Nicolas maduro is hailing the result as and phatic victory but the outcome a spot on accusations of fraud from venezuelas opposition those are the headlines on aljazeera coming up next its up front so i hope you do stay with us thanks for watching. News has never there. But that message is a simplistic and misinformation is rife listening post provides a critical counterpoint challenging Mainstream Media narrative at this time on aljazeera with fake news and russian trolls dominating the headlines the founder of Wikipedia Jimmy wales says the news is broken but he can fix it ill ask him how. Im in the house and also on the show the palestinian activist nonviolent resistance has led him to be dubbed the palestinian gun the israel is about to put him on trial in a military court ill ask him what he thinks the future holds for the palestinian struggle but first in an era of trump fake news and russian propaganda tech giants such as google and facebook are struggling to find an effective way to stop the spread of this information the founder of online encyclopedia wiki pedia says he has the solution and is launching its own news outlet tribune but will it work this week headliner from london jimmy wales. Jimmy wales thanks for joining me from youre about to launch a project called wiki tribune with the bold objective to quote fix the news to combat the rise of fake News Facebook has Just Announced theyre actually in this thing we could pedia with you founded to help combat fake news so how big a problem do you think this really is is fake news in your view the threat to truth and democracy that some seem to think it is. Yes i do i think its a its a fairly serious problem and its a broader problem than just what i would call pure fake news i. E. These websites that have popped up that offer completely counterfeit stories and completely made up nonsense theres also the broader problem of a variety of relatively low quality media which is competing with the more traditional more respectable media in a really aggressive way for clicks and ad revenue and so forth which is really putting a lot more pressure on journalism than it has already experience which has been quite a lot of us like and just on the counterfeit stories tech giants like facebook and google really seem to be struggling with this epidemic of fake news just recently after the Las Vegas Shooting stories about fake suspects and fake motives were trending on facebook were coming top of the search results for google news it does seem to be the case that even today these multibillion dollar Search Companies and social Media Companies all failing and failing miserably at stopping the spread of false information of dissent from ation. Yeah thats true i mean im sympathetic to the problem that for example facebook faces because if people are sharing things without properly looking at themselves and it things are circulating very quickly through networks of very naive consumers people arent sophisticated about the news well its a tough problem for facebook and i think in a slightly different set of historical circumstances we would be all very upset if facebook had announced two years ago were going to decide whats good quality enough for you to share were going to decide if the news meets facebooks approval before you share it who said no facebook is trying to dominate the world but im im pretty optimistic that in another couple years time that piece of this puzzle can be solved and will be solved in the same way if you remember a few years ago everybody was in despair that spam was ruining email and you know every time you open your mail you got fifty completely random nonsense fake you know scam emails and so forth that problem has been almost completely eradicated through technology and it took a while for the Companies Get really serious about combating it but once they did they did make progress and i think that this is a very similar situation Mark Zuckerberg the facebook c. E. O. And founder initially downplayed the role that facebook may have played in influencing the results of the twenty sixteen u. S. President ial election in your view how decisive a role did Facebook Google twitter and the rest played in delivering the white house to donald trump i think its really hard to say i think it does appear to played a significant role i do think that the you know the russian influence that has been uncovered so far indicates a fairly high level of sophistication this wasnt as simple as simply paying for as a said donald trump is great it was really more about very complex strategies of Voter Suppression of you know running ads that were pro hillary but associated her with. Negative groups in the minds of certain voters it was a very sophisticated operation in terms of a large p. R. Campaign i think that did have an impact how large i dont think well know for ten years i think historians will have a lot to write about about this era and you mentioned how sophisticated the russian operation seems to have been in terms of infiltrating kind of Google Facebook this we discovered kind of the you tube google angle in terms of are you surprised not just how sophisticated was but the these guys the Big Companies were not able to see it coming we didnt spot this all into way after the election yeah yeah i am surprised im surprised that it took them that long to notice and its not like any of these companies is a great fan of donald trump by in fact if i had to guess about all the founders they probably all went in voted for hillary it was really more a matter of being asleep at the switch and not realizing that this scale of what could happen was happening so how does your new project we keep tribune proposed to solve this problem to me. One of the things is that the advertising only Business Model has been incredibly destructive for journalism you see even quality news outlets are under a lot of pressure to chase after clicks which attempts people into inflammatory stories into headlines and a lack of seriousness and so im launching with the tribune with no advertising the main reason for that is to really focus the attention of the organization on saying look we need people to read to the bottom of something weve written and say wow i understand the world in a different way this is something important this is something i should contribute to and pay for so thats one element is really looking at how can we adjust the Business Model the other element is really bringing in the community we know from the world of we hes. So on that. Communities can come together and do really good quality work of course it isnt perfect nothings perfect but that we have a community who take things very seriously and who really try hard to get it right and i think we can generate the same thing in the world of news even though today most websites that you know the most we see of community is just you know heres the news story and at the bottom here is the horrible place where the trolls all comment and are nasty to each other into the journalists and i think there is a better way i think theres a way to really say lets lets empower the best members of our communities to come in help participate do research. Do copyediting do all the kinds of things that people can do. To do something really interesting and something new i just want to understand how this new crowd funded news website wiki tribune would work if say ten thousand people signed up to become supporters of it and start pushing for a particular maybe random type of story will you then cover the story no matter how random it is and if so how do you then protect yourself from special interests Political Parties foreign governments from taking advantage of your model to use your website to push their agendas. Well this is the other element that you really do need to have balance you need to have a strong editorial vision that is about doing quality work you know in a very thoughtful way you need to have a really Robust Community i mean it would be very difficult for somebody with a fake Grassroots Campaign to come and have any impact whatsoever wiki pedia because we have a Large Community who are very dedicated to their more dedicated to wikipedia than they are to whatever somebody is trying to push on them but its not automatic i mean it is about culture it is about values i dont think its something to take lightly but i also dont think its an insurmountable issue so on that note you of course founded wikipedia the hugely Popular Online encyclopedia that allows anyone theoretically to write an edit entries which makes it a pretty obvious target i would say for spreading disinformation or trying to spread disinformation hoax stories can you say for a fact today jimmy wales that the russians didnt infiltrate the wikipedia editing community to in some shape or form during the last election yeah i can say that i mean im sure somebody tried im sure you can find de minimus things around the edges but the point is that we Keep Community is a very Robust Community they take their responsibility very seriously and theyre really good at vetting a new story so if somebody creates a fake news site that says pope and or says trump well that might spread virally on facebook because its going to spread from people who. Dont think we should be condescending not Everybody Needs to be an expert on the news but people arent an expert others may say oh wow thats amazing and they pass and pass it to the friends who pass it and pass and pass it on on the wiki p. D. And wait a second that seems unlikely lets see if we can verify that first and then they have a debate about the quality of the sourcing and so on and so forth so its very difficult when you really bring together a group of thoughtful people to pull the wool over their eyes isnt one of the real problems for all of you guys trying to tackle this issue a huge problem is that people read what they want to read mostly just to confirm. Own beliefs and biases these days they live in their own information bubbles cocoon silos and when they do see news that contradicts their identity or their narrative or their ideology they just dismiss it as fake and move on somewhere else how is wiki tribune going to solve that problem well i mean i think human nature is human nature and nothing is really changed about it certainly nothing has changed by human nature in the last two years i mean human nature doesnt move that quickly and so weve always had the problem of people wanting to confirm their own biases but i also find that theres a very deep undercurrent of people who say actually i want to be challenged i want to hear something that i disagree with but that is high quality thats actually interesting to a lot of people and the evidence for this in my view is that the p. D. Is more popular than many of the top newspapers of the world combined that people do have a hunger for just very basic very straight presented facts or maybe a little bit tired of coming to read a news story and getting something thats fifty percent an opinion piece and fifty percent a news story i think people really do say actually i want facts i want something serious but there is growing feeling this unease that Companies Tech giants like facebook and google have become so big that theyre now more powerful influential the nation states the National Governments some countries if youre an appointed ambassador i believe to deal specifically with these companies Mark Zuckerberg the facebook c. E. O. Is now rumored to be thinking of running for president in twenty twenty in the u. S. Do you believe that facebook and google have accumulated too much power theyre too big. No no i dont i mean i think a lot of these kinds are things are really overblown i mean people talk about this sort of thing people sometimes forget that apples profit is still slightly higher than facebooks revenues. You know theres a lot of Different Things going on in the world. I think the internet is still a very dynamic place. You know media owners of all kinds of always been quite powerful. If i have to trust the world to. Donald trump or Mark Zuckerberg i know which way im going with no would you vote for Mark Zuckerberg come twenty twenty. Its a good question i might do because i never thought of running for office yourself hope he doesnt run. Not for more than about five seconds it sounds like a horrific sort of way to engage and being in the public eye at all is always slightly weird and awkward wouldnt want to invite that abuse jimmy well thanks for joining me on that front. Great thank you. Nice armor has been dubbed the palestinian garny a prominent human rights activist in the occupied west bank has been recognized by both the e. U. And the u. N. Hes been a tireless advocate for nonviolent resistance you might think he would have been welcomed with open arms by both the palestinian and the Israeli Government but youd be wrong his own Palestinian Authority recently locked him out from most a week over a Facebook Post and now israel is putting on trial in a military court for a series of charges dismissed by International Rights groups as baseless joins me now youre a well known Award Winning palestinian activist and despite your nonviolent activism youve been arrested by israel quote more times than you can count your most recent imprisonment however was by the Palestinian Authority for comments you made on facebook what is the Palestinian Authority cracking down on palestinian human rights activist i fortunately the ability authority bester law called cyber crime middle and it needs the Palestinian People privacy and the Palestinian Peoples freedom of expression. In your thirtys trying to shut off anyone whos criticizing the misconduct of misbehavior of Many Organizations or the many institutions or many leaders that was wrong i think the law was passed without. Real consultation with the Palestinian Civil Society or with the palestinian political leaders i hope that they drop the law as soon as possible so theres no doubt that the main enemy of the palestinians is the Israeli Occupation but in terms of the actual everyday problems facing Palestinian Society today the latest opinion polls palestinian Public Opinion show that the public their ranks things like poverty unemployment corruption above the Israeli Occupation and the settlement activities of problems in everyday life shouldnt rights activists on the ground like yourself be focusing your end. G. s first and foremost therefore in your own government and your own problems at home before tackling the outside problems. I think that madsen in the us and said its clear that we are Authority Without an authority. In is afflicting or what you said they could be seen is affecting the palestinian Unemployment Rate they could be seen as affecting everything but they commission is trying to skip and put us. In the leaders to be corrupt that is it could option is wrong everywhere. In a way or another to give them incentives you know the their way or another they could bishan is giving some leaders we ips the emcees businessman card so they commissioned is the mean source of opposition and the more the main source of corruption and even you know crack down on the blood of your Liberation Force the policy authority to arrest you. In hour another no but you know its connected ok well lets turn to israel and the occupation youre a prominent advocate for nonviolent protest how effective has nonviolent protests been in the occupied territories do you think from your own experiences. But things have a long experience with the nonviolence resistance and i think the civil disobedience is the only middle to end they could be in these days in israel is afraid of that we in the ground we managed to do a lot to us that fastness in front of the israelis. In justice we do a lot of protesting we managed to in a way or another to highlight the. Policies that discrimination in west bank and. Jerusalem this is what how we can manage to stop that sentiment expansion and stop all the attacks on the policy of people and what you say to israelis who see you talking nonviolence in this very eloquent way but then see other palestinians advocating violence they witnessed this socalled stumbling into father with an israeli family for example stabbed to death during dinner thirteen year old israeli girl stabbed to death while she slept in a bedroom in fact the israeli savior of the one hundred eighty four stabbing attacks and One Hundred Twenty Nine attempted stabbings against israeli since twenty fifteen do you see that disconnect in the contrary the majority of the Palestinian Resistance is a nonviolent resistance and we all saw how the Palestinian Movement lies their movement against metal detectors outside a mosque in jerusalem thousands and thousands of palestinians were praying in the streets and they practiced. Nonviolence resistance at it is according to the international consensus. Lets say sometimes they have individual act and i think the majority of the children were killed out of law and its extrajudicial executions how the soldiers killed about us. Fifteen years old but as the young girl or boy know what is. Trending in the Israeli Occupying forces i must really see you speaking about nonviolence i also wonder what does this guy condemn all of the stabbing attacks that weve seen happen many stabbing attacks you can deny it and do you condemn those attacks for sure i am against any kind of violence and they condemn them for many reasons we should highlight a cube asian we should hide i like about attire discrimination and highlight the Palestinian Community resistance against a cubit is it true that you talk down one Young Palestinian who was planning an attack of this man i convinced him to use nonviolence resistance and to work against a commission for a long term i dont want him to do one act then he loses his life that is very wrong we should protect our children from the israeli operation and from the israeli fanatic and extreme soldiers who kill fifteen years old child for having a knife and sometimes without and i favor and many people will listen to you and say fine but palestinians do have a legal right to resist violently its guaranteed under International Law youre up against a violent Occupying Army you yourself have been beaten assaulted by israeli troops surely you can understand why so many of your fellow palestinians over the years who have been assaulted shot are imprisoned had their houses demolished lived on the illegal occupation for fifty years might want to fight back and not just have a peaceful city not just do civil disobedience no ones justifying any attacks on civilians of course but if a palestinian under occupation wants to fight back against an israeli soldier illegally occupying their land whats wrong with that in your view its not about what is wrong its not about resistance nonviolence resistance you know in the contrary its. In the distance is allowed according to the International Law to resist. But its about tactics and what is possible and what you when you will when what i see as practiced by the resistance and and the. The first intifada and it went very well and we were achieving a lot and we all submitted in that resistance to the second intifada because i didnt hide how we defined by suicide terror attacks in the eyes of the west and we lost a lot from that intifada and the price was very very high so its about tactics and strategies and use what type of resistance. Make you stronger and nowadays we are completely seized we we are living in almost a big jail in the west bank so none violence as a tactic now is the biggest tool to end they could issue to be clear youre not objecting to the moral or legal right of palestinians to fight back youre saying from a pragmatic point of view it doesnt work this way is a better way in terms that let this is a better way and this is something we can use and when with it now i think civil disobedience will make the course of the. How we can make the course of the Commission Higher we can make it through the hour of nonviolence tactics and our nonviolent methodology after numerous arrests youre currently facing a military trial in israel on charges that the u. N. Believed to be unjustified which was denounced by Amnesty International martyrs as baseless politically motivated youve also been beaten by Israeli Soldiers harassed by Israeli Settlers outside your home right wing some right wing zionist websites of even suggest you should be executed for your crimes against israel socalled do you worry that if youre convicted and sent to prison and just for the sake of our International Audience the Israeli Military court system has Something Like a one nine hundred ninety nine percent conviction rate. Do you worry that if you are convicted as looks likely it will discourage other palestinians from adopting the nonviolent approach that you have. Out first of all its not its not court the military courts its a show its a military judge accepts what the military investigator ask him to do so the military courts are exist to stinton they could patient and prolong they could patient and attack anyone who visits they could be. So i dont think that i will get fired or it will be justice in that court and the conviction rate is the best it is a gamble of. The country scape from the military court as a lawyer because why turn up for the trial even though youre going to be can i hold that you know that the palestinians will have a consensus among the most in society to boycott the Israeli Military court but i come to me alone you know to do that and i want to advocate how israel is attacking but even you know we call a court if they send you to prison you can boycott are you willing to go to prison i can i will go to prison and i will not go to the court and i will diffuse to go to court but they will take me to prison and they can. Take me against my will to the court i know many palestinian individual did that but the double their sentence or it till now its not. Youre saying it very casually almost you sitting here right now in the studio outside of the west bank outside of israel a free man effectively in the sense you can walk out of here any time you like but youre saying normally go back im going to take part in this show trial im going to go to prison and youre fine with that im not i know you i mean you get into our minds im not fond of that i dont want to go to prison and i dont think we have any palestinian wants to go to prison in the country we want freedom and we want justice but its part of my struggle but part of my struggle to teach the International Community who is asking us day and night to do nonviolence resistance tell them who is the accusation how they attack you might as offenders how they take me to trial with eighteen military charges and at the end of the day they will take me to jail for a few years for practicing only nonviolent resistance i want to give out a message that its not a democracy its a country which the center respect. Any kind of International Treaties doesnt respect human rights defenders or any. As youre going to present for the message to be heard that there is right or change without a price. And you know and sacrifice you know a lot of israelis have said over the years where is the palestinian gunday partly as a way of deflecting International Criticism of their occupation they say with the dont talk theyre all theyre all violent theyre all hamas theyre all suicide bombers thats the claim from the israelis theres no theres no palestinian gun that youve been dubbed the Palestinian Ghandi youre a nonviolent terrorist to think thats why youre being targeted by the israelis because the israelis dont want an actual Palestinian Gandhi who they have to sit down and talk to one of the general of general said to the media that they cant play gandhi you know they they cant go and fight candy and this is why they attack me as a palestinian nonviolence activist and this is why they attack many palestinians you want as offenders and nonviolence activists all over palestine and im not the only one who always attack me but i have more opportunities to speak about what is happening to me but i have friend of mine who is a human rights lawyer and we are both in the same trial i have many other friends who are aware in jail for practicing nonviolence is the way it is trying to prevent any revolution anyone who will go and become the in the Palestinian Land they dont want the International Community to see that but of the ins are using nonviolent resistance to use the same excuses of of security because everything for israels security. They are a few buyers and they have a tight system and they have discrimination so we are taking of the security excuse from them when you use nonviolence to distance. Thanks for joining us from thank you very much thats our show up from will be back next week. With bureaus spawning Six Continents across the globe. Aljazeera has correspondents. The stories they tell. About. Food in world news in recent years the sawhill of north africa has witnessed the socalled wool altera. But is this official narrative. Of battle. A battle for the earths natural resources. Shadow war in the sahara at this time on how much is zero. Zero where ever you. Like a book or is it a listen when theyre on line in hurricane winds for almost like thirty six hours these are the things that has to address or if you join us on set im a member of the ku klux but we struck up a relationship this is a dialogue tweet us with hostile a. J. Stream and one of your pitches might make the next. At this time on aljazeera. 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