The u. N. Tribunal for the former yugoslavia has come to an end a ceremony was held in the hague on thursday attended by u. N. Secretary general on toy or tears and the dutch king marks the end of nearly twenty five years of investigations and prosecutions over the wars and the former yugoslavia in one thousand nineties and side story is up next. A new leader and hopes of a new era in south africa is expected to clean up the image of the ruling a. N. C. And revive the fortunes of off because biggest economy but can sit on the post live up to those challenges this is inside story. Hello and welcome to the program. Then you need one of africas Oldest Political Party says he has a new vision for his country businessmen activist and politicians to develop a household on South Africans to fight corruption with the same intensity as poverty and inequality he was chosen as the new leader of the ruling a. N. C. Party and a bitterly Fought Campaign earlier this week on up also now wishes to put all that behind and given you direction to his party the African National congress wishes to send a clear message to or some of the friction that we are resolved to be more of a sponsor and long counter leadership and a more accountable movement to the people off our country we must also act fearless. I gazed alleged corruption and abuse of office within our own brain. Brave words from the new leader but it will be difficult for them opposed to walk the talk lets take a closer look at the challenges he faces his plans to wipe out corruption will likely bit him against president zuma supporters who control the highest Decision Making body of the a. N. C. This would also make him a process called to unite the party a tougher. He could have a hard time getting people from camp on board to support his bands and of course the economy will be at the forefront at a time when employment in south africa is at fourteen year high and growth is down to zero point seven percent the lowest in nearly a decade lets bring in our panel of guests all joining us from johannesburg own ghani. N n c member and National Security advisor to the Police Minister in south africa grandmasters and from the Electoral Institute for sustainable democracy and from the aisles is the rest center for studies welcome to you all i missed out by asking mr ben one of this can. Bring the party of past the divisions that weve seen over the last few weeks and move forward to unite the nation and also the a. N. C. Festa for lower you know. To be here but importantly the a in c. Once again found itself renewed this weekend or this week with the election of coverage sort of a poster is the president of the sea. As to the pair cage that introduced the subject you want to just make it clear that. I do not and we do not foresee any conflict within the scene so far as the issue of corruption trial is concerned it has been the a. N. C. Polisi for quite some time even the past president himself has spoken highly against corruption the issue now is that theres a new broom a para a broom that is perceived differently than the old broom to deal with the issues at hand. Mr masterson do you see it the same way which is everything is basically hunky dory and that the old shaft is behind and people are moving forward there will be no can. In the near future within the a. N. C. I would say that for now the a. N. C. Has managed to mend some bridges theres clearly been a coming together within the party and i think a delicate balance has been struck and the party is probably quite hopeful that moving forward there can be a greater sense of purpose and of unity within the party of course there are some very very difficult challenges in the immediate future of both the party and the country and the new president of the a. N. C. Has got a very full in box when it comes to some of the issues that he has to deal with some of the immediately pressing concerns of the the court case that has deferred the appointment of a new director of Public Prosecutions from the current sitting president of the country to the Deputy President which is also now the new president of the a. N. C. Use the room oppose it and i think that this this issue will be resolved in early january february and this has the potential to open it up again some of the the wounds that this conference that the n. C. A. A. Has already i mean so mystify code it were talking about a new man who takes over the leadership of the party he becomes potentially the new candidate for the president ial elections to be held in two thousand and one thousand how whether will he be able to overcome two major obstacles this are basically the top six and the National Executive committee within the party is those who have the ultimate say over internal politics yes i think youll be able to. He will manage to to bring some sense of unity within the and the sea and the top six of the sea but i face is a mammoth task in terms of educating or getting rid of corruption within the rank and file officials of the a c. Because it has become. A widespread practice both in government and within the party and that i think will be. His measure challenges a comes in to lead todays c towards the twenty nineteen which is said to be the next Election Year for four for south africa but but the most important thing i think we need to note is is that it has become common to all. Not often but African Leaders that every political speech masuk to the word corruption and one would have hoped that south africa being one of the most sophisticated economies in africa that kind of language and rhetorical will not will would have not included the words would have moved toward but still find ourselves talking about that educating corruption which definitely was an alien fortunate among many people however this is why i want to go back to mr and then dwane dont you see that im opposed to someone who is walking a very delicate political tightrope because if he keeps bashing corruption issue which has become a very pervasive culture in south africa hes aiming at his friend within the party zuma if he keeps quiet people will say this is just his colluding with his boss. Usually president zuma speeches will have at least. The word corruption mentioned nor less than twenty times. The is nothing thats going to make the current president. Collide with the state president is wilma on the east nothing whatsoever the reason why im. Basically because if we here have many people saying that zuma has turned south africa into a person in pile of his own. Well thats where i was going inside africa we have a very clear separation of powers a president does not prosecute does not instruct prosecutors nor does the president instruct police on what to do in so far as the cases and allegations that have been mentioned which include or mentions the state president jacob zuma those matters are before the processes and they are unhindered his presence in government or indeed as the then president of the a. N. C. Did not matter in so far as the police or the prosecutors are concerned ok what is happening. Investigations on the midterms and they will be before courts in no time what we need which we now have in the state of president obama is a person whose personality personifies until corruption drives so that we not only heard but sian to be indeed ok and to Corruption Party mr masterson is the back room is the background of mr rubb opposed to something which is going to be helpful in the fight against corruption the issue of land grab with us compensation and also the economy because were talking about someone who started his career as an antiapartheid activist then became trade union leader and then one of the wealthiest guys in south africa yeah. The president of the a. N. C. Ceramic poses got a very interesting background he comes from a trade Union Background and initially he has a strong credential in the Antiapartheid Movement and of course he was instrumental as a chief negotiator negotiator for the end. C. In the go shooting south africas new constitution in one thousand nine hundred five in one thousand nine hundred six so the expectation is that he is well versed in the constitution as in which guides south africas biggest laws and more recently he has become a somewhat controversial figure to to mine is associated with the americana tragedy his role and his involvement as a nonexecutive board member on the lawn board for the the events leading up to that massacred maracana has muddied the waters somewhat but i think you campaigned for the a. N. C. Presidency on a ticket of being good for business of getting the economy going again and certain the expectation the hope amongst his supporters is that he will deliver on that mr suffolk or day another person made radical reform of the economy a major issue during the campaign for the last into the presidency of the a in c. Were talking about the continents power house to do that you need to have to combat corruption prosecute those responsible for the mistakes that were made in the past and also install a culture of. Bring in all the institutions to be held accountable will he be able to do that. Well if it is one major challenge which i think they see tried to water the water down and that is the is currently two centers of power in south africa you have the president of the e. C. Which is sort of im appalled but jacob zuma remains the president of the country and whatever the ambitions sort of oppose it might have in terms of rectifying the. Mistakes of the past committed by jacob zuma he might find it difficult if two groups of moderate manes the president of the country the only way that you might have sort of a poser pursuing his agenda which is over form is if he goes and occupy. The top office which is the president of south africa but i dont see him really effecting change as long as it remains the person of the of of the party not of the country but ultimately. I would like to ask you this question were talking about the challenges ahead that faces but i would like to ask you this question if we go back to history one thousand nine hundred four those days when their son mandela was talking about the rainbow nation nation his landmark speech in one thousand nine hundred four when he said today there would be feeding from want there provision and hunger this is no longer the case people now the young people have been voting for the a. N. C. Blame the party itself for being him. Inefficient responsible for embezzling public funds isnt this something that could undermine the chances of the a. N. C. To win the elections in the future if it doesnt get its act together. I mean every government ought to get its act together in todays Global Economy complex it is. The advent of the. Digital economy globally in fact this revolution experience seeing has. Really disturbed a number of economists sorry hes not the only one that is disturbed by side. Changes in Global Economy. Indeed one must not underscore and base to meet the the corruption element that has been experienced and so are free to however it is not the only issue that we have in fact it does affect your moral and so forth but in terms of the sheer numbers of who it would be just cold to it and deal with the numbers sort of because budget is roughly around one point three trillion ranz and it collects roughly about the same amount in terms of tax revenue you dont see more than five percent of that disappearing into corruption yes its bed yes it must be kept it disturbs the country it occupies the psyche of the nation it makes all of us just school crazy with daily news about it its something that must be curbed stopped and really people must face the the law on it ok however there are Serious Problems in that the South African economy is that of in in the quote income inequality Wealth Redistribution we need to look closely at our Monetary Policy and how it actually deals. This thing for work because we cannot just say well fine now youve stopped thirty billion rands a year of corruption then want that the d. P. One remains a year that goes to the record option will not change a world mr masterson for for for for a former boss or to implement the ideas that mr m. Been has been talking about he needs to have a united party but we talking about and see how the has been historically speaking. Beset by divisions nineteen ninety seven two thousand and eight two thousand and twelve two thousand and fourteen the top six are divided down the middle the National Executive committee is also divided how can he be able to implement the reforms when his own Political Party needs a clean up i think we need to divorce two issues there is the issue of being divided as a party and having different visions for where you want to take south africa theres nothing surprising about that and i think one of the real skills that the a. N. C. As a Political Movement has managed throughout the years is that it is managed to keep its internal inconsistency is in check and they have managed to find common positions so i think that an internal Division Within the a. N. C. Is perhaps different in prison from a pose of being unable to affect his policies i think that perhaps the where the issue does become more more clear cut is that the the opportunity costs of money lost by the fiscus annually to corruption and thirty billion is a very conservative estimate by my account that that opportunity costs are significant in particular when you look at some of these issues the issues of inequality are praising issues for south africa and one of the major calls that have weve seen in recent years has been that student fees for University Students must fall now the president of the country jacob zuma has recently announced that fifty billion rand will be found within the fiscus to fund Free Education for those students which is a move that should be welcomed but the question is where is that money going to come from given the limited resources that the government budget always has to deal with its priorities these are these are pressing questions and so the opportunity costs of losing money in the fiscus are things that given the pressing needs of inequality that we have in the country we just cannot afford those mr isnt it march to ask for. To bring about change a radical. Change when the economy is suffering major problems particularly the Unemployment Rate is a record high as a deficit also and were asking him to fix all the problems of the last twenty five years yes i think what weve seen in the india signs or the early signs after the election of them opposer has been very positive weve seen the market reacting positively to his election but i think id like to take the discussion forward and just yes please take it outside the economy we still have a very serious political challenges in south africa and i think until we rectify the political challenges that n. C. Faces number one is the unification within the seed self and all other social political problems that exist in south africa particularly in terms of the Service Delivery within various poor communities themselves because thats one of the major challenges serum appalls the hinted yesterday that the a. N. C. Was going to engage in a very aggressive lenders to do to Redistribution Program that has been a very very important issue here in south africa and i think he will have to work extremely hard not alone but will have to involve other other other members of other Political Parties particularly the white formations within this country who are still in control of the most shortage of the land and those are the people that have to be convinced that the distribution of land is essential in order for us to achieve some kind of National Cohesion evocatively your point mr benjamin in many believe that dilma zuma has become more of a liability for and the best chance for the apostle now is to oust zoom out the same way they did to him back in two thousand and eight but what do you say about it. Well president obama positives not have such powers to anybody those powers. Located to the National Executive committee and i just want to correct something. That hearing from my colleagues here. Does not have polices he has no personal policies the a. N. C. Crafts policies and elects members. Amongst self to lead in trying those policies forward so the police is pretty the president. Was or even going to actually Going Forward those of the a. N. C. Coming out of this congress the fifty Fourth Congress as for the future of. State president jacob zuma that is also a matter for the any c two to consider both in terms of electoral politics and otherwise ok lets really have Serious Problems and solve our free card lend redistribution Monetary Policy and other element as you know the key iraq to right when you say these are major issues mr masterson but also the future of zuma is also something which is now debatable because many believe that the price of having him out of office. Outweighs the massive losses in the elections even in one in one thousand nine hundred in to twenty nine thousand if he stays in power the n. S. C. The top six the party itself could suffer a massive loss as well do you think mr masterson well i think thats obviously for the voters in two thousand nine hundred to decide that that is one scenario that has been widely bandied about in south africa in recent times but i tend to agree that the simple removal of president zuma is not a foregone conclusion and would not necessarily solve some of the issues that the end. He may face at the ballot box in any case present from a poser was the victorious candidate by a very small margin within the a. N. C. And so there is just as much reason to believe that some diehard supporters of the other candidate ducked and courses on it lemieux zuma may feel disillusioned now that their candidate has not been successfully voted in as the president so its very very difficult to make those kind of analyses at this stage about whether or not president jacob zuma remaining in office twenty nine thousand will have a Material Impact at the ballot box i think that we have seen as a trend of the last few elections the a. N. C. Is performance has dipped and much of the analysis centered around the personality of the president but again in twenty nine thousand with a new president with a new look in e. C. With new policies being announced at this conference its very difficult to predict ok voters are going to and this is going to be my last question to mr fuckwit himself acquitted you think that needs to reinvent itself or that the top priority now is for the South Africans to tackle the problems that they were not able to seriously tackle over the past few years while the tenure of jacob zuma has been disastrous for so it has certainly it must reinvent itself if it wants to continue you know dominating the the view the political dominance that theres only the head in south africa so it has to read event itself the twenty nineteen when you have a nested elections if it does not to reinvent itself it might just lose the majority to that the currency it currently has in politics. Mr. What what are your hopes for the future of the country whether mr of a force or. Briefly. Its clear the trajectories upright still in charge of governance the a. N. C. Need not to reinvent itself how every new. The. She should remain until imperialist until. The Progressive Movement and in touch internationalist in its make up we will just have to go back to the roots and do what we do to people who to do right by our people it will be interesting to see how things evolve in the near future for south africa. Best. Mr masterson thank you very much indeed for for your time and thank you to forcing you can see the program again any time by visiting our website as you know dot com and for further discussion go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com for slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is a. J. Inside story from the house and the whole team here by phone or. You are making very pointed remarks where on line the main u. S. 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