you know, a parent alex is the fia, the anger standing from the consecutive messages and statements that were getting from officials in the west. So, you know, without disrespect with respect, i should say every time somebody from the us government, older purchase government will the e, you speaks in social media, private conversations, broadly speaking across the region, including in the gulf states which i think ive been less engaged on this issue and in the sort of more historical sense of the owner as before. Oh, really, really just, you know, its a combination. I think of a lot of anti american sentiment that has been very prevalent since 911 such a big problem since the morning iraq and is culminated in the various calls of was that weve seen as well since 2006. And on the other side, a must have pendulum swing to a promise to be a fit for what comes next, whether youre in, let them know on whether youre in the gulf states and the question of iran looming. The question of 3 problems, conflicts, different stages of how this Ground Invasion will um, will, will develop. And then of course, the very real and i think for the 1st time really internalized fear in the neighboring countries, particularly egypt and jordan, that these really policy is to occupy an amex because of strep. Possibly parts of the west side as this prolong is if it is such a long war as these ready officials according full. And well panic because, you know, a lot of the Security Architecture in this region is really built upon the United States. As the backup upsets and you know, the benchmarks of security be at the georgia peach tree to camp david and all those that they were read lines. And i think now this panic from the leadership to the very street that these red lines may be complete impending. And what can we do . What tools are that for us . And really, the only tool that arabs, you know, that the people in the region know how to utilize is that voice. And, you know, beyond just being contained in sites and my machines, i think were seeing a color, lessing, virginia, a regional policy, and the voices from the street on this issue most in terms of the i got at the west, but also in terms of the fear of this escalating into a broader regional conflagration. Lets examine some of the countries which are closest to this around me. Can i start with jordan, which has a piece deal with israel in 1994 . I want to go back even further back than that because some of the scenes ive seen this week remind me of august and september 1990. Shortly after Saddam Hussein invaded kuwait, i remember the protest then huge protest. I think the drilled a new, multi word of the time king who signed thing up till this fall, but was in power. And in the end, he decided not to join the international coalition. It completely changed. I think jordans policy wasnt a factor in changing jordans policy. Do you think this is going to change the way the jo damian king thinks about things. I dont think thats going to happen this time. No, im back then i was in jordan and i to hurt. And so the missions from iraq going or the rock, its going overhead into palestine. And as you know, this time is very different. I think the, you know, were dealing with pass and find almost the human eyes. Our citizenry is they have no political rights. They have few economic aspirations that they can achieve. Theres no mechanism jumped accountability or serious political participation. And theyve tried everything. And if you go back over the last 10 years, the weve had this amazing, beautiful uprising of cost, almost every country, not quite, but almost every other country. Not just a context against the government, but tried to show up the government and get something better. And none of them really werent doing this work as soon as it worked a lot on our during the fall them the so weve got a rising tide of photography. So no, i dont think the public scientists are gonna impact their leaders much. Theyll do what theyve always done, make small, little symbolic gestures. By the way, i flip charts from the meeting with barton was a huge mistake. And by the guy you want to sit with unexpected him. Why . American policies so dangerous both for the region and for have countries on for the world. And they should not have casual that they should have met with them and told them whats going on. But let me just add one critical point that i think help us understand. Theyve sent them other people all over the region. Michigan, clarified by the last 4 or 5 years. Weve seen very clearly a shift in how the out, the other fellows going to use the region. Im slowly, slowly, people around the world. Look at israel. Its now seen more frequently as a circular colonial, a part time state. This is very important to understand, and this is what links Public Opinion to the most people were calmer by the british. The french, occasionally other people. And they still feel calmer of the west by their own political leads. And in some cases, so support and powerless time is seen as the most available maybe not effective, but most available lambs, but ordinary or anywhere can be part of an empty cool struggle that goes back. Gears is what these areas are doing. A guess is what theyve done was just imagine wednesdays and thursdays. Were just trying to push the post and use out of time. They know im struggling with the jewish summer groups or then as ram is making design the state. This is unbelievable. That is still going on the west. Why dont we support what israel is doing . Im the only thing the pressure you can do is drop this this and you see it right clearly. Last one i think theres. Ready additional credible statements, everybody in the world, the local brochure on touching drivers is finding a petition and theyre putting their name to a statement professional, political groups, universities. Theres thousands and thousands of declarations of people all over the world are decisive. Israel in the west on supporting the palestinian rights. Im essentially asking for equal rights between the israelis and palestinians, not the destroyers real but to have equal rights. And so this is a very profound, a new development, which wasnt there before expect to be explained by social media. So we need to understand the deeper drivers of the new surface manifestations of what people really feel, but also recognize that they have no capacity to change our politics. And then theyre searching for at least to be able to keep expressing their views. Let me bringing hops on some of those comments. Youve heard that from that remy. Rami says that it was in his view. It was a mistake to cancel the summit with bite. And one of the others that was going to attend that summit was president c. C. U r. Amongst other things and next or on egypt. How do you see the junction response . I mean, we had a 6 to state lincoln given the lecture by presidency. See about the plight of the palestinians. Is 8. He said it was what had happened was the result of accumulated fury and hatred of 4 decades of what, whats your view on how present cc is being influenced by the egyptian straight . Thank you. So im a couple of points. I actually disagree with the all me on the question of the summit, particularly with hindsight, when we now know and had what President Biden said in, in israel when he met with the with prime minister. Nothing. No. I think that it would it become with or without the hospital and, you know, the hospital bombing, which of course, made it completely untenable. Very clearly off the 6 days of shuffle, diplomacy from sex, shes state lincoln. We havent had any Real Progress on shifting the american position. And i think that actually it would have put even more pressure domestically on the countries, the particularly jordan and egypt. And thats a lot in color Spending Authority need the food i bought through his berry and baffled the im in the west bank. I think they would have an incredible pressure on men domestically like to know the protocols of palestinian rights on the palestinian cause itself. So i disagree with that point to your question on egypt specifically. I think theres some, yeah, a couple of things to unpack that i think is very important. Hey, one, president c. C. In this regard on this question, not just the security with throughout the whole during the call, the strip, but also on the why the question of egypt decades on policy, on this issue is very much a military bishop. This is not president tc developing policy. You know, not fully on his own. He is void certainly by wide public support for the positions that have been put forward. Egypt has grown more a most supportive of the president statements, at least in this window. This issue as the west continues to portray this now to the egypt blocking the opening of the egypt as preventing a from getting in because it has some issue on, you know, of the population and so on and so forth. My displacement and the directions have been able to enjoy not just a domestic sub full time, the defendants name, i should say, would also why the regional so cool. Theyve been supported in public statements by King Abdullah in jordan. I the, i mean and the by the sound, the leadership by the talk is leadership. That there will be a collective stand against this question of mac does things with which we should add these res, have regularly said they want to see instead of a building. And so its a 100 the, at the same time the president is looking to die brought to attention to him. Um, as even though weve had to contain protests, not only have we seen protest reached for you today, weve seen the same top similar charles for bread, freedom, social justice on the streets of cairo that we all give. We havent heard in 131213 years, which is a really remarkable shift. And both of these read regimes, both of these leaderships and cutting cairo and, and im on having to that. So with the fact that they all relative, that they all fragile the quite a popular economic situations at home and massive and then matter how much they try to sustain and contain these protests, there is going to be some food outs and spill over the directly talk its been at the moment on the palestinian issue on the question of been off a hold up presidency. C is well supported at home. Well supported, Womens Ministry operates as well supported with is intended as operators. And i think it should, i should. It was pointing out that across the board, there is a level of both surprise and growing and at the United States in particular for the broad west and response, especially as this bombardment has increased this inability to get any movement on a weve had 54 to 5 separate statements from century state lincoln to spokesman at the white house to president bond again on the question to fill out the hooting and humanitarian aid. And its, its quite spectacular. But to now weve had no security guarantees that convinced the egyptians. But the aide staffing situation and citizens on both sides all safe and secure if the border was to be opened a time. Or if i could ask you, now im the point that i have so made that about fluff fragile governments. Do you think theres a possibility some of the lead these leaders are gonna start getting worried that some of these protests could endanger them, that all the concerns, but well, well, well, well be swept up in this. I dont know. Honestly, the answer is i dont know and, and i just, i just want to take the last kind of couple of minutes i have cuz i know my connection hasnt been stable to actually pick up. What has this point about the egypt does not feel that its concerns have been a, you know, a dealt with or, or listen to in terms of that if they open, the border of palestinians will be safe. One of the steps towards committing genocide is the 1st removal of people. We have to be talking about this situation as an impending is not an actual genocide. This is why i was on the streets, people around the world, Young American jews who are looking capital hills entrances, a people all around the world for us. The is nomic and our world in the global south and in london and in madrid and elsewhere. And in paris, when the bottoms of protesting for palestine are standing up because we are seeing a crime against humanity the this time against humanity unfolding in front of the very eyes where the, the well, let me, let me quickly at the end bringing rami the only help that we have off, im sorry, i know im not signing up and so the people have to stand up and the arabs understand this. We understand rami rami very quickly. Last question to you. This will have to be a teaser for a future program because its all the program to discuss on this, but Public Opinion and 11. And thats a complicated one, isnt it . Because, you know youve had the baby bum boss, youve had economic crisis on the west crisis, anywhere in the world spiced in recent years. There are a lot of people there who are very worried about the war spreading. He, i was 11 out for like 25 years and its a very peculiar place and they have suffered more than any other country. I think from the higher because really conflict. But also they have develop the only force that has ever deterred the israelis and forced them into a truce along is really loving his border, which is above 11. Is a patchwork of 6. Terry in groups is not a very clearly integrated strong country. 100, of course its become obviously shattered. So its not a normal config and even on laws like jordan or egypt, iraq or, or others. But it remains an important country because of the presence of his butler as well as links with some other things like that. And so we need to keep our eye on that. I want to make one less segment was time cost as 1. 00 a for cost as the generates massive spontaneous and recurring demonstrations all over the world. Climate change, likewise matter or no racial justice. And because im me to women, drugs and palestine, those are the fair clauses that run out of global clauses. And we see it now this week as we just heard. So we, people have to understand what this means, not just for the, for the a global south. And this really must be seen and a colonial have the colonial complex because thats what were witnessing website. Thank you very much. Indeed, we must look at 11 and again on another program, but thank you very much to our panel tank stole, ill guess how so hello tamra, then holland and run me cory. A really interesting conversation if you want to see it again, the programs always Available Online to find it go to a website, which is there a dot com. What do you make of todays conversation . 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