A new Coalition Government collapsed president frank involved a steinmeyer once political leaders to rethink their positions he said on monday that he wasnt in favor of a snap election three way talks involving chancellor merkels christian democrats the greens in the Free DemocraticParty Breakdown on sunday night and those are the headlines. Whos in charge of zimbabwe and the embattled president Robert Mugabe is clinging to power and faces impeachment everyone but him seems to agree his time is so whats next for zimbabweans desperate for change this is inside story. Hello there and welcome to the program im laura Zimbabwes PresidentRobert Mugabe has ignored a deadline to resign his ruling zanu p. F. Posse had told him he must step down or be impeached now it says that process will begin the parties accusing mugabe of being responsible for political instability and an unprecedented economic tailspin and that frustration is spilling on to the streets with hundreds of students out protesting demanding mugabe get out of office a powerful War Veterans Association is also demanding mugabe step down and threatening High Court Action to have him removed. We want the war population to send up on our it in giving an unmistakable message that we want to see mugabe is back the country has to start on a new bridge is the rule is the desires of us but the reality of the last fifteen years no country has been reduced to the level of dibley decision which is what with going through with the only country which is going to war it is totally or bleed us to the damage which has been doing business in mobile who played with the we with indulging this. In the dirty way thats what has been his business in Parliament Nothing else the crisis started earlier this month when mugabe fired Vice President emerson milan ghagra putting his wife grace in prime position to take over as president when god was dismissal was the last straw for the army chief who was his long time ally the military seized power wednesday surrounding government buildings and putting the gobby under house arrest that led to extraordinary scenes in harare on saturday hundreds of thousands of zimbabweans flooded the streets to celebrate the apparent end of his thirty seven year grip on power on sunday the rulings on m. P. s dismissed mugabe as party leader and expelled his wife grace when an gag order was promoted to president of the party i was told he must step down or be impeached embattled leader was widely expected to resign hours later during a live t. V. Address instead he provoked anger and disbelief flanked by Army Generals who vowed to stay on until zanu p. F. Party Congress Next month this congress if you. Live a few weeks from now preside over its processes which must not be prepositioned by any acts calculated to undermine it or to compromise the outcome in the eyes of the public. Well lets bring in our Discussion Panel now and joining us from harare bright matonga a former government spokesman and deputy information minister under president mugabe and from new york a professor of law and constitutional expert at cornell north School Welcome both of you thank you very much for joining us here on inside story bright matonga you are a former spokesman for president Robert Mugabe can you give us some insight into whats going through his mind at this point in time he didnt resign in that speech on sunday took many people by surprise what happened. Is it must of the art of politics. He wants to be in control of a lot of things but i suppose if you have to be president thats how it has to be but the issue now is. For thirty souvenirs. In power for ninety three now next year when we have elections you can ninety four so you have if a few to him. By the time that is. Hell be ninety nine. Thats what people are saying what is it that he wants to prove is. This no one can. Live. Anyone to be a president so. Look its not a question of whether what goes into his mind but again is about you want to control everything he thinks in his mind because hes been so much in control before independence after independence thats more than forty something years so that wasnt that is life style so i think is to find it very difficult to comprehend beyond that but the people of zimbabwe look i think thank you mr. Youve done a lot of good things youve done a lot of bad things who doesnt so its time to hand over the button so again nieces know ill be there but bright who is supporting him i mean who is that telling him encouraging him to stay the course. Right. Right now its very difficult to because we dont know what it is ouse. We dont know we advise him but i think he comes to market loss is come on top all the time yes to fight all the time but i think now things are different people are so last night people expected more we expected him to do the right thing to say guys ive had you a video loud and clear i think i need to take a break and give someone you know you know the opportunity to take zimbabwe forward you know we dont even have on. Public dates forty percent of g. D. P. We dont you know we people are suffering in this again much poverty what this does is it kills families young girls are forced to go into prostitution to to get money for to sustain their level would so things are getting bad after now who is going to come in to visit is about which is. A very unstable economy so people just hold back in these five more years of suffering and. We think you are taking us right and we want to prove to you that you can do all the kinds of to run some people tomorrow. Again in their millions. I think you better move out in the parliament. About ten or so Senior Party Members has been working with the idea where he is going to come in and one more to you before we go over to there in new york just one more because youre talking about the people having had enough and coming out onto the street but it wasnt the people who finally moved to remove mugabe it was the army the people have put up with a decade of economic stagnation and human rights abuses so why did the army choose now to move. Look the me noticed that there was a vacuum the police was in so is the services they were not working in the for the best interest of the country so they spoke to him they asked him to intervene he didnt listen to them they made it public announcement and when the chief of the army said that you also wanted to arrest him and fame and fortune did that couldnt happen. Commander you know you respect you weve been with you in this trenches so high time you you have to listen to us theres no police force but the funny thing is now the interesting thing at the moment is you cant see any policemen along the streets in this sort of peaceful nor looting no crimes you know recorded and we were just happy if people saw united so i think the army of said we custody and of of the security of this country is better for you to do the right thing control your people if you can and then we have to tech the role of the police thats why the word vigilance today approached the high court to say they support the actions of the sort that they feel that give that has been left by the by the political and otherwise this is going to be. People who write listening and moving are now going to want to make a way that the army is going about removing mugabe that very keen to say this is not very keen not to have any bloodshed but is it constitutional whats happening in zimbabwe. I think that has read them or the other people rightly. So but when people mean the problem over mugabe has been there for quite some time and things were deteriorating and i think what you see the army trying to do is of course to try to use course constitutional ways rather than go into a straight forward corps and i think this is really in order to promote stability so that you know institutions remain in place and i think what has happened is that for various reasons that have been a new moderated by many people is about where the no longer able to breathe under the regime now so i think that to me what mcgovern could do now is to really do to save his to the country for him to step down so that there can be a new beginning this is an opportunity to go forward and resolve the countrys problems clearly move as a as yesterdays speech where he didnt step down theres not much hope that he is now going to end zanu p. F. Is x. Policy now is talking about impeachment proceedings beginning on tuesday just give us an idea of what needs to happen to get those proceedings underway i think the resignation that would have been the easiest way out. And this is provided for and to go into six of the constitution so he would have resigned and that would have been much much easier i think the impeachment process as the party said just is the next process that can go on the difficult way that is that there is a process to it in that you have to look at it and got to cause them to six one to seven to ninety nine and you find then that they would have tests through table motion before a joint sitting. Over the senate and there simply and then get. A majority of the members are supporting the. Motion and after that deliver top point a committee that would have to look into the. Impeachment. And thats specified grounds on which he has to be no you can impeach him and then you would have the committee of nine i think thats what hes provided for reporting. Back. To the joint sitting and then you would need a two thirds. Majority to remove him ok and i think theres also a complication and im just im just going to jump and say lets just listen im going to get some i am happy and pleased to be able to bring in also from harare an estimate saying gays a political commentator and director of the Zimbabwe Media Center and us were just talking this hearing from mena the process that needs to happen to get impeachment proceedings underway against Robert Mugabe on what grounds do you think mugabe could be impeached all of the usual. Issues. Being discussed with the design of the or so of course the what they are saying is that the mugabe should be peace because he he sat in the executive for thirty two years wife saying that yes roast a couple seated to make a decision indias instead have been captured. Specially use wife and the other people around the years was fraught with tsonga sacrifice present and went on god well lets take a look at him hes been named as the new policy leda he is known as the crocodile the in zimbabwe what do we know about him. He is you was sentenced to death when you was eight years old for carrying out good activities the only thing that spurred him death was because he was under age then from there or i mean he took part in the liberation struggle. Then from one thousand nine hundred eighty seven he was president assistant in a border guard sort of speak hes a lawyer hes been in solve security has been minister of defense has been minister of justice hes been. Head of parliament. And is now the. President so hes got a vast experience in terms of money meant finance finance. Law all those things so i think at the moment. People were looking forward to. To him taking over. Next presidency people are looking for all right you say to him thanking average thats. Not right but worries that he is just going to bring them more of the same that mugabe did. Or sometimes bitter deal would been a tickle you know but i think for my job it was a bubble is not a question of whether its emerson or whatever they just want to see a different president. You know thats what people are looking forward to i know you as my other colleague of impeachment the ordinary men doesnt understand the process is the order when for example now you know that president was fired get into his mind this impeachment is the footing that caused the ordinary men was that busy voted to impeach people dont care about the process the process will follow was you know you somewhere out this is the mood on this not my views but its what ive picked up from from the streets they say ok we dont understand this legal jargon but what we know is that impeachment is you know you have to go where no is that is that true or might bright be doing the zimbabwean people is like the service that saying they dont care about the processes and the intricacies of impeachment well i think that you know the processes you know would have to be followed if youre dr wade the call. And i think thats the issue at hand and i think also as the you know the process of removing margaret begins they also have to remember that you also have i think you have to jointly start the process of removing the Vice President because if you look at the constitution to find that when the president is removed the Vice President will be acting so i think that you have to deal with both in terms of war and in the constitution is provided for that you can proceed against the president and you can also impeach the Vice President. Just picking up marina says that if you impeach the president you also have to impeach the Vice President does that mean that were not going to see what im going coming up to the president they are going to be the people of zimbabwe right now. So tired and they are blending everything. That is in terms of the economy cut jobs and they would want to see someone else that the that is the truth on the surface that when you go deep down the people. Are saying no to assist the tea in both very just them they are saying no to a system that the abuses human rights so thats what the people are looking at to deep down so it is the end of the day we have a comes must to deal with the economy got to she must make sure that the economy is mend it must make sure that the people are able to work at least two or something must be like you other people get. Which is they work for you right now people read that in order that the kids in the bank so thats what people want there wouldnt mind the number of the person they wouldnt mind. The person is coming from what do they want is someone who can at least better their lives this was going on that situation of the people is but so what is wanted is someone who is coming with us that is a reform in terms of the economic front and the reform also in terms of the political front in terms of human rights so if that is what they want a convention for give one and god ways allegedly passed has passed ways leasure involved in a crackdown on opposition independents here is where more than ten thousand people were killed they can forgive that can they if you can bring about the Economic Reforms that they want. Yeah the people are willing to do that that badly this is not to say that those issues may totally be buried just by distraught change of a leader there will be a need for process is done he will use the nation because there are people as we speak you. Wouldnt even know the relatives who dont know their father or their mother who dont live birth certificate so i think the kind of a Truth Commission will probably be needed this is why Civil Society yes been talking of mission now peace and Reconciliation Commission we write. Just picking up there and what and i said just before we lost contact with him he said that there needs to be a Truth Commission im talking further down the line there are way immediately he said there needs to be reforms that need to be Economic Reforms in zimbabwe how quickly can they be put in place this is a process that has to be taken theres a lot of anger on the ground to sit in parliament you know. If there has to be a government i think it is prudent to involve everybody because the whole thing has been a mess. And fortunately at the moment there was very strong in which to relieve the roof was an appeal have to win again. But i dont know after this that is going to happen but he. Is going to take over they have to include everybody they have to you know zimbabwe is becoming like north korea you know no one wants to come to zimbabwe. So very bad tag you need investment you need if universal in zimbabwe or in a country you want to be sure that you know the return on investment you can dividends in zimbabwe is not clear because there is. No money. That you want you can get it but for some reason if you go in the streets you can find your u s dollars and thats not the way to run an economy its only the few privileged who are accessing. The foreign currency invest in such an environment where people you know you the people dont trust you and we dont trust you. Dont trust you your neighbors dont trust you anymore so we are in a catch twenty two asian twenty two situation either big miss put it that way when we hear if we are in a basement bob where as an exact math spots and there is an opening now first sense of optimism yes things can be put right and yes i would agree that. I would agree that you know the storage unit zimbabwes very difficult was about weapons and and i think that this is really a big lesson in terms of african states that you cannot have a monarchy style kind of government that you cannot you have to have or your. Emphasis on. This would not have happened if in fact mugabe did not stay in power for these years and also agree that Going Forward of course it would be necessary to look at the past in terms of trying to deal with the. Issues that. Were down whether your is a member of for Truth Commission or. Does Something Else or prosecutions that is up to it is in by ones to decide but they have to deal with the past and then after that i think they have to focus on creating institutions that are going to ensure that in fact human rights are respected and that that is participation by or in governance and thats when of course you begin to or. To come up we did the correct police is that the my my colleagues are missing and that are necessary to grow your. Economy and its just got a minute left last word to you mugabe is still commands a level of respect in zimbabwe doesnt his father of the nation do you think its legacy is going to be more hero or villain although i think it ws done a lot for this country we cannot do wish you my way just like that you contributed a lot to live but as you know this country you did some work i think is soon after independence you know the source of the gold on the guy genda in terms of education and you know the debating of the clean needs the building of schools and if you look at the zimbabwe to do obviously we are now losing out but we had a very good believe that india mugabe did something. With a notion but to some while ive been good to the turn of the ninetys there were problems these problems and moved on to kind of dent you guys so you did something in the deserves to be recognized. They found inside that one of the Founding Fathers was a bob despite his mistakes so what is important to draw when looking at that. Is that he should be symbolised down bore down aggressively so that people will not be in a flipped said ok were going to have to leave it as were going to have a delay jump in that were going to be on topic we will be revisiting an Interesting Times indeed for zimbabwe thank you very much all of you for joining us bright matonga. And ernest. And thank you to very much for watching you can see the program again any time by missing our web site as aljazeera dot com and further discussion do go to our Facebook Page thats facebook dot com for slash a. J. Inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a. J. Inside story from me norah kyle and the whole team here by. 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December on aljazeera. Youre watching are just there im still robin these are our top stories the man considered most likely to replace Robert Mugabe as zimbabwean president turns reportedly spoken out for the First Time Since the military takeover and. Said in a statement that mcgarvey should resign immediately well so barbaras parliament will start the process of removing the president Robert Mugabe from office in a few hours time and the powerful war veterans are warning that every piece not to stand in the way of impeachment christopher. Says anyone discouraging mugabe from stepping down will be held to account we want that there is unity between the two but the political body is warm so that. May be what had to go can be exit you did with speed so that he leaves office but we is the people as well we were vigilant we are not waiting for the constitutional process we said you got this you know the quote of the good quality. Saying on the continent