Charged more in terms of numbers in terms of states done with some of the western countries, or in a sense, uh the, started out at the, in the west and in the, in the, in the south, as its called nowadays, and the developing world is clearly was about to start and i think is the Public Opinion in europe. And the United States is turning more and more in favor of fighters find out against israel. Throw that is especially because of this very particular, rather extreme is really the government. It is no surprise that the governments in europe woo as stick a stand in support division against what they call as about 10 or sections. But i think the response from best the world would be quite different and would be more cautious, more sober. And thats, we probably different, of course, called for the, you know, more economists on software. But the question for much of the out of the most of the world where it is rarely situated, its not getting you to explain them east and the grid that release. The question of kind of style remains to be today by the absolute majority of people as the last loan you, the last, secular colonial example of things that has passed by the french and the british and the 4th disease and the spanish and english and so on. So for dr. Dania, this is the last colonial circular, colonial example that has to end, and its kind of just mutating on our part a system with a party to south africa has also ended. So the international communities, a response is not patterson, london, and washington. Its something completely different and reset thing. They have learned the lesson that you create to your guest bathroom guys. And if youre allowed reason, i just wanted to clarify a few things here because also how much and it spokesman tends to have kind of a cavalier interpretation, quite loose interpretation of International Law and the so for this investment community, right there is a very strict International Law effect the question of taking hostages civilians as hostages. And of course, i mean civilians and that, or is that most also theres a very clear line there and we cannot just, you know, keep throwing both sides of the story that does what does not justify how much session thats beside the point. Because this is the 4th, i want to try to make the keep an eye on your other guest. Have been making much of the morning. What does this all mean . So we, yes we are talking about or why are they taking hostage regardless of whether its legal or not. I dont think this is certainly very little. We need to understand the mindset of those leading this very particular attack from god and they are 2 people. And peters, lets Pay Attention clearly to what were saying. Yeah. There is. Yeah, yes. And why . Who is the mouse in god . And there is some of these who is the leader of the military army. How about us . Thats basically taking care of this sort of operation that fits you to these 2 people that represent the entire mass of trash or the steadfast base and drama thats pulled guys out and thats for the drug. But yeah, yeah. So you are who not released from us and hence leads. This operation was only like a few years ago to lead time us. He spent 22 years in his really presence 22 years of his life. And was there any presence . And how was he released because he was condemned to life in prison. He wasnt released. This is an exchange prisoner and a person that exchange with these red when, how much have them actually been . Is they the soldiers and guys and for many years funded by his release, what it was, how much they bought to it to get is read through nice more than a 1000, but a city and Political Prisoners including yeah, yes or no. Uh yes, and a lot of never forgot that its been out now for more than a dozen years. And i think its clear for him thats the only way that he could secure that it nice all. Tens of thousands of thousands of palestinian prisoners is still taking hostages. In order to force is read into another. But as those exchange, the other guy, dave, who is again raising the operations his been on that is really ours. For many years, he was subjected to attempt to assess technicians 4 times. And one of them led to the death, the beginning of his daughter. And his son is made the son separately. He never forgotten that since 2014, he like many palestinians, have much spent the vitals and anger against his right. These 2 men to they are leading the operation. That how much is getting a gauge . I guess those are, are very present. Much of the sentiment and much of the life and tragedy of palestinians under occupation, whether its in gus up or the occupied was back in the non for that. Not that im doing the independent senior seduce. Ive had been living and visited for some 7 decades. Most people, they thought they decided to justify what they do, basically that, that national law, or, you know, for those to what the International Community likes with that sounds like theyve been living when that occupation for more than fit 5 decades. Theyve suffered huge traumas. Their family members, given this for decades in prison, and they are taking what ever measures as he can in order to end is as ill condition. Okay, so now more one to try out is there a senior political analyst . We have uh just, were just getting through a statements coming through from the is rarely Prime Minister. I believe this is the 1st statement from him so far and he says we are who and we will when that is the is where the Prime MinisterBenjamin Benjamin netanyahu saying that in a statement just coming through on the news wise for us. Lets go now to say, now hold on, whos in southern lebanon . Say now im coming to you because weve just had in the last few minutes, the statements from his bullet took us through what exactly it says and, and uh what, what you think it means really as well. This is the 1st response to the how much does military chiefs call early this morning for arms groups and 11 on to join the fighting with his route. Lebanons hezbollah as an ally of from us in that statement is express support to the palestinian people, as well as the palestinian arms groups at war with his route. It also says that it is in direct contact with the homeless leadership and that there is corporation. Now these, like i said, these 2 groups are allies, so it wouldnt be, it wouldnt be a surprise that there is ongoing cooperation. But at the same time has the last stop short of saying whether or not its going to join the fight. What it did say is, is assessing the situation. It also, um, you know, there was an implied stress if you liked to the israeli government. Telling me is really government understand what has happened. Understand the implications of what happened today. So strong words, but stopping short of whether or not has probable joined the fight is not an easy decision for hezbollah to open a new front from 11 on southern border with as well. Because yes has well as arsenal has grown since the last 4 in 2006, hezbollah has more, more weapons, more advanced the weapons of the precision guided missiles that can hit the hearts of as ray, the cities. And as well as even, has even warned them stressing that its troops will take the war to as well, and the Battle Ground will no longer be just some other level not. But as well can also, pers, this country as well, can also destroy lebanon. And there are groups in 11 on Political Parties who do not support has beloved, who do not support it as well as actions and who believes that this is not lebanons war. Ok, thank you for that to say no hold of that for us as we can. Uh, i mentioned uh Prime Minister netanyahu. Uh ryan saying uh his response to the events of this morning. Lets have a listen in more detail to what he had to say. Morning launched, surprised attack on as well since the hours of the voting account. Unfortunately, he seemed to have missed wed gotten caught the tail end of that statement, but what i can tell you is that Prime Minister netanyahu some of the statements we are at who nothing the operation, how much has launched a murderous surprise attack against the state of israel and a citizens, i ordered festival to cleanse the supplements of the terrace would infiltrate to the audit launch scale mobilization of reserves enemy will pay a price he has never known. Okay, lets go to a ton of eve. We can speak to nary zuba, a journalist, and list on middle east politics. Hes also an adjunct fellow of the washington institute. We are a living through history by now unprecedented times your reaction to the events this morning as well. My reaction is one of the surprise and this in a really, at the strategic failure of these really Security Forces and these really intelligence apparatus to, to predict and for see a large scale, surprise, attack light come off. So under took now, 5 hours ago. We know that it came across the border in pickup trucks, in some cases it went through the air in hank lighters over the border into is really committees. And it came through the c. Uh, and there were dozens of locations inside is really communities of firefights and even likely hostage taking and killings in that for right now, we know that there are still 8 ongoing live spots, including 2 is really military bases. Were firefights car ongoing between is really Security Forces and how much notice and again, this is 5 hours after the surprise attack launched by it from us. And as, as mentioned earlier, thousands of, uh is really Military Reserve is have been mobilized already. And so this is what i fear is only the beginning of a Long Campaign both by this roman by how much. Yeah, i believe you, youve actually managed to speak to the members of space span of the as rarely on the, i mean, what more can you tell us about this operation on screwed as well . He was very coy in terms of giving actual data in terms of how many, how mos militants actually crossed into israel. And the exact specifics of is really casualties and also hostages. Taken back into gaza. We know those exist both these really casualties on the ground and also hostages, whether dead or alive taken by the some of the militants from inside israel, back into garza. So in and of itself. This is a likely a strategic event. We should emphasize that a strategic event that will not, and weve seen in previous rounds with gaza in a day or 2 or 3 or even uh, back in 2021 in may. 11 days. My fear is that this is only the beginning. Like i said, and that will escalate. And that right now is if theres a problem, Prime Minister said they are working to, to clean it is early territory proper of from us. No, its, its an operative and thats still ongoing. And then uh, what is likely to happen is that the is really military will, will go on the offensive against the mouse and does it. And what do you think that means exactly when, when they say, oh, we are full, this is not an operation. I mean weve, weve seen them pound dogs that before. I mean, what, what are the options, do they actually have as well, uh, wed obviously seen the visually military, uh, talk cause a, quite, fortunately in the past. But it was always the case even predicting at yahoo it, it definitely with netanyahu in the decade plus in cs return to power. That these, the grounds with us as are called, has been closed apart from 2014 relatively quickly and the missing yahoo except for one case of the limited ground offensive, has refrained in the strait himself from actually launching a full scale offensive into the gaza strip on the ground, my fear is that now given the likely heavy dep tool on these really side as well as the likely heavy number of hostages taken from israel proper into dasa. That the is really military and is really government rather politically and also in with terribly. And also to here usually will have really no choice. But to launch a full scale round operation into the gaza strip, to really try to root out and undermine how mazda is military power and possibly its a great and political hold on the gaza strip itself. And obviously that grip is now what 16 years are in the making. And going back to this hostage situation. Uh, what do you think the objective is that well, we know, uh, as the previous guy said that its been a long term from us. Uh, goal to either uh to capture i, theres really soldiers civilians in terms of having a prisoner slot, a bargaining of israel. The hostages in return for posting and prisoners is really jails. Uh that is which from us leader. Yes, he is more. Thats how he was released several years ago in a prisoner exchange. One is really soldier in return for a 1000 come us another policy and militants and prisoners being held by israel. And so now if you just extrapolate those numbers, if were talking about at least several and perhaps even more doesnt. And so theres really possibly just, again, whether dead or alive are being held by how much this is already a order of magnitude greater um and how much will only increase its demands in terms of the price. Its asking of israel in terms of released posting and prisoners, but again, this is down the line. Uh, like i said, this is only the beginning hours. What i see here will be long term military campaign and likely usually pub minister. And even though im off either side of a war award between come awesome, does on and does all okay, i appreciate your time mary. So but again, listen i list on release politics and culture. Speaking to us back from the tel aviv. Okay. We can speak now to some a not a hes the director of b lavonne institute of strategic sizing joints now from beverage. And i want to 1st ask you about the role jeer. Politics has played in the events leading up to this moment, the advertisement accords in the past couple of years. And the normalization between saudi arabia and israel, broken by the United States, has all that lead to what were seeing today. Actually, i mean this is a great, great question because of what youve seen since the. Ready and maybe before the other on my quote, the whole maybe hes going to to different on but the hostings, the, its like a to boss. And thats where the goal is to, to conclude at one point in time. On the one hand, you have the time of space dynamic, economic integration, leading to more stability to model. Normally i Say Something that agent i think on the technology on your investment, im on the other hand, youre hot to the consulate dot to was the next to somebody in good man. He was get on. Whats the goal is to access all saw it as it in they came to having another vision. They can get another course of action. But thing on the military action, backing on my hands and what speed. But what youre witnessing today in and is your i and uh, is, does the 1st to collusion. But i didnt say, i mean of what happened to the last a little was in terms of uh, in terms of the scale was, im present policy done to a piece by 4 to or a party or the case. And the knowledge concerns are really big to have the whole vision drawn into a war after being in and ended up on, on the concerns are they to do to, to see this country did on got into this school especially got, you know, how much these leaders were going good yesterday on the board, the apps to take uh the ons and the given that the creation of the button on the upper hand, hezbollah got on the Decision Making process. So. So the question is, when i live on, on the, the get on to this conflict, im, but what do you, what do you think, what, what do you think will they be drawn in . Its a, its, i would say its for them to come edition is, is be given that the, uh for the 1st time they are, they have to chosen to, to, and the timing costs uh, their action. However, the consequences will be deputy meant the, and i think this would be through yet us by law to, to, to go into, to, to, to do this for this demonstration. I wouldnt dare say because the country is already a and fine you mention a comment on lots and bidding in mind. Thats not going to go a has a bottle on on the and is there any have signed a embodied time eh, d, which is how some of them lines ition, at least the comic normalization these through countries are cool and this deal was back by customer a lot because as blah uh, no, the, uh, financial advantage of such, uh the especially that it would be that way for me about non, uh, digging the guys or the sources from the east. Main thing. Uh at the moment, wherever the button on is indeed need forgot. So, i mean, oh uh so this would be the combination of possible, uh, not to do this to the patient, but what is it i will do this at the print the question, when is it i am open. Uh, another uh from the at keeping in mind that both from us and it has been a lot of bug by the same source uh, frontier which is the wrong way this way is that i and open the border trying to do the money due to me im going to interrupt you that because we do have a live statement now coming in from the exxon big brigade. Lets have a listen to it. Your fellow fighters in gaz, uh to the whats the other one the one on one could lead to one and also said okay, uh unfortunately i think we uh we missed uh the ending of that statement. But we can hear from the Prime Minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu, who a short while ago, released a video message. And he had this to say about the attacks. As i saw him, i know who we are, or not an operation. How mazda is launch, the merger surprise attack against the state of israel and its citizens. I ordered the purse the full to claim the settlement from the terrorist who had infiltrated and ordered a large scale mobilization of reserves. The enemy will pay a price. He has never known the last time to sell me that the direct took the bond is a chain from strategic f, as well as nor be think about the bush. I mean this is, these are these, this is a declaration of pool from the Prime Minister of israel. Yes, definitely. This is not limited or variation. This is not about the desired striking. Got back. Okay. It looks like the remote and in case of uh, it would be uh, well, and this is a and here we, we 3 we, we have more than one concern to have the flu, the gen ed being thrown into this. So more these keep in mind that the cd is that 80 border is as being always the subject off the military. The operation desire is conducting more patient insight as tedious in order to to a college or what she had. Consider a stress over that uh, even the ways theyve been on. Its true that it has to be gone for the last to it. So do you want to use but to nothing. But just in that this, uh, this call and because its very product, john, because uh there is a no, no these, no wonder my life. But it took a normalization, the at peace and the all the ingredients off the air war are out of it. The one made on that for the last 5. 00 to 6. 00, you just know these initiatives, no effort at this diplomatic level in order to ease the tension on the so that there is a law off for the concerns over the years. And the detention is, is, is really to sammy, the timing of all this is so notable, isnt it . Because the so the last a few days weve been covering the 50th anniversary since the young couple wore the as this really is cool, that will be october. Will uh, where you have this uh who opening up on multiple fronts. Uh, it feels like weird back there again. Yes, this is on one hand. On the other hand i think that is as we mentioned at the beginning, its dark feeling what so with whats happening in the gym on one side. Uh, the, the, the ways to name you when it comes to, then you go to the gc p, o a, the, the, which uh, the apartment administration, trying to, to everybody is totally stored on the, uh, options where the back uh on the table, including the military astride on it on a new key or a blast. This is on one huh. Uh. On the other hand, the, when weve seen enjoying gums done nothing. Yeah. Whole visit to, to, to, to washington. And all of the talks about the possibility of a so the uh username, the uh, the city i think that this is uh, not on the table anymore. At least. Ready the coming weeks off or, or mos on the, the knowledge, the pretty trading. The prevailing issue would be this uh that i seen you and the conflict between uh, 15 and uh and the products so that we have to start what fee would be given to the Palestinian Authority in order to uh to, to get into uh to have its own shed for um its the benefits from this the i think that was kind of the configuration uh off by any chance uh to the things to get to the piece is not to on, on the people no longer for that the are coming to georgia. Okay. Saw me, i really appreciate your time. Send me that direct to fit the band institute. Speaking to us that from a route that schedule a correspondent need to abraham, who is in ramallah. Ross need to bring this up to date with what is happening, where you all a one word to describe whats happening now here in the occupied the west bank. Its one big celebration here in the lo, were seeing protestors come off to the Street Holding the flag of her mouth, the green flags shouting in celebration and in support of the military reactions that have started by how mosque this morning. Weve seen similar scenes in how broad in geneva, and elsewhere in the occupies westbank. So give you some concepts. Its not always that you see how miles flags being risen. Youre in the occupied westbank, specifically as the occupied westbank is under the ruling of factors. And now factor is at all with him asked the controls the besieged, gall this through and huge. What do we see . Those flags being lifted in terms in cases ill be here. And this is a scene where palestinians are able to hold those flags on march with them in the streets. Now, the important thing that palestinians on social Media Industries are saying, you know what, this is the 1st time that we feel that palestinians are taking action to fight back rather than reacting. So basically there is a feeling of strength. Lets not forget that the occupied westbank has been going through a lot of tension. A lot of a is really reads a lot of expansion to the league and is where the sacraments. So youre talking about the situation where its not a city is felt that they are under the is where you control under these really armed force here and now and today they say, you know what, we feel like we can deter these way measures. Were talking about the past few years with israel has gone a book job and beyond. When we talk about its occupation to the occupies westbank, theyre taking up more or less theyre visiting more. The goal is really supplements empowered by the current is really a right wing government, but also they believe is wrote the needs that they dont have a reason to deter their actions. We see during the trump error that nothing else felt like he can get away with building more supplements. He can get to we with more armed actions against palestinians. Lets not forget that when we talk about those actions by israel, theres no accountability. We lost our clinic city walk while she was reporting on and is really rate in june of last year. Nothing happened. So you can imagine if someone as important as sitting as prestigious a journalist with an american passport. Yeah, shell give you an idea of whats happening to all the palestinians your every day, your average call us to me and we talk to people in refugee camps who are just going about their daily lives when they are shocked by these really minute 3. When we go through these random in the 3 and we tried to contact what happened, they said, all we felt towards government. So what kind of simian . They feel that theyve been under so much injustice what, but when it comes to his roles, action when it comes to the land or as rose actions when it comes to the people who are living under occupied territory. So theres a big feeling here of celebration. Theres a big feeling of may be israel will turn when it sees walk. Palestinians tend to me that over in the in romano for us. So lets bring in guys a how much hes a, how much spikes been on a former deputy for administer for the government in gaza. I need joins us on the phone. Many thanks for joining us. I want to ask you, firstly, what is the objective of the, of this operation that how much is engaged in this morning . You know, 1st of all, the, to we, if you, the, of the very crimes against our people, the was bank, georgia, they got it where they, we are suffering from the, the poor, the crimes against all the people in deluxe, every day the us told them, and do like some of the preventing the, the pre is from praying and deluxe almost every day and it was sunday. They entered into the police team as soon as coming people uh, taking homes, depending most of them in School District can glance at doing all kinds of glands against, or people that own gods or the continued and forging the siege from inbound go un sanctions on garza and we have the connected menu, but yet those to do in order to