Only the bottom line on u. S. Politics and policies and their effect on the world. To. See. How in munich where Global Policy makers are gathered for the annual security conference among them just the European UnionsForeign Policy and security chief a band who faces many challenges from the u. S. Tariffs from the Iran Nuclear Deal to managing relations with eastern giants like china and russia and of course festering conflicts in places like libya and yemen the list is long can the ties that bind e. U. Member states endure all this is there a common vision for the European Unions future well find out as just talks to aljazeera. Just approach the European Unions high representative for Foreign Affairs many thanks for talking to al jazeera thank you youre part of a new European Commission theres a new European Parliament a new e. U. In fact 27 members minus the United Kingdom but youve got real problems youve got people like president of france a sort of very powerful reformer pushing for more integration youve got a kind of steady as she goes germany at the moment struggling with the leadership flux youve got rule of law re shoes nationalism populism in places like hungary and poland how do you reconcile that. Thats life it is their way. And we are not going to change these things on the night but it does make it difficult for. The Commission President s view of a new geo political. Commission a geopolitical e. U. Based on shared sovereignty how do you create this sense of shared sovereignty working together building the feeling that threats that we are facing are indivisible the threat of terrorism in libya or the migrants illegal migrant flow in libya is not just a threat with immediate iranian countries as much as the threat of the. Russia and can represent a threat to the some member stated they used to both of us in not only for them we have to share common traits and this requires a culture it is not going to be of another night you know is a matter of coming past histories in order to be a look on an understanding of the world if you dont share a common understanding of the wool you cannot share a common for a policy but ultimately a lot of the sense of change the need for reform has come about as a result most recently breaks it which has been hasnt it a colossal blow for the European Union losing a member like britain when dad said. We regret. We are not going to be completed to save the United Kingdom but dutys had to go to unity is to decide about their future 1st to hold a referendum and secondly to hold elections and in both cases especially on the 2nd one to the back seat is one so there is no way out it is the way it is we regret but we will try to do our best without the british and to try to build a better relationship with them but for sure they would not be the same neither of them nor for us to what extent does brics it undermine the European Unions ultimate standing in the world. Union adelstein the british leaving my name the union debate is never the have always been very clear since the speech of which to judge and enjoy dick on the aftermath of the 2nd world war saying you are being to go build you know this stage of you but we will not be with you we will be looking to the landing to previous have never hidden his his will they have never been in favor of big integration have never been in favor of a Political Union so. Not bad not dalai wants all the Member States when they say mad to do it on that point of other nations that are also taking a long british lines its a border where you yes but. The break up as difficult as possible for britain isnt it in order to dissuade will discourage it is no need to do aiding anyone because theyre connected has not been a net be they me it has been a vaccine. Instead of why spreading brought people together has been a vaccine because people should all look look at how difficult it is look at the consequences so anyway the need for change is clear and undisputed record has highlighted that but as much as anything else. The United States and china 2 great powers squaring off against one another as i said fast changing geo political environment you groet. This to survive in the world of giants we are peons must adjust our mental maps to deal with the world as it is not as we hoped it would be to avoid being the losers in todays us china competition we must really learn the language of power what did you mean by this is a sentence the has become famous. When you say power one people immediately think of military power. Power means that you are sending bangs now there are many different kind of power when the americans use their law in order to everybody being abiding by day a law and company has to abide by the america law even if this law has been voted by the American Parliament and in principle this turns national. Limitation will do all this completely unjustified but they have the power of doing that if you do what they dont like you to do you will be punished well it appears we are not able doing so well you say you are not able to and yet in this vision or you are not we are not willing well in this vision of a new geo political future for the e. U. This talk isnt there of only doing deals with countries if they sign up to the paris climate accords for instance theres a big push now on digital taxes on us tech giants there is suggestions that u. S. European businesses might withdraw their support for u. S. And Chinese Markets if they dont open themselves up to e. U. Competition the problem is as soon as you do these kinds of things People Like Us slap tariffs on your products as theyve done with steel as theyve just done on air bus so. The once to push for more muscular vision of the. But the hard power isnt there to back it up well the border the difference between hard power and soft power nowadays is a little bit fuzzy create is that the harp our softball or well at the moment that has risen to our judiciary has relied on soft power its beginning to look a bit dated but today. Diskette you were race has been very much mix and confused bill which is soft which is hard to interfere in the democratic process of what one country. Used in syria capacities is that soft or heart defect is that to their parents whose interfering and what theyre doing as well but that interferes with your democratic process do they only use arms you use the digital technologies. But they can be very very very damaging you know with the fans not only about the risk of being invaded by an army but the risk of being to feeding you institutions building and working why didnt you methods that the knowledge you brings to us cyber attacks. All the old means and do that with a many people can use and they have been using cyber is one of the most glorious that we should face and the brits hybrids something that people are not this day not not yet very much aware of what does it mean and at the same time we have heart challenges the old style challenges like for example in seattle you know how many soldiers are sahani enormous loss last year 1000 for 500. The terrorist terrorists the band it is the people fighting and moon kill 1500. 00 millions and these unions people and this is an area of big strategic interest of course because with all of that fighting come waves of really heading for europe is the wholesale hail becomes nonstate land without you know without 80 then the risk is very very big because these of a political problem for the cycle we dont have a plan would have caught conference for this hell and next month you know that we tried to have an extract we are there different mainly what member station hoping European Union as a whole with have several missions military and civilian reasons the United Nations have 15000 souldiers the multi. But there it seems that theyre not very effective so you know libya has been a kind of tumor who have been mistrust izing who the hell countries and europe cannot afford to lose control of these area where their population is growing at incredible big age where women have having 7 or 8 childrens but had they not bridge to a degree all of the population the effect of Climate Change the non. Did that sense of had an organized see below Political Society was such a big extension with a growing population here is a danger for you talking about difference talking about hard power one of the greats fractures at the moment is in the transatlantic relationship some people deny its there other people say its glaringly obvious donald trump insisting that europeans do more for their own defense president mccrone a great supporter of that. Talking to us from. The former nato secretary general he suggests this is fanciful a paper tiger europe simply cant afford to secure itself without u. S. Hope is there a future for a European Defense system a European Army or europe standing on its own 2 feet without u. S. Help. Right thats not a matter over ideological position is a matter of that he methink its a matter of numbers i am in the genie of a training when they have to these custom thing i go i look to the numbers its completely out of question that states could ensure they had to rejoin real defense out of the nato and insert and secondly. Its not a Defense Union was not created as they need to have to issue a the military still regarded to a full member state well thats because nato it was always something that was taken for granted not so much in the age of donald trump well thats true whether this same time what we have to do is spend more on defense and that interrupts right but we have to think about where we spend more hope for what we have to discuss about this threat as you go objective more expenditure in defense and you have to spend better you know that is such a big diversity between debian armies so many overlaps are so many vacuums where we dont have capacities and in other in another place we have too much capacities that there be kaffirs has to be done in order to build military capacities among to be a Member States army not to create the debian army but to coordinate the efforts of all of us in order to have among all of us to get better it is that that required would be much much much much less expensive ok lets look at e. U. Foreign policy proper your day job as it were when you know. Engaged in reforming the European Union the Iran Nuclear Deal 2015 the e. U. Took a good chunk of the credit for sealing that deal with iran its now falling apart of course donald trump exited it. And theres enormous pressure isnt there from the United States on european signatories to toe the line and do likewise is the e. U. Close finally to caving in and accepting that the iran deal is over. Not. You know i am the coordinator of the board that follows the implementation of these nuclear deal these border are. They where the states there are 3 countries well now to be in the member stage of the to be a union another european country because debrett has left it to be a new europe was destined to be and and i have the role of course the need to. Come as far as they know. Driving to keep this deal of life. But in order to give the still does need a lawyer we should be able to reduce into 2 hours day daniel to fulfill their commitments on the nuclear side and we should be fulfilling our commitments on the economic side but we are not doing it by the time being because our firms are afraid of america under the relations sanctions we are trying to be real Financial Instruments in order to be a road to economic transactions especially in the humanitarian side we start falling on though their very concessions which is one thing in which we are in a different position with our american friends on the most important issue we will be all the time in the same side of the table but here we disagree we dont agree with americas rule from these nuclear deal it took 12 years of very difficult discussion of to reach this deal at night both thing is going to be possible to build another one thanks to this deal iran is not a Nuclear Power today without this deal who knows whats going to happen and if you like so many things the american might is insurmountable you may well disagree but in the end theres nothing you can do about it and theres no way you can win the argument we try to do something were creating these instict instrument in order to avoid american sanctions frankly speaking and it is what these are loud not americans of course but if you get incentive. With the time be we havent been able to make it work and i had a really good neither did any and you know i tried to be someone objective and measured into positions of the job according with reality according with the facts 40 months after the american withdrawal deannas has been fulfilling their commitments and european leaders have been promising them that they should continue fulfilling their nuclear commitment because we would look on our way of having. And i mean text message they did recently they said that you know if were going to go out slowly slowly these Nuclear Commitments and we tried to convince them to go back to the commitment of the nuclear side that we can provide. Some rewards in the economic side did they gave us not over the game is not over lets see whats happening in the following month well if nothing else its a sign what has happened with iran very different kind of global Foreign Policy is on the way and has been for the last 4 years a very much more muscular bruising confrontational Foreign Policy which as we said earlier the European Unions old approach of soft power doesnt really work it doesnt apply. To handle this and we have not dismiss the power to give you the capacity of we do dealing on the rest back to of human rights to sign trade to riemanns to to set up norms we know how to these middens very important normative capacity that we have. Is a way of conditioning many economic and Technological Development trade we are the champions of trade we introduce them to trade to womens to think that really worries us about Climate Change then we have a strong. Thrown capacity of influencing. But its true dear wall that we are facing it is not the world that is behind us no whereas the south east and north north south west east that really the degrees that have to be used you know that when all i do wall of to morrow. Well i dont think so i think that these belong to another another period of the history and now we are. Driving to buy. A dual paul of power between china and United States this is the route through the history its where we are heading. For europeans the important thing is to found a place on disc competition not to be a scratch on the middle of this. Well let me ask you now about russia another issue that divides Member States president mccraw of frogs thinks. That russia is a viable Security Partner for the e. U. Do you well with russia year we have a principle to follow but to guide our relationship we have to continue saying that we support ukrainian integrity and the best way of containing the russian influence on the eastern part of europe is to support ukraine economic and Democratic Development the sanctions are there they will not be lifted or knows that his son change of direction attitude but on the other hand we have to engage selectively with russia you have because we share Common Concerns commenee issues can we talk about the arctic policy without engaging with russia of course not can we can we discuss the. Energy autonomy or security without talking with our a big provider of gas theres so many issues in which we have to talk with russia to engage and to reach an agreement that we have to have a 2 sided policy libya. Brand new u. N. Security council is in place calling for a ceasefire you said back in january when the previous ceasefire was as fragile as it was that a cease fire only exists when its monitored and managed any cease fire has to be monitor it it is not monitored at the. Last 2 days by the diaby were still not there if this cease fire the gun then is from one have to monitor it the United Nations should do it and we should be able to cooperate with them how will depend on what more is the e. U. Prepared to do i mean this is a humanitarian disaster in the making for europe all of the refugees all of the people in awful conditions on them but abuses today to flow the flow of migrants to has been decreasing pretty much we had the mind of a big 20152016 who everybody has in mind these 2 years big flow of people 160000 people getting across a miniature area with a we are in figures much much more the problem has changed they mention completely israel palestine is there any part of the new trump. The do you support this plan doesnt fool feel the International Nice parameters and we have been union has been working to change our parameters which change your mind or we cannot say that this plan is a good plan for our standing what did the same time discipline has the capacity to break in this stalemate on put into conversation between israelis and palestinians again they will. Not youre not saying the spread is not good you have to propose Something Else and now we have to look at the we are able. To propose Something Better or how can we use the opportunity to display an office to break this for 5 years without nothing Climate Change. Another big issue perhaps the preeminent issue facing the future of the planet not least the e. U. The European Union has shown its commitment with a green deal over the next 5 years you took some fire recently with comments you made about young climate activists suggesting that people like gratitude but dont really have the stomach for a fight but they dont understand and arent willing to pay for the changes that they demand you called regret a syndrome do you regret that look. Police say what they said not what do you interpret theyve said well you said its fine to demonstrate against Climate Change so long as nobody asks you to pay for it. I wonder if everybodys self aware of the fact that we have to fight Climate Change why did just not a free lunch. Not to fight against Climate Change. Existential threat to fight against Climate Change is not for free it would require investment it would require a big restructuring of the way of living and it will have a cost and it will be eleusis and do we have to be ready to compensate the rootless that were putting on the table i just dont see it on Climate Change and what they wanted to say is that. I have to explain to people all sides of the guy. We dont have to make people believe that to fight against Climate Change is just a matter of i want it yes but you know that will do that is going to be we are going to face big the information is very good that the young people movie lines this is very good the young people are very much aware that the old people of the high cost of not fighting against Climate Change but one thing is that. The Climate Change the present is a big threat and a high cost and another thing is not to be aware that fighting is Climate Change also represents a cost that this has to be bait finally because alone you are a proud cattle and of course yourself the issue of catalonia goes to the heart of concerns across the e. U. About nationalism about sovereignty the rights of minorities Spanish Foreign minister you were no supporter of separatism of course i understand that as e. U. Foreign minister i wonder this problem is not going away do you in any way support a legitimate say for the people of catalonia in their future even if it means changing the constitution to allow a referendum to take place we can change youre going to do shouldnt but i dont think it is already in a spain to change you can see just how do you deal with this problem how do you make it go away how do you reconcile catalonia and madrid im alone in. When you say its a lot very close to 50 percent of cut while on the other 50 percent it seems like youre going to get into consideration you know what i mean there is division in catalonia and division in spain but all of it has to be reckoned by do you see your trap to talk about catalonia referring only to the 45 percent wonder you used at the lorgnette to refer to the 45 percent what theyve refused is these a simulation between catalonia and less than half the catalans i understand joe sapporo thank you very much for talking to us is it thank you. March on aljazeera. Up to theyre also going on the nation witness brings a new film this time from africa for International Womens day a crucial day in the race to challenge donald trump when live across key u. S. States for a super tuesday studio b. 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