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Hello welcome to the program im imran khan its been nearly 5 years since the death of a regime in egypt you talent student was researching labor unions when he disappeared in cairo his body was dumped by road at 9 days later italian investigators say the 28 year old had been beaten and tortured new videos obtained by aljazeera suggest the Security Services had followed him for more than a month if egypt blocking its investigation prosecutors in rome have now charged full gyptian agents with kidnapping and murder egypt as suspended its own probe but says whoever killed regime had no connection with the state. We today we know that the egyptian general security followed reginas tracks for 40 days we know that he was a recent 1st in a camp in transferred to cell number 13 of the Egyptian Ministry of interior this is a very dangerous matter need telling people strongly condemn it we firmly maintain our position with respect to closing diplomatic ties with egypt the lawyer for regime whose family has welcomed the charges as a new chapter in the investigation. Yemeni chief julio regina it was spied on for many weeks and that was even in his house the Egyptian National Security Forces entered his rear searched it and took pictures of his passport and followed him everywhere they were taking pictures of him and creating a spy network that includes his friends all this cant be done by one individual only and the responsibility is well cant be placed on one Single Person such a matter and daschle would be from the highest authorities Rights Groups are calling for accountability in hundreds of other cases the committee for justice says that 1056 people have been killed in egyptian Detention Centers since bill father l. C. C. Took power in 2013731 have died from a lack of health care 144 were tortured and 67 committed suicide the Egyptian Commission for rights and freedoms says that more than 2700 people have been forcibly disappeared since 2015. Lets bring in our guests engine eva we have ahmed im afraid director at the committee for justice dahlia for me is the associate professor of Political Science at Long Island University she joins us from new jersey and to be on the hell is a Political Writer and analyst specializing in egypt and he joins us from washington d. C. A welcome to each of you id like to begin in geneva with fright the italians are saying that this is damning evidence not just of Security Services involvement but theyre also saying that this shows that there was a conspiracy to try and prove that regime any was actually part of a spy ring do you think theres anything in those charges. Thank you for having to be around. Weve got to get the transparency when we talking about some thoughts or thoughts of transparency on the bar to sit theres not transparency in the world and especially got bigger as any case already gotten and that is huge and its. Got in the irish and how many instance our users this is getting its p. R. For us and also stuart for the International Community. When we try to open service about d whats its we should and should we so its that there is not all that transparency on that there is a bit of transparency and to live in peace bishop and rich and that human rights commissions and additions and arts that business is not transparency the base is like the positions of the situations that there is unity in trying to you think that robot got that to mislead the public. That missed it up to its source i think its not only misleading its not only. That up they also tried to mislead the Warren Commission of inquiry as we all seem and that is you shut us hearts. Out they are and its all that dust that you shines and that is pretty neat as examples its not always old energy good its also. In trying to mislead the human rights mechanic and. Thats by giving until information about many. Of the uses. By. How doing its. Part in egypt with think that with that with that expense oh i understand that human rights organisation. And i would say egypt we will find. Since that egyptian regime. Where. I can see that number one all its who ever you hearts on the other hand what i mean just actually is an interesting point you make there let me just put it in. The bill the Egyptian Government stopped the probe into regime hes deaf theyve just said actually they didnt have anything to do it wasnt the state however they havent provided any real evidence that our guest in geneva is basically saying that theres no transparency and theres never been any transparency when it comes to human rights in egypt. Ok thank you very much for your kind invitation and. Also the distinguished guests and to the under the desks ok let me put it this way the question of any human rights activist whether this kidnapping disappearance is exciting and then it takes away a little bit and then later it is revisited so that cycle has been followed in the case of jeannie and others whether it could be repeated in the future its possible so it will be an issue it will be a file and there are many issues in so many countries who are by the Human Rights Concerns was always recycled often and under different circumstances and as a matter of fact elec we defend the present term prison term has never been silent on the questions of human rights in egypt where there are asian ear or any other subject it has always been raised and debated. The other part of the question points to the issue of transparency i mean well come to the age of globalization everything is open i mean its a circle back to the debate or the syndrome of an open society it is no longer George Orwells 1904 and to tell attorney and society hiding the secrets of the states in court a court a ministry of propaganda so every nation faces oppression even the United States about the transparency of the elections and the transparency of the treatment of inmates or the human rights activists when it comes to egypt yes egypt is an open society it cannot escape the dictates of openness so any human rights issue will never be hidden from egypt as a matter of fact i recall once and expect egyptian who told me when i was young and very wise a statement any rumor in egypt has its own. Foundation and grounds because there is some substance to a pip talk about anything so any human rights concern in egypt has to be transparent you cannot hide it well just because egypt has a. Showing of ill if there is no probe theres no transparency dollar for me in new jersey the italian prosecutors have named 4 people they are providing evidence but the egyptians are dont seem to be paying attention whats a sec whats the consequences of naming those people. So 1st lets look at the evolution of the egyptian narrative you know just last month the prosecutor in egypt said that the perpetrator of whatever happened to regina is unknown but if you recall just awhile reginas body was being flown back to italy the Egyptian Government executed for individual saying that he was killed by a criminal gang the narrative in egypt by the regime has evolved over time and whats happened in the past month is very interesting because the Italian Government has actually named 4 individuals and is looking into the investigation of 12 more individuals that its asked the Egyptian Government for information on that they dipshit government refuses to release any information now the naming of tarik sauber. Captain osman homie and magic Berg Hema Sharif is very interesting because by naming them in public whats happening is that they are now liable in risk detention under interpol if they are to leave we used to talk about Human Rights Violations in the names of states and regimes now by targeting individuals at the lower ranks they can actually be arrested if they attempt to leave the country here in United States the global manusky act that was passed actually allows the u. S. Government to sanction individuals and target Security Officers who have particular pated and perpetuated and enabled torture to happen to to activists and other individual especially those who hold for in foreign passports now just this past summer the European Union also agreed to establish a similar regime to the global manusky act in america allowing its 27 member bloc to sanction those responsible for human rights abuses so by the Italian Government naming individuals weve entered into a different moment of accountability on the International World stage because accountability. Its not coming from within the investigative bodies of egypt and thats become clear over time moving from a narrative that he was killed by a criminal gang that evidence was found with these gang members and when the evidence was presented to reginas family they said that this does not belong to him and so by creating an International Farce over the cover up of a Cambridge University student whose doctoral dissertation was looking at Union Activities among Street Vendors being seen as a threat is quite telling evidence released this week in tapes so that regina was followed for over 40 days that there are tape recordings of individuals and within the Security Apparatus who are a member talking about what do we do with the socalled young man we have him this leads that this was actually state perpetuated torture leading to the death of a Foreign International grad student the evidence released recently by the Italian Government does i have to say the interruption the Egyptian Government has actually it one of its defenses one of his many defenses in this case is actually if this will wasnt a foreign student you wouldnt care and now you do because its a foreign student now it was a nothing to do with us it was a criminal gang ak. Those are the evidence presented but weve shut down the probe i mean there is there is the Italian Government bringing this to the fore but what about all the rest of the people the Muslim Brotherhood really whove been arrested people on his of telfair over the years any Opposition Group have been cracked down on why dont those stories get told you why this will. You know since 2015 there have been almost 3000 cases in egypt a force in forced disappearances the have led to torture there are over 60000 Political Prisoners yes what is happening in the prison system is in egypt and throughout the country remains on unknown because egypt has done several things its denied the entry of human rights workers like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International it just imprisoned and released because of International Pressure members of a Human Rights Organization and so this is indicating if the Egyptian Government can law on whats happened to an italian graduate student from Cambridge University then imagine what happens the ivory jayjay action the International Community has to remain silent on whats happening in libya for strategic reasons for example the Italian Government even though this is an italian graduate student its evolved even in its relation with egypt from removing its ambassador to actually becoming a weapon sales country that sells weapons to egypt a country thats involved in a 1300000000. 00 oil project with egypt and so even the Italian Government just like the french government just like the United States hedges its bets on is it International Human rights or is it our strategic interest but whats happening with the global might act and the highlighting of cases like regina and for example the Incoming Biden Administration is that there might be a turning point where the International Community is forced to look at Human Rights Violations its political level and helpful are some very very theres a theres a vital point ali lets just put that point to that in geneva theres 2 points i want to put to you firstly our guest in washington d. C. Said actually we dont live in 1904 anymore that is the police state anymore egypt is partly the society so it is transparent just because of the fact we live in the modern world and secondly what do you think of this point that the incoming biden ministration the European Union etc months used regime his case to actually take a look at whats going on inside egypt. Ok i will begin with 2nd parts and i have a comment regarding their sheep case and my view will we have now come to the truth of whats happened with the g. D. And the situation now with the change we are not calling the court of justice or regime and therefore more than one. Who will have. Presence and his attention spent 30 is unique is not only a victim of your kind of heart its been harder here in the french citizen in. America james and i hate doing after our hands most of us and thats our mouth detainees in egypt and others. Where it cant hold up and that without the trying to balance all of their killers and tortured so far that what we think we will. Not be justice regarding this is syntax we are speaking now about more than 1000 detainees killed inside egypts sense to expel their uncertainty and if this is. For all of this i will answer the 1st which is accountability do you think that egypts government. Which runs this into the ocean to governments. Accept any investigation regarding one sounds the detainees does. Except your genius because usually is that the bus they get from you is god well thats good i was going to respond so lets make it our target lets get it lets get a response well below. That is not the 1st edition since 2013 until now or what sometimes they said well lets get a response seal your question in the below hill whats your response. Ok look egypt can still handle the crisis because i mean they have a history of this im old enough to remember the 1970 s. When. Massive cases of human rights atrocities that were committed after that illusion of july 2 discerned under the regimes of nasr were just revealed and now and so there was an admission of the crimes of the former head of the intelligence apparatus a lot nicer and his associates and as a matter of fact just a few days ago about brown the former war minister or the guy who hired people who worked for his talent to torture the muslim brothers and other inmates died and that also revived the whole question about torture and detention in egypt egypt can still manage the crisis the can i advise them to have a full and candid admission of everything if he was killed and tortured just stated publicly and loudly and then somehow you would be forgiven but i think egypt has transformed and you cannot really hide things in egypt anymore because that is the mid south since the 1970 s. Has acknowledged getting the valuable you have made what are you have made that point but let me just put Something Else here ok so if we are in a position where youre suggesting that egypt is transparent it should make these admissions however it shut down the regime probably always shuts down any probe coming into human rights abuses within egypt itself it never really investigates human rights abuses and theres very few actual convictions weve got 1056 people dead since our bill fattah elsisi took power in egyptian jails no one has been held accountable for any of those deaths simply because the Government Employees and if you start charging Government Employees youre going to find that you are going to be a very unpopular government surely thats the case. Ok this is actually a big question and can be debated from different perspectives let me just focus on 2 points quickly. It depends any discussion with the Egyptian Government and the minister of interior it was thats a definite on human rights has to be done soon certain organs are in certain institutions like for instance in the case of the journalists if some journalists have been abused the head of the syndicate will talk to the police will talk to the Prime Minister to the president and usually there is a distancing between the office of the president and the human rights abusers that has been the norm since said that in the seventys because we held that last and so much involved in observing and knowing about human rights crimes the 2nd thing is that like what it says if there are problems say in the treatment of christians the Coptic Church will talk to the foreign to the Prime Minister to the interior minister so that police will be scrutinized this way so any human rights issue or will be debated with within certain institutions whether this is an event or a lot is another debate but you cannot hide it im quite sure that any developments in the case of the british regime need is still being discussed and debated there is some discourse going on i do not know about it but i would not really out ok done if i am in new jersey our guest in d. C. Is saying that the institutions that are ways of dealing with these human rights abuses they may sometimes country the church they may sometimes even go through political organizations are for those institutions. And that not that we know of if we think about whats happened in the past 7 years since the military coup of 2013 theres upwards of 60000 Political Prisoners there have been the torture to death of just this year of 140 individuals over 100 over a 1000 have died in prison from torture neglect but and if you look at the cases that are used and abuse against women and children in egypts prisons today misty international released her im sorry Human Rights Watch and it really sort of porous saying that there are cycles of hell of what women go through in egypts prisons including gang rape by Security Officials this case is highlighting is a regime all the way to the top that is type 2 that is tied to abuse of individuals if you look at the case that was filed in american courts june of this year by activist Mohammed Sultan against the former Prime Minister has the former Prime Minister being accused of actually ordering the torture of of Political Prisoners this Case Highlights that this is these are not independent acts that are going to be dealt with in syndicates or by journalists indicates that this goes all the way to the top and whats become clear in the case of or in genie is that the torture was ordered he was monitored he was followed theres a special Security Apparatus that just monitors foreigners in egypt and all of this is been highlighted by this case and what this is greater reflecting is that if this is how foreigners are treated americans italians british. And british students then imagine what happens to every day gyptian is they dont have forces speaking on their behalf outside because there are no longer any more human rights. We are going out on that would like to come to the other guest as well. Just very quickly egypt has institutions all capable of dealing with this as a guest in washington d. C. Do you agree. I dont believe this is not true this is not sure but if we if we if we see the situation calls lee there is no names that you should use it and suspect its any crimes against human rights old irish i havent even started but since i believe that you should do if she does or now care about that human rights situation all or any. I dont but rather mis information. This is the way that egypt regime and egypt institutions right used. To answer our church. To speak about or to answer to which i got my Rights Violations what we know will sorry im going to sorry we are running out of time and i would like to come finally to guess the bill but helen the bill after having listened to everything that you just heard do you still think they are capable institutions and a decent human rights situation in egypt. Its not a perfect situation i would not use the term these since its not a perfect one but again it is subject to debate it can improve and if there is any mistake could be highlighted and eventually you will settle this because on the question of human rights you have to think it is selective and this is a plea couple in every country every situation 2nd it can be said to let you have that was africa where a whole population was musically denied basic rights and then you have the truest commission so somehow there was any consolation with that this is and this can be found in egypt depends on the attitudes of the Political Leadership but i think we can have this disposition of the consigning to any complains about Human Rights Violations i want to thank all our guests ahmed maher for a family and a bill of sale and i would like to thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by this single web site i was there dot com and for further discussion got her Facebook Page thats facebook dot com forward slash a. 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