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As long as they had enough common sense for such not to strike targets, because they understand that there would be inevitable retribution, but look at, if you like, the political confusion in washington, if you look at this bloody clown president of ukraine zelsky, if someone tells me that you can rely to the common sense of these people, i will say that it seems to me that this is a little naive, because of this. It seems to me that if you want to avoid a terrible escalation, and a terrible escalation, this is when we talk about Strategic Nuclear weapons about their application, that if you want to avoid this, then it is very advisable, not because of emotions, because of cold calculation , to demonstrate to the United States and American Allies that a unilateral endless escalation against russia is unacceptable and that russia has the military capabilities and the political readiness to do everything necessary, where do you disagree with me . And i think that this understanding exists in the west, the question is whether it needs to be demonstrated on the battlefield, as they say, that is, to use tactical or some other Nuclear Weapon on the battlefield, or this should not be done, this is very, im not saying. When when when the collective west increasingly strikes directly at russia, and russia responds with strikes at ukraine, and the damage to ukraine, but frankly speaking, this is not what impresses washington or brussels the most. You know, i think we could talk about this for a long time, but i would suggest limiting it now. This is what Vladimir Putin said, that today there is no reason to lower the threshold for application Nuclear Weapons, this concerns Nuclear Weapons, now as for conventional weapons, and we understand perfectly well, yes, that if we use nonNuclear Weapons against nato countries, then we will move to a completely different level of crisis. With all that you talked about, this will be a completely different level of crisis, completely different, and i just think that this could be a prologue to a nuclear war, so here i am again, i understand that emotions prevail in these issues , but i would once again suggest here, by the way, to Pay Attention to how putin answered these questions with composure, i suggested that we take the possibility and danger of expanding the conflict very seriously. Yes, because in the west there are, a lot of people, there is such an american expression happy, that is, those who simply call to pull the trigger, you know, to finally punish russia to show power, there and so on and so on, i dont i think that we will get closer to resolving this crisis if a fullfledged, fullscale war between russia and nato begins with the use of regular nato armed forces, well again alexey. I am in no way in favor of a fullscale war with nato, on the contrary, i am categorically against it, but in order to avoid it, nato must stop the onesided, endless escalation, smiling, nato, or not smiling, but responding with blows to ukraine, natos escalation, becoming very difficult, because these people, they convinced themselves that for them to win in ukraine is a matter of, if you like, crusaders, and for them , indeed, you are right, from the point of view of objective national interests, not much depends on ukraine , but when they crusaders, to a large extent, the meaning of their existence is to force others to obey their. Missionary will, they somehow need to be stopped, and alexey, this is not emotions, this is calculation, this is knowledge of history, this is an understanding of the nature of the enemy , i do not believe that a blow to the nato countries in any form, given the current hysterical state of the western elites, will force them to turn to reason, i believe that this will have the exact opposite effect, but if something symmetrical happened in relation to the western structures, would you consider this unacceptable because it would lead to escalation, or would you say that if one country allows it, then another country should not only allow it, but to the best of its ability, should very seriously consider the specific possibilities of such kind of response to stop the process of unilateral escalation. No, well, you see, a blow to a technological structure that is located outside the territory of the state is a completely different story, the question is that the answer is applied in the right place at the right time, as they say, so these are different things, we agreed, if i understood correctly, that here it is necessary to show as much as possible. Russia, that russia will not do this against them, that there should not be such immunity, and not just out of a sense of justice, but because otherwise the appetites come while eating, they will do more and more against russia. I absolutely agree here. By the way, i have always called for what we should. To do this in relation to the European Union for agriculture economy, during this time, by the way, we established our own agricultural production, and now our agriculture, and not western agriculture, feeds the whole of russia, this is a very important point, i believe that there is no need to adhere to the position, lets substitute another one or not we will not respond in any way. We are above this, this is categorically wrong in politics, in politics a strike must be followed by a counterstrike, the sanctions policy on our part, i believe, was completely justified and perhaps we did not even choose all the options when it was Still Necessary to do, here, but there are strikes and there are strikes, yes, there are strikes on cities targeting the population , this is me categorically, this is me categorically, so on, yes, but there are sanctions actions, strikes on infrastructure, for example, which are retaliatory, yes . So everything needs to be weighed here, but i think that, by the way, i think that nato does not feel completely safe, they are just afraid of Russian Nuclear potential, and you remember bidens reaction to the Ukrainian Missile that hit polish territory, when the poles called out to article 4 of nato, they demanded consultation because allegedly a Russian Missile flew into polish territory and killed one polish citizen, and biden then asked what will you do in response, it was a Russian Missile, he said this has not been proven, then he was told, zelsky said so, he said, this is not proof , that is, the United States immediately stated that they do not consider this case as a belli incident, by the way, in this case the administration was right, it was a Ukrainian Missile and poland immediately backed down the next day, president duda, who, of course, does not focus on his voters, on washington, said that no. No, no, well figure it out, but this is so to speak, no, it wasnt a Russian Missile, immediately followed the United States, why did biden say so, out of love for russia, but no, of course, biden said so because he is afraid of an episode of this kind that will put the situation on the brink, when he has to choose whether to strike, what is called russian cities receiving blows to their own, or not to do it, this fear that you are talking about, it acts, it is, it is, it was recently. According to nato, another missile, they even say it was most likely russian, which fell into romanian territory, yes, and it impressed enough. The Biden Administration to make Emergency Contact with russian officials on a very serious level. This is me confirming what you said, but i hope you will agree with me that the feeling of being illicit on the part of nato, which is not allowed in relation to russia, that this feeling, that it has changed over the past 18 months, and that it seems to them now that they can afford , without serious punishment, those steps that previously seemed unacceptable to them, you do not have that impression , i have a feeling that there is an escalation, that they are allowing themselves more and more, yes, i really have such a feeling, the question is how to respond to this, with the most convincing answer, for today, it leads to the fact that enthusiasm drops support for ukraine, the degree is decreasing, yes, the americans can install f16, yes, i dont think that this will fundamentally change anything if Russia Strikes at the territory. Well, not even nuclear conventional weapons, but nato countries are in order, so to speak, the answer, this immediately covers the failure of the counteroffensive, this other one is absolutely right about this question, that is, there are some experts who make some frightening statements about this, but this is in no way a russian practice and is in no way official, absolutely true, look, here is the fact that despite all this western support, the front does not collapse, ukraine does not achieve its goal, the huge amount of money that is pumped into ukraine goes into a bottomless well, this fact has a much greater impact on the prospect of resolving this conflict than some threats that may come from our side, and which are dangerous, because what, what if you carry out. This threat, you move to another level, so to speak, of confrontation, and if you dont carry it out, then it turns out, that you threatened in vain, that you yourself are afraid, i dont believe in rhetorical threats in relations with the west, and president putin spoke today about how russia has not been heard at all and is not being heard, if something makes an impression, then these are concrete actions, absolutely right, but what actions . This, of course, is not a question that we should decide at this table, this should be decided by the supreme commanderinchief , who, it seemed to me, today has therefore a sense of realism, and of course, today there was a very important speech, but there were others, too, here at one a few months ago , when it was a question of how russia would respond to calls from the young west to actually take the Russian Nuclear arsenal out of the brackets and thus to unilateral disarmament so that they would be calmer in the collective west, president russia said to hell with them, i know this for sure, because i asked him a question, to which he answered like that. i remember it was in st. Petersburg at the peitele Economic Forum and his answer was also quite, not quite. Unemotional, and when he said today about the possibility of withdrawing from the treaty banning certain tests, then it also seems to me that he said it not by chance, no, he is generally in this area, especially rarely says anything by chance, he wanted to emphasize that guys, know where to stop, because we have there remains a spectrum of very different possibilities. This is a serious warning indeed, because this treaty is the only thing left of the system of treaties in the field of Nuclear Weapons, the only one, and the west is very interested in this treaty, because after all, candidates for obtaining Nuclear Weapons is a lot, so if russia withdraws from this treaty, then the system of control over Nuclear Tests collapses, and even there the status of north korea, which is accused of secretly conducting them, changes completely, and the status of iran changes there, then this is far from a shock of air, not a shock of air, it will lead to a change in the entire nuclear map of the world, so i dont think that Vladimir Putin wants to change the nuclear map of the world, but he doesnt seem to have tried at all, he tells the west that such such a danger the possibility, he has such a trump card, in the event that, as you quite rightly say, if the west believes that it can continue to act the way it is currently acting, so this is a serious warning for both europe and the United States, i think it will be heard, i think it will be heard, you know, alexey, in the past you interviewed me much more often than i interviewed you, it happened, and we usually. Usually argued with you, at the end of the conversation , as a rule , it was always discovered that maybe we started, if you like, from different ends, but in general we came to a very close starting point, and this seems to me to be the best argument that you can imagine, thank you very much, thank you, thank you for taking the time, and indeed, your call for reasonable restraint. It seems to me very constructive, unless, of course, another country forces you to follow this path. I would like to add reasonable restraining restraint. This is a new formulation for me, in my opinion, absolutely beautiful. Alexey konstantinovich, thank you very much, were going out to advertise, well be back in just a few minutes. For special occasions, we present the elegant sirin dress. I want to know who is involved in this fashionable shithole. What do you need . Nothing, excuse me, youre probably a confirmed bachelor . Lets talk without further ado. Christina is smart. 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Famous american economists and not only american ones, he has very Great Authority in the world, today he joins us via skype from hong kong, jeffrey, welcome to you, thank you very much for taking the time, this is a great pleasure for me, thank you, jeffrey, when we look at the situation in the world, in many ways this situation is unfortunately , today, at least it seems to me, this situation is determined by the course of the war in ukraine, we know what is happening in fronts ukraine, in general, the Russian Military command is satisfied with the results, maybe even more than satisfied , when i look at the press in the United States, in general it is also widely recognized that the socalled ukrainian counteroffensive failed. But nevertheless, it seems to me that in the United States and in the west in general there is an opinion that with regard to the socalled soft power, the United States still manages, if you like, to maintain and even strengthen its leading position in the world, is this true . . To me it seems that the American Leadership and the european leadership suffered , one might say, a major defeat, so now the situation is not very pleasant, it seems to me that in the usa and in europe no one can be satisfied with the current state of affairs. The Current Situation in ukraine is a disaster. And it seems to me that the United States themselves brought ukraine into this catastrophic situation. You and i know very well what Henry Kissinger said at one time. That it is dangerous to be an enemy of the United States, but to be a friend for the United States this is simply deadly; unfortunately, for ukraine it is truly a real disaster. And the Political Class in the United States not only made a colossal mistake, but now they do not know how to get out of this situation. Thats whats interesting when you talk to an official. Persons in moscow, they note that there are contacts at a very high level between moscow and washington, so it is inaccurate, but they also say that there is no interest in washington in the white house to discuss the most important thing, that is, they are ready talk about karabakh, about how to avoid some kind of Russian Missile flying into, say, the territory of romania, we are not naturally a member of nato, to avoid some unnecessary and unplanned incidents, how to do something, well, if you want, in order to bring the situation with the two embassies under control, which is very sad and neither one nor the other, in general, manages to work normally, this is what it is, so that washington will show interest in a broad settlement of the situation with ukraine, and even more so, even more in detail, in in some kind of cessation of the global conflict that the collective west began, the american administration, as they say in moscow, has not shown such interest, from your point of view, such interest in washington has really been for years, or in moscow it is simply not fully understood. No, you know, we found ourselves in the situation that clausewitz once described, that war is the continuation of politics by other means. What is happening now is a situation where the policy did not work, the policy did not give results and political. Completely the entire congress, the Political Class does not understand the current political situation in which they find themselves, they had one idea, the wrong one, this is unipolarity, american dominance and this is a very bad idea, this is an anachronism, this has never been like this, recently, this is absolutely outdated the idea is very irresponsible, and what to do next, they dont know how to get out of this situation, they dont know, they are used to the fact that america should dominate everything, thats why they dont know how talk to others, how to listen to someone , how to negotiate, this war in ukraine could have been avoided, there were all the possibilities for this, it was only necessary for the United States to listen to russian concerns, which were quite reasonable. It was necessary to negotiate, yes, of course, these would be difficult negotiations, there are different interests, but it would still be possible to listen to others, then this war could be avoided, back in december of twentyone, president putin clearly said, he proposed project security agreements between the United States and russia, i personally think that it was quite possible to take this proposal as a basis for it is clear that the americans would not have completely agreed, but there were a lot of sensible points, it was definitely possible to negotiate around this, but the americans refused to do this, and it was a failure, a failure of american policy, the Political Class in washington does not understand, does not understand what is happening now, because these people live in outdated ideas about the world. Which they formed in december of ninetyone, when the soviet union collapsed, and the United States remained the only superpower in the world, which had no equal, no rivals in the world, and this is a terrible mistake, i will ask you a question to which i myself do not have an answer, i hope you do, in moscow looks at the International Economic situation and understands that the situation for russia is quite complicated. But in general, most of russia lives normally, and when they look at the Economic Situation of the United States at the american, economic positions in world, then in moscow the impression is that, in general, the United States is in this. A lot of things dont work out, two questions, first, is this impression in moscow correct . Second, if it is correct, then to what extent. And American Economic difficulties are associated with the confrontation over ukraine. Well, i would probably say that europe is suffering the most from the war now, because the breakdown in economic relations between russia and europe hit europe first of all. On the main european economy, i mean naturally germany. The german and russian economies were very closely connected; they complemented each other. Russia supplied germany with cheap gas and energy. And germany, thanks to this , provided its heavy industry with cheap fuel and cheap raw materials. Now the germans have lost it. And naturally. This has hit the economy very hard, and we see that the level of investment in germany is also declining. Therefore, we can say that europe is now paying the biggest price. For the United States, the consequences of this war are not so strong. It is clear that it will not be good for anyone now , with the possible exception of the military industry and some gas exporters to the United States. Basically this is bad for everyone, so the American People do not approve of American Foreign policy, do not support ukraine, all this reflects the fact that in general, the situation in the American Economy certainly does not look very optimistic, i would not say that this crisis arose directly because of the crisis, in principle, this crisis. Because the system is quite corrupt, it serves the interests of some specific people, this is a small group of people, it does not meet the interests of society as a whole, so the situation is certainly not catastrophic, not as difficult as in europe, but overall yes, negative, all this happened as a result of the american approach, tough policies. China is another component of American Foreign policy, which primarily affects the United States itself, the American Economy. Therefore, i believe that the country is now poorly governed, the Political Class has a poor understanding of economic issues, and what they are doing is does not meet the interests of the common man, the common american, and naturally, the leadership does not listen to the Common People in america. And when it comes to the economy, and when it comes to the war in ukraine, decisions are made at the elite level , by a small group of people, president byren , in fact, is unable to look at things from a broader perspective , i dont know what this is due to, perhaps his age, perhaps he is constantly afraid of some kind of attack from the right flank, but this is no longer so important, and now the main thing would be to stop therefore, the main danger for biden is not an attack from the right, frankly speaking, but the main thing is that the American Leadership is now incapable of pursuing effective policies, chaos reigns, an elderly president is in power, and this has been going on for 30 years, the policy of unipolarity has failed, the United States is stuck. Went to a dead end and there is no way out in sight, but i dont see any of the politicians saying that we are moving in the wrong direction, thats what many people in russia do not understand, and not only in russia it is not clear, you said that the average american faces serious economic difficulties, elections are coming up in america, and you say that those who really control america, that in general they are very little interested in how the average american looks at it, how can this be explained on the eve of serious elections . You know. And it seems to me that the opposition, be it President Trump or someone else, they will certainly try to take advantage of this discontent during the elections, then they certainly need to change their policy now, but i would like to say more broadly, there is a more general problem with the american political system, because contributions are made, billions of dollars are made for Election Campaigns. And the election cycle in the usa, this is about 15 billion dollars , which is spent on the needs of the Election Campaign , where this money comes from, this money is given naturally by the rich, large companies, and accordingly, all this is used for the benefit of either rich people or some large corporations, what is their interest . And the main interest is naturally tax reduction. What else . These are militaryindustrial lobbies, some special privileges for wall street, and so on. This is how the american political system works. And all this has greatly affected its effectiveness in recent decades. In politics lately, everything is decided by money, absolutely everything. And because of this, lets say the Us Supreme Court has made a number of very bad decisions in recent years, removing restrictions on campaign donations, so now its all turned into one machine rich people give money to Election Campaigns , so that later the politicians who are elected will ensure. The last question, in moscow , it seems to me, there are two points of view regarding the significance of the american president ial elections for russia, one point of view is that it cannot be worse than biden, that trump, with all its limitations, he says some more constructive things from russias point of view, offers, or rather promises to resolve the crisis in ukraine, and that russia, naturally, does not need to interfere in the american elections, this could be counterproductive, but somewhere in in general more there is a widespread preference in peoples minds for trump. Another point of view is that for russia none of this matters much. No matter what trump says, he will still either not want to, when he is elected, or will not be able, as during his first term, to significantly change American Foreign policy to reduce the influence of neoconservatives, what is your opinion . Personally , it seems to me that the outcome of this conflict will not depend on the United States. Personally, it seems to me that everything will depend on the situation that is developing in the world today. To the United States or else you will have to come to the realization that, firstly, it is impossible to defeat russia on the battlefield. On the contrary, everything is leading to the fact that ukraine is now bleeding. And this realization, unfortunately, is very, very slowly reaching the American Leadership. Because in america propaganda works in such a way that no one sees the real situation on the battlefield today, but this awareness will sooner or later come to people, secondly, it is clear that the world today does not support the us policy of expanding nato, the us position regarding this war and so on, vice versa, the world as a whole says that it is necessary to end this war, it is necessary to ensure peace, taking into account the interests of all parties, that is the truth, again i say, this awareness will gradually come, maybe not immediately, maybe over time, maybe lets say its too late, unfortunately, for many ukrainians, because ukraine was dragged into all this horror, but this awareness is mandatory, sooner or later. Therefore, i hope that i hope that the russian leadership. About what is needed to end this conflict, end it peacefully and reach an agreement about something, i myself formulated that could be taken as the basis for such agreements, i wrote that the United States and nato, first of all nato, must clearly state that there will be no expansion of nato, that ukraine will not become a member of nato, between the usa, russia and ukraine about changing borders, it is necessary to clearly stipulate and clearly sign what is happening with the borders, and this should be enshrined at the level of the security council, without this it will be quite difficult to make peace. Third sanctions, this needs to end. But because the situation is now the world is abnormal, and there should not be such a thing that we maintain some strict restrictions, and maybe someone will consider me a dreamer, but i believe that this is all real, and fourth, if possible, i would like to add one more moment, the United States and russia should resume negotiations on Nuclear Weapons, because the United States unilaterally withdrew from the Nuclear Weapons treaty in 2002, then unilaterally withdrew from the inf treaty in 1919, russia suspended the implementation of start3 in response to all this is why negotiations on Nuclear Weapons need to be resumed, this is in the interests of the whole world, including. Us and russia, so i believe there is room for negotiations for peace. I dont think that russia should now look at the us elections and base everything on the outcome of these elections. Thats not the point. The point is how do we change this terrible situation, through meaningful negotiations, in a way that is in the interests of everyone, ukraine, europe, the United States and russia, and i believe that such agreements are possible, and i believe that ukraine is now being destroyed, destroyed because of the policies that have been pursued by the neoconservatives and the American Leadership for 30 years. This is a disaster, and not the first disaster they have caused. Jeffrey, thank you so much for your wise thoughts. Thank you for taking the time, you are talking about very serious things that could be achieved at the negotiating table. You know, as well as i do, of course, that the devil is in the details, and that achieving the result that you want and which. We all strive for would be very its not easy, so far, unfortunately, a lot depends on what happens, whats happening on the battlefield, but listening to you carefully, i can say only two specific things the first categorical position of russia, that russia is open to negotiations, that those who say in washington, that russia does not want negotiations, they are either mistaken or deliberately misleading, that russia is ready for negotiations without any preconditions, what can be agreed upon, this is another more verbal question, to start talking, all that is required is readiness ukraine, and of course, most importantly, its western sponsors. Jeffrey, thank you so much again, it was a great game, see you next week on the air. A believer. Yes, he built churches, a church cannot be built by an unbeliever, who is he, the tsar s architect or is he stalins favorite, the average salary in moscow was around 600, he received 10,000 rubles. 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Film challenge, so today we have gathered here to talk, discuss, remember how it all was, how it all began, anton, and we launched from baikanur on october 5, while our crew, this is me, yulia and you, we launched on a rocket soyuz, at that time oleg and pyotr dubrov were already on the iss, yes, thats what happened, tell me, we ordinary cosmonauts are seated in a rocket in 2 hours, you were with us, the people in our crew, well, it took 2. 5 hours , so you remember what you did 2. 5 hours, this was due to the fact that i, as i found out, was then the tallest participant in the space flight who flew on the union ships, they just wanted me to suffer longer, due to the fact that i was extremely uncomfortable due to my height to be there, i think it was connected with this, that they just wanted me to experience this discomfort longer, so to speak, and what were you thinking at that moment . I was mainly thinking about how i would start filming, how it would all be, how we would fly, my head was full of this, i can say so, probably due to this, i abstracted myself from all this nervousness, some kind of fuss, emotions associated with the start, which intensified , especially on the day, on the day of the start, due to the fact that here, just everyone, relatives and friends came to baikanur , all of this was extremely emotional, we wrote down the wishes of our friends, loved ones, some kind of farewell words that we, farewell, it all sounded like farewell words, there was a feeling that we were following, we will return in 3 years, it will already pass on earth 15 years, and accordingly, well, how would we bring back a completely different world, so it was all extremely touching, emotional, even on the way to the rocket on the bus, so there were a lot of emotions and my only way was to somehow abstract from this a little, to still immerse myself at least in the mental process of filming, i kept thinking, well, now its good, well take off, now its like a camera there, ill take it out, ill film it, how it will all work, well, there were some mostly related thoughts with this, of course, i didnt have as many tasks as you did directly at the start, i just, it seems to me, performed three or five or four functions there, in the sense of switching something, discovering what needed to be done, then you do it yourself, or kick me, or kick me, tell me, cream, so lets open these valves, that is, i wasnt even afraid, no, i wasnt afraid, because well , listen, no, no, well, first of all, first of all, its not that there wasnt even time, i still i knew that you were nearby and you would cover these functions, here are the shooting functions, how i will shoot, we can watch just the moment the launch of our rocket. The first and second stage engines operate normally. The design parameters of the launch vehicle are normal. Stabilization of the product is stable. Stabilization is stable. What are you feeling now, i remember. There, yes, well, i, yes, i remember it all very well , listen, well, you see, its all shown like that, its like that , everyone was looking at it, but we didnt see it all, we were sitting. Where the windows had not yet opened, that is, we werent able to look out the window like that, so for me it was, in principle, similar sensations as we we sat in the simulators and worked it all out, but the overload just started, the vibration started and all that, so basically there was some kind of epic feeling of this and the power of this start that you feel when you watch this, then . I cant say that i had it, for me its more like when i look at this, im like wow, wow, it was so huge, everyone looked at everything so beautifully, it turns out it was, yes, but when the fairing came off, did you see anything . Yes, im just i, as a commander, cant see how you can see a commander, maybe you can understand the mirror a little, as soon as i opened the fairing, yes, i flew off, which means i looked out the window, of course, i already saw the ball, there were already roundness, and this has already become interesting, i thought, so i can start filming, i started almost immediately, yes, almost yes, through well, that is, in the film we see those first frames that you shot with this small handheld camera, yes, it was a camera quite professional, very good quality, but it was smaller than a movie camera, it was right after we reached weightlessness, we quickly took it out in parts, i screwed it together, assembled it, checked everything, everything worked and we started filming, i filmed right down to the joints , yes, i remember you, yuli i also said look there no your gaze there freeze no there leftright dont bother me you told me dont bother me yes i would have already tried to already try to carry out some directorial activities, but in many ways i tried because the camera was already in weightlessness began to live her own life when she let go, i was still trying to feel what it was like, because its not like this on earth. It was so impossible for us to test and work out our flights for weightlessness, its only 25 seconds there, you dont really have time to get used to it, and i started to get used to it to this feeling of weightlessness and directly the camera, i remember it was flying back and forth, even it flew to yulia and back to me, well, that is, i started playing with it, that is, you were filming until a certain moment, well, i was filming right up to the docking until i sat down battery, well, how did you feel . You were generally nervous because i dont remember asking you about this. Well, how would you like, in my opinion, it was already the first time that i flew with two unprofessional flights , they even specially retrofitted the ship a little, that is, i got another remote control, these are the buttons, lets say, that are controlled by an ordinary Flight Engineer on the spot, which you were sitting, i had to control it, but i think it was made precisely for this purpose, so that if something suddenly goes wrong, i wont have time to explain to you which button press, which cap to open, where to switch, i had to do it myself. Well, you werent nervous, or you were a little nervous, now you can admit, no, i wasnt nervous at all at that moment, well, not nervousness, i think nervousness and responsibility appeared when our Automation System failed, when the main one failed, im even sure i remember now that i thought, as if on a simulator , that the backup will now turn on, well, such a technique, and well get there calmly, well, these are the words of the head of the second soup, who anton said, we are leaving the communication zone, if this one fails. Namely the second set , and the spare one, you take everything manually and dock yourself, in general, in theory, when such a docking occurs, well, with welding signals, i have to stop the ship, move away to a safe place and continue to hang near the station and wait for the earths command, when they measure everything , calculate the required angle of the sun there will be , which will illuminate the target so that the earth can see everything, as soon as they decide that everything is fine, then we will go, thats why no it was said, in short, if it refuses, its the second one that has already refused, too, that is, its not the first one that failed, the connection failed and then the second one entered the shadow, no, i remember for sure that both of them had already refused, firstly, because i actually have a photo shoot this is why the accident of the second course, i also filmed this, and after that they only said that now you are entering the shadow, the connection will be lost, dock manually, since i shot the film salyut 7, i know a lot about manual docking, i know that all this is happening there. In connection with the earth and, as it were, the earth it calculates everything, so for me this moment was quite unexpected, yes, that they said so, at that moment i was not so much nervous, i just knew approximately, which means i thought, damn, well, the worst thing is that probably, we can be returned to earth, if anything, well, yes, myself , well, that is, i understood that we would not explode here now and not scatter throughout space, but we had a double feeling, because when we are one refusal passed, then a second refusal, first of all, we. Wanted to evade filming a little, yes, we were happy, we were a little we were delighted, and then we thought that all sorts of tasty bonuses were flying in the household compartment for us, and then we began to think, whats better . You heard everything, you are not at the station, we heard the entire radio exchange, and when these refusals came, we immediately tensed up a little, we understand perfectly well what antons situation is now, that well, roughly speaking, he has no assistants, right, all the actions, why, i knew quite well about manual docking, right, its a pity that they havent given you hands yet, i basically, i knew the principle, so no, hes an assistant was, yulka, in this sense, she volunteered, so to speak, to make calculations, i and i just understood, you dont need to interfere, that was right, i realized that there were no calculations , im talking about faces, the camera, yes, i removed the camera from the camera, i understood , that its better not to touch you, i wont make any calculations, if you tell me to do something, ill do it, but it also bothered me that the connection went out and we went into the shadows, look, were just sitting in the camera, yes, yes, yes, this is just from the camera, i was surprised that we still went into the shadows, then, when you said that i was even more comfortable in the shade, then i exhaled a little. That is, i didnt have any nervousness, yulka and i really looked at each other then, i saw fear in her eyes, but as if in my eyes she was in yours, but i had no fear, i m telling you, i was only thinking , damn, well, it would be a shame not to make it, i now understand that the earth knew that, uh, i dont know, 90 , that we would get through this failure, for some reason they didnt tell me this, but remember on the bike they added training for me , usually we are well over 56 days we stop all these things, and here i sit down with my hands twice before lunch every day, i dont know why, they tell me, well , theres a connection in the schedule, and people still come there and film you, that youre not being funny there, didnt go somewhere, im sitting, well, klim had to take a look, well, its docking, well done, oleg , you were in such a situation, you docked manually, we didnt have a docking, you didnt, thats not what the praise is, redocking was redocking was, at night, not every astronaut dreams of docking manually, because you really control the ship or the redocking, because until this year, i havent redocked, that is, i havent touched these handles. And now i can tell everyone, of course i controlled it, and you touched it, but its true that the station has a backup set, that you can dock a ship from the station, just dont pilot just the truck, that is, you physically couldnt help us in any way, physically no, morally yes, morally we were for you, i say, again there was a double feeling, that is, it seemed like we had to complete the task, on the other hand we before your. Flight there was not a single mistaken action, and when you arrived, as soon as you arrived, there were refusals, i understand, now it will begin in any case, girls, attention, mila nikonorova, our new fashion model, i said she shouldnt get involved with this bohemian, a beautiful woman in a car is less suspicious, and what kind of games are you playing . 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Season premiere, resing the star, on sunday on the first, we continue our space stories podcast, and with me today are the heroes of russia, cosmonauts, oleg navitsky and anton shkaplerov, do you remember the first time we met, well, with yulia, or with klim also at the station, no, i remember it very well, because firstly, we wanted to arrange a normal meeting, like crews meet, that is when the whole crew of the station gathers, you fly in, we hug you, why did they set priorities differently , that is, they will already be filming a film, thats it, we set up cameras somehow, and you flew in one by one, there were practically people there there wasnt, but i was actually somewhere in the fgb, probably already with a face a sick cosmonaut was waiting for you, in short, they explained everything to you incorrectly, wrong, right . Thats because we wanted to get together, as you fly around there, everyone hugs in this module , you know, they meet you with a cold shoulder, they send you a little further, they meet the next person, but here it didnt work out that way, a little bit like confusion, well , a little bit of miscommunication, yes apparently happened, because we really were filming, but this moment was like, well, you remember, we then filmed it again , we filmed it again, well, okay, this we, we are already in the first day, and lets go back to the beginning of it all , this idea, when did you first find out about this idea, from whom and what was your reaction to this person, who probably seemed fantastic at the time . , someone came up with everything, right . Yes, in general, who had the idea, namely, who told you this, for example, to you, oleg, who said it first, i dont remember now, because these conversations about the flight of, lets say, the film crew, they somehow began to circulate for a long time , we didnt seriously attach any importance, because he it was a little funny, guys, what a film crew. That is, to take an actress, a director, and there were different such trends, they tried once there was only one actor, yes, at first there was an actor, they had to train us as a cameraman, then they probably realized that it was useless, they began to look for more. This started when i am exactly 3 years ago , even well, a little more than 3 years ago , actually i received this call from konstantin lvovich eduard ilayan actually Dmitry Olegovich, who invited me and said we have this idea and you when, like, how many years ago, well, probably in the twentieth year , we probably heard, yes, you remember when tom cruise announced that he had agreed with elon musk, he would shoot a film on the iss, that he was buying for two months and literally in a few weeks they started , will fly on a cruddragon, yes, but he will fly to the station, will film there, there were also conversations before the mask that he wanted to fly, and there was a conversation about the union, well, i know this story, that there were also conversations about that it was, we Just Announced it at the same time day, well, with a difference of 10 hours, i dont know, that we will already be there, it was exactly 3 years ago, there, in my opinion, on september 15, if i m not mistaken, a year, well, 3 years ago, the twentieth year, yes im saying, we started doing this about a year ago, after that, or you, well, the first rumor about it spread, yes, we also had different opinions there, that is, some laughed, some didnt god forbid how it will turn out, everything, yes, when you realized that this is serious, we are kind of serious, when the selection went for actresses, i think, no, i think when i was shown a paper that was signed by the president , it was in january , thats when i saw his signature on this paper, on a letter that, the head of roscosmos and channel one, was shown to the president , and he wrote. When the texts had already been distributed and we began to study them, try to advise them, and on weekends, the concept also appeared that this was inevitable, we probably tried to make some changes to the scenario, that this could not happen, such an injury could not be sustained on the iss, you know, feature film, thats what its for artistic, and not documentary, that there may be some percentage of truth in it, but this percentage does not have to be large, well, the element of fiction should be small, it is artistic cinema, it obeys the laws of drama, audience interest, those people who present claims, whether it be doctors, uh, astronauts, i dont know, any other people about whom the film is being made, professionals in their industry , about which, listen, and if lets say, you , well, god forbid, didnt make it, yes, would you entrust the filming to us, say, in some you know, the question here is this, we were talking with, well, that is, there wasnt this second chair, but initially there was one chair, and then really when the script was invented, who came up with it . Well, i came up with it together with Bakur Bakuradze and then we based on the introductory notes that we have, did you come up with it when they said that we had to fly into space to film, or when was it a long time ago you hatched this idea there, i dont know, from school, dont look there, im already by that time, thats why i have a space background mine as it were the cinematic path began with a fireworks display, there was an application, there was an idea then , it was the idea of ​​​​Dmitry Olegovich, and there was even a small, i dont know, synopsis, we call it, but it was not bad, it was just a movie that, it wasnt at all necessary to shoot in space , but i liked the idea of ​​coming up with a film that could only be shot in. It would be clear that why did you have to fly, why, was forced to fly, why, why are you there flew, that is, i proceeded as once it was concluded that lets try in this reality and invent further , so then the idea was born that an ordinary person suddenly receives, much like how i received a call then from konstantin Dmitry Olegovich and eduard ilayan, they said, listen, how do you like this idea , that is, such a similar call, and so. I, we started to further promote this idea and thus it turned into this scenario, there was no second chair then and just then the conversation was going on, listen, well, its not a fact that it it will be possible film if only an actress flies, then it was already roughly understood that it was a doctor , i said that it was unlikely that something could be filmed that would be believed, mind you, no, well, i heard such a phrase if only an actress flies, then it wont be just garbage, it will be some kind of firewood, so the task became to find a person who, in this sense, konstantin, uh , listened to my arguments, heard and knew, he being actually a person from cinema, he knows how films are made and he thus and convinced roscosmos that films cannot be made without the director is nowhere, well, in general, so to speak, russiaspace heard the filmmakers and agreed to ensure that the director flew and actually. Then it already became clear that this would be a fullfledged film that we would try to make, and it had a chance to be like a big movie, who advised you to take a reborn helmet, explain . Its not, its me, its me who came up with it, for one simple reason, i really, i used this layout, when i walked, i walked and knocked my head when i walked with the camera, and i could imagine what would happen, when ill just fly back, look into the lens and there will be situations when no one will be able to back me up from behind, because you will all be, i helped you out, no , i helped you out many times, no, well, i was struggling taking into account the growth of the climate, here you are remembering, as it were, complex shots, but even in simple shots, when you just bump your head, its clear that youre different, thats right, of course, you didnt even have to fly through the hatches to knock, of course, i knocked a lot, and clung to my feet a lot, its good that i have these pants there were training ones that actually leveled out all these scratches, but to shoot in in any case, it was hard, because i remember how lim closed the windows, because this shadowy situation changes very quickly, there is no time for a take, again the noise of the fans is constant, yes, how did you get away from the noise of the fans in the first place, i dont know it anymore, purely technically it was possible to somehow remove it or not, the noise of the fans is the least, that the complexity that actually existed there, well, of course, we didnt think that someday it would be pure sound, pure sound is that, thats it as we sit now, talking, we dont. Well go later to revoice yourself, it will be recorded purely, yes, we wont go, but it was immediately clear that the sound would not be clear, that then there would be dubbing, so i didnt even Pay Attention to the noise of the fans from the point of view of the quality of sound recording, its just important to me it was so that we could then at least hear what we were saying, what you were saying, so that we could revoice it later, but i said in advance about the light, there was no light, there was a story with the light that we tried it on the model, at the station, but it no. Worked out, at your station its very there is a lot of light, namely artificial, and it is constantly, and it is constantly on , that is, in preparation, anton remembers, we went through all these modules and understood which, what light we would turn off, because cinema, cinema is when for you, well, of course, its a play of light, its the atmosphere, the atmosphere in a movie is everything, but when you have brightly turned on lights everywhere, then theres no atmosphere, you need it for work, to see everything, in a movie you need some kind of mysterious. All that, so if you remember, i turned off 80 of the lights just in all of these, like such darkness, it was impossible to prepare for the portholes, for the light from the portholes, so always when we discussed this light from the portholes during preparation on the ground, it was always like, well, as a last resort, just close them and take them off, but with skillful lighting, in the end we covered them very little, because somehow i figured out how to integrate this light from the portholes into the scene, in the end it worked, although, well, remember, the light had to wait when i said that well listen, lets just wait for the light and then continue filming , that is, this was the case, thats why no, these are all the difficulties that i understood that they would be, well, given the situation on the spot, we coped, well, you felt sorry for the camera to leave, it was a pity to leave the cameras, it was a very pity, my beloved, so i am mine, i said for a long time, let me at least put it on my knees, at least unfortunately, the astronauts who are there now shoot so little with it, although it is the most powerful, coolest instrument, i think maybe it will wait for some next one, continuation of the film, yes, then yes , there will be no need to drag it out, everything is already there, everything will be there, yes, where is your place on the world stage, above everyone else. 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