How can it be that we can never turn the page around living a normal country i want to country with social justice and somehow we never get there. Arjun ties are choosing between 6 president ial candidates the 2 frontrunners are the business friendly incumbent market he promised to reform argentina but has been struggling with the financial crisis and a lot of the for a man this whos running mate is former president Cristina Fernandez the kershner from the powerful Peronist Party coming in 3rd is former economy minister robert 11 year renegotiated argentinas foreign debt at the economic collapse in 2001 for a family film i feel you have been very highly favored here in the capital one. Of the around 55 Percent Inflation rate and rising harvards ready even though mark 3 weeks pains around 30 percent of the vote there are many who say that theyre disappointed with the way he handled the coral and thats why. They wont vote for him the primary elections in august gave the center left peyronies Party Coalition at 15 point lead over maglis bloc even though many are disenchanted with the accusations of corruption that involved kristina kirshner they say they would rather vote for her coalition. And ben mackey who they say has only benefited big business. I want to party that favors the working class and mockery did not do that i came here to buy dollars because we cannot trust in the patient and we dont know what will happen next week that basal kerensky has lost significant value in the past year and people are turning to the dollar concerned there will be another collapse but some say they fear a comeback by the Peronist Party is showing a thorough t. V. In the i havent seen the sign crisis since one appeared on and 1945 and the peronist have always my things worse analysts say its going to be difficult to force a 2nd round to hear much of the ruling Party Campaign is trying to consolidate the power they have and maybe think of the future and the type of opposition they are going to be there is a huge difference between mockery and fernandez thats difficult to reverse voters will now have their say paul suggest the resoled will be clear cut and argentina will elect a president outright this sunday anything different would certainly come as a major surprise but he said well ill just see what our scientists. In the news ahead see how this motorbike could be a solution to Traffic Congestion in kenyas capital. And front us considers overturning centuries old rules to help solve the shortage of counterfeit priests in the amazon. And theres still plenty of sunny skies across much of the south and the east of europe but no also to the north and to the west huge amount of streaming into the. I am bringing with it some very heavy amounts of rain the rewinds for the warnings across Central Regions of the u. K. Thankfully its a fairly falls moving line of rain so as we go through sunday the rain will sweep down through into northern and central areas of france through the low countries and you can see generally a very cloudy picture 3 much of germany and to the baltics as well more rain and some snow in the forecast into scandinavia touches all certainly coming down over the next couple of days ago some cold air coming in from the north of this but just 11 celsius a look cooler than it has been over the last few days 10 celsius in london with a fairly stiff northerly breeze a plenty of cloud on monday across the central areas and some of that rain of course again could be quite heavy across the mountains now the system though still really plaguing some sections of the central med that will continue on sunday to bring some more rain showers for algeria on into tunisia and theres not a great deal of movement so we could even syllabus flooding in some of these areas particularly on monday that rain is really quite heavy and very persistent through much of tunisia and on into areas of libya as well. What are you protesting about how does this impact where their online well i face mental state im directly out of translating slavery or if you join us on saturday this is an attack on Academic Freedom and on our ability to do research and teach freely this is a dialogue myanmar is not making it very welcoming for people to come back everyone has a voice Climate Change is real the discussion is real and im here to talk about the solutions on aljazeera. Here with aljazeera these are our top stories this hour the United States has reportedly conducted a raid in syria targeting the i salute leader. There are conflicting reports about whether the operation was successful the u. S. Magazine newsweek is citing a u. S. Official who says baghdadi was killed iraqi state media is saying it will air footage of that right. Of the 70 People Killed in 2 days of nationwide protests in iraq but demonstrators say they will not give up until there is political change and whose links to the populist clerical staging a sit in at home. Now chile as president has asked all of his government ministers to resign after declaring he has heard the message from mass protests 19 people have been killed in 2 weeks of unrest now mamma reports from something. A protest of more than 1000000 people and she list capital santiago has been called the most significant social mobilization in a generation in response to the historic march she was president. Announced sweeping changes to both his cabinet and to National Policy the 2 will be in the bill said to guide our government has taken on the urgent task of tending to the profound message sent from the chilean people this is why we have proposed to the National Congress a robust and demanding social agenda that takes into account the significant demands of our competitors. After more than a week of protests and despite the concessions and apologies issued by the president a solution to the crisis has remained elusive sociologist sophia dont also says the anger from demonstrators stems from a disconnect that exists between chiles Political Class and a majority of the population this is not a movement that is that is being articulated by 11 actor today one scene during the last week is this is more much more spontaneous we have with seen protests that i mean demand for a new education says them but also for a new houses then we have massive complaints against the current Pension System so its so much a source so much fraud it was on saturday protests sparked once again in several cities across chile. Many demonstrators celebrated the news that a military in force curfew and a state of emergency would be lifted the atmosphere within the demonstrations taking place in the chilly capital may seem festive others are under a law in anger that shared by just about everyone who i part for me. Widespread discontent over worsening social and economic inequality in chile protesters say they want accountability over a violent crackdown by Security Forces that have left at least 20 people dead hundreds injured and more than 5000 arrested since the crisis began more than one week ago god. Doesnt end here this will continue for a long time we have to keep fighting. Demonstrators are calling for more protests in the coming days saying what they want is the birth of the new chief no matter how long it takes. Parts of central turned into a battleground between police and protesters following a largely peaceful march on saturday Police Used Batons and charged people have been throwing bottles and rocks. And support of separatist leaders have been jailed for their part in the independence referendum of 2017 which was declared. Traffic jams in kenyas capital nairobi cost the economy an estimated 1000000000. 00 a year the city is struggling to cope with traffic pollution and commuters are growing increasingly impatient with government inaction because hawke looks at that story from nairobi. Its a city of contradictions where Office Workers and endangered rhinos live side by side africas largest slum next to towering skyscrapers and down below is the roaring sound of traffic in a city of 4000000 where most people dont own a car the car is king and the king is slow moving theres a lot of pollution i lose a lot of man hours driving. Is really frustrating is really frustrating and. Its. Even on very short distances the government believes Traffic Congestion costs a 1000000000. 00 a year in lost productivity in nairobi come to government. To keep in the. Subdued. Infrastructure not enough roads too many cars most are highly polluting secondhand vehicles imported from asia to make them more fuel efficient most mechanics remove a device called the catalytic converter designed to reduce exhaust emissions dumped in landfills environmentalist say the metal is toxic without it car fumes are heavy with lead and so these cars exhaust burned leaving pedestrians gasping for air were hours away from evening rush hour traffic and already it. Is developing over the city skyline not only is the air pollution double the amount recommended by the world health organization. Of the carbon emission that this country emits comes from traffic and car pollution. Pollution levels fell for a brief moment in september when protesters calling for Climate Justice halted traffic the wind even to be. Even a mans body feel. As if anybody needs to keep it from us hell open up a much you know a look and see an electric motor bikes could help too such as these built by a Small Company owned and run by dutch and kenyan businessmen electric is the future were going to go emissions free that is very clear and that is something that we want to be front runners in with electric vehicles comes the need for power something kenyas government is addressing by wanting to build a coal power plant kenyas Environment Agency says will make the air in nairobi more breathable yet another of the many contradictions to kenyas capital and so until a solution is found commuters will just have to sit and await Nicholas Hawke aljazeera nairobi. Catholic bishops from across the amazon have made a historic proposal to allow married men to become priests theyre also calling for women to be given a higher ranking role in the church so next year brown explains. Theres a lot in this scene at the vatican that would have looked exactly the same hundreds of years ago but some same trees old traditions of the Roman Catholic church could be about to change. There are some things to reform the church always has to reform itself. Pope francis has been hosting bishops nouns and Community Leaders from the amazon to discuss challenges such as the destruction of the rainforest. But the most hotly debated question was whether to allow some married men to join the priesthood in remote locations where there arent enough clergy to perform regular mess but the majority of the bishops also called for the vatican to look into whether women should be ordained as deacons a role currently reserved for name in who are allowed to preach betise witness marriages and perform funerals the pope admitted the church had yet to grasp the significance of women as women this 130 we need to underline this we do not realize the role of women in the church we just look at the functional part which is important but the role of women in the church goes far beyond functionality. The group is a urging the church to recognise the unique spirituality cultures and needs of the amazonian faithful but it could have repercussions beyond this isolated territory some conservatives have warned that allowing such exceptions could lead to the global Catholic Church to ruin right now the situation he was a reject. The question. Its more important to preserve. The celibacy requirement. The costs. Have been many grid is weed out it released for many many months every year. Anger over the me a discussion of the proposal so some amazonian statues stolen from a church during the meeting and tossed into the tiber river where they were later recovered and damaged but if the pope francis will consider the recommendations and report back by the end of the year but in a signal women have some way to go in the church well they could offer opinions on the ideas during the assembly they werent allowed to cast a vote elixir brian al jazeera. Painting graffiti on just about anything as one white house has express themselves in many parts of the world no different in the jordanian capital but local communities didnt welcome straight out a few years ago things are changing under schapelle reports from. The canvas that miramar is working on it looks a lot different to the ones she used in our classes in university. Instead of producing art destined for a gallery or the wall of a wealthy household shes decided to paint for a different clientele. I didnt want to be in the system thats why i quit studying in the university graffiti has become much more welcomed by society and the government lately that i hear from on the street out is that they cant sign with their real names and they have to cover up when theyre painting here we dont have these issues im waiting for the situation when i have to run from the police or someone in the community because im painting on the walls or portraits or celebration of arab influence a tribute to the celebrated iraqi architect zaha hadid as well as palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish and lebanese musician Marcel Khalifa the paintings at the call has stairs and amman are surrounded by homes built in the 1930 s. The area has enjoyed a renaissance in part thanks to the work of miramar and other artists Getting Better to it has he actually the stairs transformed from normal sad stares to a colorful Tourist Destination and all of this affects our sales because people come here to take photos and then buy something from our stores with this artist completed the whole atmosphere of the area and helped us to attract more people. Many of the larger murals started appearing in 2013 after local graffiti artists decided to form a collective called. It hosts a festival each spring where people fly in just for the chance to leave their mark on the citys walls artists from around the world are coming here to jordan and along with the local artists the crossing boundaries not just of countries but also of wealth and. Plus they say theyre connecting the more affluent areas in the west of the city to the older and less developed ones in the east and the local businesses are enjoying an economic boost the neighborhood of mali has some of the most impressive in scale by one of jordans best known street artists the son of Palestinian Refugees so he bought tours creating landmarks in his Old Neighborhood that have changed more than the physical landscape of the area that neighborhood of. Problems like fights and drug dealing and all of that and its been weve been doing it for the past 4 years and its going to as i do think so much like. A lot of kids there like sort of going into the show to have like a way to interact with tourists who was coming to that neighborhood and were having a plan like now to make it through just an easy bringing like a lot of International Artists to do and its 28. 00 buildings that neighborhood. In addition to encouraging local children to be more artistic hopes his work will bring everyone together raise their spirits and express themselves in a colorful way and or chapell aljazeera in the jordanian capital amman. These are their hand lines the United States is reporting they conducted a raid in syria targeting the isolator Abu Bakar Al Baghdadi but there are conflicting reports about exactly whats happened the u. S. Magazine newsweek is citing a u. S. Army official who says back that he was killed iraqi state media say they will footage of the raid during which he died from some of been made some he isnt on the air for near a Turkish Border during this raid and number of helicopters were involved there were jets as well as some drawn observation involved as well so u. S. Forces went into this compound we believe according to these sources that you have told us media that there were some family members as well the pentagon official telling Newsweek Magazine that no children were harmed but 2. Wives dig detonated themselves as well. Who was wearing a suicide vest the 70 people being killed in 2 days of nationwide protests in iraq but demonstrators say they will not give up until there is political change. To the popular. Opinion polls in argentina point to defeat for the incumbent conservative president voting begins in a few hours the leftist town of the birth and. Campaigned on markers failure to deal with a worsening economic crisis. President s ask all of his government ministers to resign after declaring he has heard the message from mass protests and nationwide curfew was ignored by a 1000000 people on friday who were out on the streets protesting against inequality. And parts of central barcelona turned into a battleground between police and protesters following a largely peaceful march on saturday Police Used Batons charged people had been throwing bottles and rocks it is the latest mass demonstration in support of 9 jailed catalan separatist leaders. Got to look at the headlines here on aljazeera inside story is coming up next. To 0. They dont believe in the 2 state solution do you still believe in the 2 state solution we listen what i said was that pakistan would never start a war i am anti war we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter does iran. Sanctions against zimbabwe be lifted the president blames the u. S. And the girls for quit playing the economy not say the governments critics so whos right this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program. Zimbabwe used to be known as the breadbasket of africa some economists describe it now as a basket case inflation is nearly 300 percent and millions of zimbabweans are going hungry because they cannot afford basics the government blames international sanctions. President. Declared friday a national holiday. He urged the show to support a call on the u. S. And the European Union to lift sanctions imposed when Robert Mugabe was leader of the ruling zone or p. F. Says the restrictions are a crime against humanity and bans on government leaders and businesses are choking the economy opponents blame zimbabwes troubles on. Failure. Well. 6 actually sanctions arent just. Especially toy economy to everybody but what theyre doing a lot of our industries are to sanction creating to create jobs because every country needs funding i just want the people that they see to get to. What you. Do to them or that head to. Our what country hes only. We want. Just trying to function and they must be the elite and. The us and e. U. Impose sanctions against government leaders and Companies Nearly 20 years ago after political crackdown by the president Robert Mugabe the u. S. Financial and travel restrictions apply to 56 businesses and 85 people including president but on guy who are u. S. Arms exports to zimbabwe are also banned the e. U. Also banned the sale of military equipment could be used for oppression and froze the assets and impose travel bans on sons in bob wins linked to the government the extend the sanctions for another year in february the us has since impose sanctions on zimbabwes state security minister saying he was involved in gross violations of human rights. Lets bring in our guests in johannesburg by sky aditi Program Manager of Foreign Policy of the south African Institute of International Affairs and in london patricia. New yorker you care a present over the zimbabwean Opposition Party movement for Democratic Change their representative from zimbabwe is running pass on a pair forced you to join the panel but unfortunately had to cancel welcome to a does it how significant are the sanctions imposed on the zimbabwean government these are sanctions that have been imposed really actually since 2000. What happens is that they continue to be updated based on persons of interest and potential sort of. You know sort of who that was deemed to be sort of corrupt and so on and obviously also its been adapted to to accommodate the new sort of Political Leadership that has taken over in zimbabwe it is principally this 2 sets of sanctions one that levelled at the from the e. U. Side which at this point in time is only really relevant to greece mugabe and then theres the us tax sanctions which are targeted at a specific list of are of individuals and companies and state owned enterprises and then of course theres the dera. Sort of conditions which are not. Sanctions necessarily but they do impose certain restrictions on the way in which the u. S. Behaves in terms of. Sort of it didnt really get really is a public patricia what kind of impacts you see in the near future. Before i actually answer that question i wanted to thank the zimbabwean people for standing up against the regime yesterday i think that this stance that the current government had taken in collaboration with sadeq over the north sanctions march didnt work yesterday the people of zimbabwe stood up and they stood against the regime and by so doing they they sent a really big message to say we are no longer interested in hearing your propaganda about the sanctions that they they they sing about all the time and with regard to. Any impact. I think that in terms of these targeted sanctions against individuals and organizations that are owned by by these individuals any lifting of those sanctions would create a very unsafe environment in zimbabwe and i think what we need to talk about today the p. F. Imposed sanctions on the people of zimbabwe in the form of our corruption and the lack of rule of law as well as the gross Human Rights Violations that we have seen accel rate since 2017 aditi the government was expected to see a huge number of people show up for the rally against the sanctions that didnt happen could be an indication of the government is failing to sort of win the hearts and minds of its own people. Well yes i think that. I think that there is a widespread acknowledgement that. You know there is enough is enough from the the the population of the general population are in the back where i think what im after is that people are not really buying into the kind of rhetoric that used to fly you know in previous years and the point that we try to make when were doing these analysis on zimbabwe is that one of the principal failings perhaps of of the Current Administration is lack of acknowledgement of the fact that. Has been in crisis or you know since the early 2000 and theres a very recent history that seems to be repeating itself that you know so people are tired of hearing the same. The same sort of messages theyre tired of our you know a lack of movement taking place and actually in many ways also the blame that is being attributed to externals rather than and a real sort of self reflection on what actually internally needs to be done to to sort of overcome the political and economic crisis that thats currently engulfing the bubbling patricia these sanctions have in place for almost 20 years and we havent seen any dramatic impact on the political establishment in zimbabwe why would you think that this time it could be different. I dont think that is going to be any difference to to to to the Current Situation in zimbabwe there is a targeted sanctions that are that have been in place of a of a 20th and that change over time have had absolutely no impact because the current government does not to wish to see any change any change in behavior to how they operate with regard to the political. To ation as well as with regard to the election core electoral reforms means that it might to take away from them their power that they hold their power to continue to poland and new to the resources in zimbabwe into my to take away from them the opportunity that they currently have to continue in their corrupt activities so its very difficult really to to think about if they would be any change at all in the removal of any targeted sanctions against individuals as well as organizations that are owned by the p. F. Leadership elites. And the inner circle are such. A holdings and you know recently we were we were reading about some of the measures that had been put against traffic gura holdings but still that has not improved aditi the and Robert Mugabe the answer was clear and other militant sanctions are a violation of our National Sovereignty and was seeing the same narrative by man and god i mean so any indication here that this government could make any concessions in the near future. Just before i answer that question i think what i want to add actually really other previous point is regarding impact is to actually also say i think what were actually missing in the current analysis of zimbabwe is yes on the one level it is very much a business as usual sort of approach by government as a whole in terms of how they are perceiving their their power relationship with with their with their. Citizens but actually i think one of the very Different Things that that is important for us to bear in mind with regard to right now is that it actually is it a much more fractured Political Party and political entity then under president mugabe and so while on the one hand you can say that you know theres a skepticism around you know the fact that this is a lack of trust in the government i think they are actually also him and with him who are trying to implement the kind of reforms that are necessary. Who who have a compass and of the fact. That you know things cannot be business as usual any longer but the you know its because of the fractured nature of our of. Our of the politics are of the Political Party at this point in time theres actually a tussle and its almost like you see the schizophrenia. Sort of engagement between you know one arm of the vote is zanu and the other so you know one hand you you know the sort of passing legislation that is supposed to sort of make access to information free you know if addressing the poster the public order. Bill but then on the other hand that you know these you know constantly going out and arresting and abusing human rights activists and trying to question violently question. Political protests so yeah its a just that theyre showing patricia the International Community the u. S. In particular are saying that they want to see some adversity reforms particular when it comes to the election law reforms and the media reform do you think the government ultimately will have to make some concessions will come so the election reform. Yes i think that the government needs needs to to to to to do something but i think what we know is that its not going to to to be possible for the government to make any concessions the government is not willing to change as we have already touched on the fact that sanctions have been in pause of all these targeted groups of individuals and organizations they have been asked to to to reform they have been asked to ensure that there is rule of floor in the country and we are not seeing any change of movement from the current government it is unlikely that they are going to change i think what is needed is a new government what is needed for zimbabwe today is new leadership because the longer that the current standard p. F. Led government stays in power we are going to see a continuation of the human rights are abuses that we have witnessed on the left of august 28th that we with witnessed in in january when 17 people were killed and 50 women raped and just most recently on the 18th of october 29th seen a young vendor a young man who was out to trying to earn a living was assaulted by the police and he died in custody and nobody has been held accountable i dont very much that there is going to be any change across any area we have been involved with the politically economically or media reforms one of the key sectors aditi where the u. S. In particular is looking for this is a change which is basically the roof or of the Security Apparatus in zimbabwe to put an end to the. Clampdown on who are wise activists how do you see a possible reform of that parameters when the establishment itself remains intact. And i dont think that it is very likely i think weve written about this before actually if it really is its. Simply because of the way in which its not just the political leaders in zimbabwe or that are corrupt it is actually also the institutions that limb themselves to abuse and you know so youve got this 2013 constitution that is actually quite progressive but very Little Movement has taken place in order to have the litigation comply to that and i think you know Security Sector reform is something that is going to necessitate. A. Refigure figure configuration of the relationship between the state apparatus and the military which at the moment i dont think is is likely especially considering that in the post more garbage youre in the military has has ascended in many ways to prominence. In in with given how has actually sort of taken on a more public role in the in the sort of daily management are the government where they went in in the past but tricia there are those who would say that if you continue why then the way of all the sanctions. People might perceive that because of the sanctions the facing the reality of a they are facing a there for this could just backfire as far as you are concerned. I dont think that that is the position. That they miss to be some change for for the people of zimbabwe but what i can say is that the current government is antagonizing the organizations that are giving aid to to the country they are not paying attention to the fact that change has been called for or over the many is in that actually in order for us to move ahead we need a government to be in this new government and to Pay Attention to to the needs of the people of zimbabwe and if you when you have food shortage when you have poverty when you have inflation what do you think should come 1st or the call for a broad Inclusive National dialogue. I mean i think that there are already calls for a broad Inclusive National dialogue i think that my issue regarding sanctions because i dont think that the the focus on sanctions is necessarily 100 percent incorrect i think that they definitely do act as a deterrent for investment into zimbabwe definitely a lot of the International Community that are based in zimbabwe that you know when i spoke to them in august i look to the u. S. For direction in terms of how to how to engage with the if it is definitely some truth to that but i think that the you know what has to what has to come with that discussion around a levy eating sanctions has to be continued pressure on on the government in terms of pushing for the kinds of reforms that are necessary to really sort of transform zimbabwe politically into something thats a little bit more accountable transparent and representative of its people and you know its so much my point regarding sanctions and sadek and actually even i see the e. U. Has also lent its weight behind this for me is that if if they is that that solidarity from the partner who bought our region to support this call for for a dropping of sanctions i think there has to be a can comment and political intervention on the part of sadek on the part of the African Union to be able to place the pressure or to be able to assist zimbabwe in that political transformation that is absolutely necessary but to show why isnt the African Union leading the effort to start genuine reconciliation genuine reform in zimbabwe. I think because they have seen that there is a need to to to reengage they they know that without that reengagement they could be a disturbing lation of the Southern Africa region if the Current Situation persists in zimbabwe i think also i wanted to add to what had any of say about the role of sajak particularly with regard to the call for for sanctions what what that means is that it could actually be a real threat to democracy in Southern Africa if a whole block of countries standing up together without challenging. A government that has clearly breached its on a constitution that it it signed up to so i think that the African Union have seen the need to to renegotiate it to come to the table to discuss to make sure that the country can move forward and to bring together to the table all of the Key Stakeholders and interested parties to put to progress the country aditi of this is the problem that people say that basically they were expecting southern which is the south African Development community to take over to be the one leading the answers to this and this seems to be completely disconnected in denial about the are going to the people of zimbabwe. Yeah i mean its a foreign a political analyst that has been studying subject for a number of years now i would say that i dont think that im necessarily surprised i dont think. Set it has been particularly representative of human rights issues in the region as a whole i think you know last year we saw the way in which it treated the elections of the d r c and its approach to the the sort of 2 year delay that it took for the elections to be held at the r c as as an indication for me that you know its not going to its you know its not particularly sort of concerned with that with that intimate. And it really is just you know in terms of politics its it seems to be dominated by the stands are solidarity politics between you know form and the gratian movements we have now become you know governments and is this you know sort of. A doctrine that has been was instituted i think under president mbeki which which people still sort of allude to not going is this idea of why diplomacy that you know theres not going to be a public pronouncement you know calling out of the government of zimbabwe but they would deliberate deliberate behind the scenes im not aware that there has been consistent and. With the 1st engagement with the government behind the scenes in definitely in the past since the actions took place ok patricia i mean we understand the situation as it is we know about the political impasse in zimbabwe my question to you do you think from your own perspective. As a member of the service at the table of the Opposition Party movement for Democratic Change that if theres any chance in the near future for a power sharing agreement that would pave the way to a transition to democracy in zimbabwe would you jump in. No i think that we are very clear about that. Present to mr has spoken on this issue on many occasions we are asked about it very often but but but we do not think that that would work if you remember back to 2003. 18 we were in government of National Unity and in those 5 is where the most successful year is for for the for symbolic as a country and soon after that the ruling parties done it here have decided to go it alone now with all that we witness in the country the lack of human rights the lack of rule of law. The corruption and the lack of addressing issues would mean that we we dont think that that is the way we would want to go what we would like to see in terms of discussions is getting around the table having some National Discussions in case they cause us facilitated by non political entity and we want to we want a new government we are ready. To see your point of government and we think that 70 s. Time is up really this is a less than 30 seconds if the situation continue. How do you see the future of zimbabwe. Not very good i think its a its a very bleak picture youve mentioned already and. You know poverty its hurtling towards you know 50000000. 00 zimbabweans next year will be food insecure theres no electricity theres no water that is at risk of cholera and thats just the sort of human Human Security challenges there are significant. Challenges that the but we need to have i think that its not impossible for it to do so but it does need to actually sort of show more earnestly that it is willing to undertake that reforms that are necessary i. Q. And so to move away from this mentality we wont require muscles out of power good to talk to patricia thank you very much indeed for your contribution to the program and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website dot com for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com for was slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is a. J. And so i saw it from a hash a lot about on the entire team here in doha i for now. Rewind retains with a new scenery. Right. Now to see a documentary. Behind continues with. Hours of peoples money being taken for a whole lot of money. Down in training one day on aljazeera. Ive. U. S. Forces reportedly carry out a raid in syria targeting the isolator al baghdadi most wanted back that his find has unleashed on president violence across syria and iraq. Elephant oh how everyone im come out santa maria with the world news from Al Jazeera Hong Kong police fired tear gas at protesters holding on to a government demonstration. And argentineans prepared to vote for a new leader with president what is your macro his fate hanging in the balance. So the United States has reportedly conducted a raid in syria targeting the ice the leader Abu Bakar Al Baghdadi we have these exclusive pictures just in of the aftermath of the raid on a house in the province of it there are conflicting reports we have to say about whether this operation was a success or not but the u. S. Magazine newsweek is citing a u. S. Army official who says baghdad was killed 48 year old iraqi has been reported dead several times before now ahead of the u. S. Media reports the president s donald trump tweeted this just one line something very big has just happened the white house is trying to make a major announcement 1300 hours g. M. T. Sunday which is just under 5 hours from now so heres our team to talk through this will be would say in the lebanese capital beirut for a bit of background in a moment but were starting with the touch of a name in the iraqi capital baghdad in the absence of confirmation from the american so far what have we learned about the actual rate itself are you talking to me come out im sorry i didnt hear yes go ahead natasha i. Ok i thought you said zaina look if in fact al baghdadi is dead this would be a huge coup and a welcome one for the United States and its allies for years there has been a manhunt for al baghdadi a 25000000. 00 bounty on his head for years there have been many raids by the United States and its allies in an attempt to capture al baghdadi again we do not have confirmation that he is in fact one of the senior terrorist leaders thats a direct quote from Army Officials in the United States who were killed during this raid but we do believe based on the telegraphing thats coming from trump the nature of the white house announcement on a sunday at 9 am in the morning washington d. C. Time that for sure whatever this news is the u. S. Administration certainly considers it big news this is what we know that an elite group with the u. S. Army was assisted by the Central Intelligence agency with reconnaissance and intelligence gathering on the ground they went into a compound in. 5 in syria thats in the northwest portion of syria its quite near the syria turkey border during this raid sources are telling American News outlets that a man detonated a suicide vest and that is what where all these information is circulating that the man who detonated that suicide vest was in fact the head of ice salt its a bit unusual by the way analysts are saying that he would have been hiding out in italy there are other armed groups in it live that are considered rivals advice old not allies but also with this fluid situation on the ground in syria eisel fighters had also been fleeing to the it live area so perhaps if baghdad he is and was in fact in that area he might have attempted to take refuge with these eisel fighters and the reaction anything from the iraqis so far. I was you can imagine if in fact al baghdadi is dead this is going to be extremely welcome news here in iraq baghdad was in iraq he began his socalled caliphate in 2014 in mosul and then it wreaked havoc on the country and affected the lives of millions here alone the Iraqi Government is planning to make a statement of its own later on today Iraqi Television is already circulating pictures of this raid and what were hearing is that theres already a crisis here in the country with the government fighting for its survival there are thousands who have been on the streets once again this month. Protesting against the government asking for the government to resign and what analysts are saying is that this could be a moment for the Iraqi Government to divert the attention away from these domestic issues if in fact baghdadi was killed to portray this as a victory and one in which they played a role in Iraqi Government is reminding people that it has worked alongside the United States and the u. S. Load coalition to defeat eisel by offering intelligence gathering and assistance. Natasha good name there in baghdad thank you apologies for the confusion before but we are going to talk to zain a hoarder now whos in the lebanese capital beirut for a bit of. Background on the man himself how he rose to power quite so quickly more to the point how i saw under his leadership move quite so quickly back in 24 to. Well he was the man behind i souls expansion and creation the roots of i still is from al qaida in iraq. Was the leader of al qaida in iraq in 2010 how was he able to expand control and gain all this power well he exploited 2 things 1st of all the security vacuum and neighboring syria at the time many areas in Northern Syria were outside the control of the government there was a war and he managed to exploit this to be able to recruit to attract fighters to to recruit fighters because what he relied on was exploiting the grievances of the sunny population both in iraq and syria in iraq it was a shiite led government was in control of the country the Security Forces were really most of these tiny population in the center of of iraq they were afraid of the Security Forces they were afraid of the government in neighboring syria it was the same thing the saudis felt that they were under attack by an alawite led a government which is backed by iran so he used those 2 things he exploited the security vacuum and he exploited the grievances of the sunni population and so on he took control of territory in syria in iraq taking over cities declaring the state of iraq and the levant but soon people started to turn against him because of the way his fighters were dealing with the people they were oppressing people they were imposing a very strict interpretation of islamic law and. It was also under fire from rebel groups Syrian Opposition rebel groups who did not believe in the creation of of this Islamic State he also had differences with al qaida in syria so he was up against that he had a lot of enemies and of course the u. S. Led coalition with the help of kurdish fighters both in syria and then iraq managed to take control of territory from his group and they were fighting for their last stronghold in march this year in bonn who is which was just a small town they lost control of the town in march really declaring the u. S. The clear the territorial defeat of iso but then we saw a month later that that the appear in the video his 1st video in 5 years trying to rally support saying that we have not been defeated and just last month a purported audio message from the iso leader so he was really behind the groups expansion and creation but if indeed his death has been confirmed it will be a blow to the group which really has suffered a lot of losses in recent years. In beirut thank you well continue the conversation with my one couple under rector of policy analysis at the arab center for research and policy studies maybe we can just pick up on what we were saying with their what saina said at the end of their answer how much of a blow it will be to isolate because within a group like this with a. Group or an Al Qaeda Group if the leadership is decapitated it is a big loss but these groups are bigger than one person well youre absolutely right i think its a big blow to losing. Its leader but as you said i mean this is. Not very centralized organization and there since we dont have a very clear hierarchy of that one leader is actually controlling. All the branches and all of the people that are part of the organization so we have seen actually in many attacks in different places not taking orders from a better diety himself actually but people acting on their own and they. Of so the big law indeed but its not the end of the of the organization especially the motives which have created or led to the creation of ice that are still very much a deer. Negligence mix occlusion especially of the sunni population in syria and iraq and many other places around the region so i think they will remain. Active for for many years to come but very much weaken the saluki well how strong would you describe are seen as being now i know thats a very broad question because its a cross a very wide area i think yeah i think we have to differentiate 2 loveseat we are if you have talking about the military operational level it has been weak in the lots because it has been i mean defeated in syria and in iraq to a great extent they lost their capital iraq are there also the last almost in 2017 they lost most of the territories diggy and starting in 2000 in 20152014 but if we are talking about the intellectual ideological level its a completely different issue because the idea is still very much alive as i said as long as the motives of the causes which have actually led to the rise of the organization are still very much a deal unless we deal because security approach is not is not the cure to the phenomena of feisal i think we have to deal with it in a different way and dont forget to did that we have a lot in syria and this guy in my opinion if we dont deal with it in a very smart way because you have or the children and women of isilon are held there without the schools without syria this is without any sort of supervision so if we dont actually deal with this camp and many other. Such places that have been left actually by but after the defeat of a. I think we are going to see more of those people and theyre. Getting recruited by by the organization these kids who are today 10 or 12 years old in 5 and 567 years they would become a grown up and i think they would become a very important pool of recruitment for what i said if we dont deal with this in a in a very smart way and all potentially exacerbated by other events in syria like the withdrawal of u. S. Forces absolutely. And also or i mean dont forget that. If you have that the Syrian Regime taking control back of one of these territories without changing the approach which in the 1st place have led the 1st days have led to the rise of ice and i think
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